..... been replaced with this?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 1 | October 24, 2019 4:50 PM |
One day you're in, the next day you're OUT!
| by Anonymous | reply 2 | October 24, 2019 4:57 PM |
I don't really see anything new in the Celine designs. They look like reworks of 60s and 80s fashion. *yawn* The models are hideous. The Ferre designs in the first video are lovely.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | October 24, 2019 5:00 PM |
Celine is owned by LVMH and really has no reason to be a brand. It was really about leather anyway. Hedi Slimane is a good designer and has already done stints at other heritage brands - Dior and YSL. If LVMH had balls they would fold some of these and put their money behind living talents. People are cows around the world and believe in French fashion brands.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | October 24, 2019 5:04 PM |
The average person doesn't understand REAL fashion. He or she thinks it's wonky and unflattering.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 6 | October 24, 2019 5:09 PM |
I’m in London now and all I see are sneakers/trainers everywhere on women. With pretty dresses and business suits and leggings. They also wear those hideous platform orthopaedic ones which makes them look like they have a deformity. Also the recent jeans are hideous. Nothing seems very feminine anymore.
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | October 24, 2019 5:14 PM |
Well that design is crazy enough to be fun, R8. In the Celine video, it seems the outfits on the women have to be ugly and trashy looking to be considered cutting edge.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | October 24, 2019 5:22 PM |
Who gives a fuck about women's fashion?
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | October 24, 2019 5:34 PM |
Any self respecting queen, R10.
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | October 24, 2019 5:36 PM |
How did 50's Pathé get away with this?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 12 | October 24, 2019 5:48 PM |
I think r12's video proves that all models should smoke on the runway.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | October 24, 2019 5:52 PM |
Love the tiny, drab "showroom", R12. Surely the film was made as a joke. Made me laugh.
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | October 24, 2019 5:57 PM |
The models play a big part in how the clothing in both videos is received. The models in the second video (from their looks to their walk) are just tragic. They look juvenile, malnourished, and unsure of themselves. They move some nervous first grader performing in a talent show.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | October 24, 2019 5:58 PM |
The first model in leopard bikini is padded?
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | October 24, 2019 5:59 PM |
The models play a big part in how the clothing in both videos is received. The models in the second video (from their looks to their walk) are just tragic. They look juvenile, malnourished, and unsure of themselves. They move like some nervous first-grader performing in a talent show.
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | October 24, 2019 5:59 PM |
I do have to admit that many of the fashions in the Dior show are too grown up for a girl from a rich family who is under 25.
Often fashion shows are meant to create an image for the house so they can sell more perfume and accessories, where the real money is made. They're not about selling a lot of clothes. Celine seems to be trying for young and edgy. You can't be safe and middle of the road and get attention from the fashion press. I wonder how many of those outfits actually sell.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | October 25, 2019 12:18 AM |
Not everyone can be as elegant as Lisa Falcone.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 19 | October 25, 2019 12:24 AM |
"Often fashion shows are meant to create an image for the house so they can sell more perfume and accessories, where the real money is made."
That's the problem, the clothes seen at the top runway shows aren't actually meant to be worn. They're meant to get press, which will sell the perfumes and accessories that keep the high-end fashion houses running. It's only the mid-level and low-level companies that make stuff that people actually wear, and the fashion press ignores them and plays along with the perfume-selling thing.
That's the economics of the modern fashion industry.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | October 25, 2019 12:39 AM |
Ready-To-Wear fashion shows are glorified catalog wear presentations.
It's the avant-garde show stoppers that get the eyes and the attention. And, of course, you wear avant-garde fashion on the rarest of special occasions. If at all.
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | October 25, 2019 12:46 AM |
Some of you don't know rich people or live in rich cities. I was in the Celine Boutique in Geneva last week, dragged there by a friend. Rich people buy more than perfume in such shops. Hard to believe, but true! Celine shops are VERY minimalist.
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | October 25, 2019 12:46 AM |
And you don't understand economics, R22. Far more people can afford Celine perfume and accessories than Celine clothes. The former is where the majority of the revenue comes from.
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | October 25, 2019 12:52 AM |
Check out the fashions in the Gap Summer 2004 Men's Presentation Book!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 24 | October 25, 2019 12:54 AM |
Check out the Gap Fall 1992 Fashion Show!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 25 | October 25, 2019 12:55 AM |
Check out the Gap Fall 1993 Fashion Show!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 26 | October 25, 2019 12:56 AM |
Once again, Celine sells leather. The fragrance is completely new! But sure LVMH probably wants to sell a lot of it! You can't just shit anything out your ignorant ass.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 27 | October 25, 2019 12:56 AM |
I don't know where you've been for the past 20 years, R27. Many of the top fashion houses make most of their money from perfume, scarves, handbags, etc. Do you think Calvin Klein got as rich as he is by selling clothes? I'm pretty sure it's from perfume / cologne, underwear, etc.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | October 25, 2019 1:09 AM |
We were talking about Celine. I said rich people buy things in luxury boutiques, such as in Celine. You're right about lux brands in general but in fact the 100-500 boutiques of these same brands, around the world, do actually sell the complete lines and rich people gobble it up. There are many very VERY rich people in the world.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | October 25, 2019 1:15 AM |
You really don't understand math. How many people do you think buy Hermes scarves compared to how many people buy Hermes clothes on a regular basis or Hermes saddles. There are not a ton of very very rich people. If there were, there would be a lot of fashion houses in Paris putting on haute couture shows. Couture has declined since the 50s.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | October 25, 2019 1:22 AM |
The Dumas are friends of mine. I built luxury brand derivatives for 5 years for a Swiss bank. But, carry on. Couture is doing fine again by the way.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | October 25, 2019 1:26 AM |
[quote]The Dumas are friends of mine. I built luxury brand derivatives for 5 years for a Swiss bank. But, carry on. Couture is doing fine again by the way.
Huh. Your wisdom is different than that of the fashion press. You must live in a bubble. There are fewer houses that put on couture shows than in the past. How many women do you think can afford those exorbitant prices? Not many at all. Have you seen some of Galliano's over the top creations when he was designing couture for Dior? I'm sure all those outfits sold really well. Not likely. It's about creating an image for the house.
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | October 25, 2019 1:35 AM |
There were 20K couture buyers in 1950 and at least 2000 a year now. The prices and different and so it world culture. Celine isn't in the Haute Couture but maybe LVHM has plans to change that. So the original comparison of OP, in this thread, is apples and oranges. There are maybe 500 known couture buyers who do so over 5-10 years. But over 2k a year. In fact there may be 4K a year but houses don't want to tell you just how much they are selling in very politically incorrect regions of the world, at his moment. My point was, sure, couture shows publicize the Chanel frags, of course. But all the lux brands do actually sell the crap they show in ready to wear shows, in their boutiques. People are really buying Celine bags, shoes, and yeah the clothes. Rich people. There are a LOT of rich people in the world, nowadays. Far more than in 1950. In 1950, aristocrats in shabby lux lifestyles bought couture.
| by Anonymous | reply 35 | October 25, 2019 1:50 AM |
sorry getting late here. The prices ARE different and so is world culture.
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | October 25, 2019 1:50 AM |
I'm sure all the outfits in this show sold like hotcakes, R35. They probably couldn't keep up with orders.
I saw an interview where Yves St. Laurent said that when he put on an haute couture show in his heyday, he was actually trying to sell clothes. He complained that now it was about putting on a big show, that many of the clothes were too over the top and impractical and didn't actually sell, and that it was all about creating a stir in the press.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 37 | October 25, 2019 2:08 AM |
Oh crap. That video is pretty blurry. Oh well.
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | October 25, 2019 2:12 AM |
An unintended consequence of turning the fashion industry into a vehicle for selling slutwear and perfumes publicized by unwearable looks, is that fewer and fewer people are taking an interest in fashion, or dressing fashionably.
Instead of wearing cheap versions of runway fashions, regular schmoes are wearing gym clothes or baggy shorts. It's a deliberate rejection of the fashion industry.
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | October 25, 2019 5:42 AM |
What? You need to stop living in the past.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 41 | October 25, 2019 6:09 AM |
[quote]I’m in London now and all I see are sneakers/trainers everywhere on women. With pretty dresses and business suits and leggings
If the woman is in a business suit, then most likely she has her office shoes in a plastic bag in her purse, and she's wearing trainers just for the commute to and from work. I knew several female coworkers who did that.
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | October 25, 2019 6:26 AM |
I love fashion shows in old movies. This is one of my favorites, from "The Women" 1939.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 43 | October 25, 2019 6:51 AM |
I'm surprised this look hasn't caught on.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 44 | October 25, 2019 3:47 PM |
I ask the same thing about movies all the time. How did “An American in Paris” give way to “The Human Centipede”?
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | October 25, 2019 3:58 PM |
[quote]In 1950, aristocrats in shabby lux lifestyles bought couture.
I'm pretty sure rich Americans have been couture's biggest customers for a very long time.
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | October 25, 2019 4:38 PM |
"I'm pretty sure rich Americans have been couture's biggest customers for a very long time. "
I'm willing to bet the rich Chinese, Russians, and Arabs have outnumbered rich Americans in couture shopping, for the last few decades.
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | October 25, 2019 5:21 PM |
There's little ceremony left in today's society. There's little to dress up for. Casual clothing is an acceptable mode of dress for just about everywhere.
[quote]I'm willing to bet the rich Chinese, Russians, and Arabs have outnumbered rich Americans in couture shopping, for the last few decades.
Yes, they have.
China and Russia are societies where you must distinguish yourself from the unwashed masses.
| by Anonymous | reply 49 | October 25, 2019 5:30 PM |
Most people no longer dress to impress. They dress in sweats to shop at Walmart.
[quote] There's little ceremony left in today's society.
So fucking true. And it's because the Middle Class has diminished. They were the ones hosting dinner parties, inviting the boss over for dinner, go to Mass on Sunday, turn a visit to the theater (for classical music or a stage play) or a town fair into an event where you showed off your best clothes and manners.
Now a tailgate BBQ is the event of the season.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | October 25, 2019 5:39 PM |
Wealthy Arab women buy bespoke couture garb that meets the requirements of their culture. Think the Sheikha Moza, wife of the Emir of Qatar. Everything she wears is bespoke couture.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 51 | October 25, 2019 5:53 PM |
If you think the fashion houses rely on a small number of women who can pay $10,000 - $20,000 per outfit to earn profits, you are very mistaken.
It's like the argument that if we tax the rich in the US, we will get enough money to pay for Medicare for All. And all the economists worth their salt have demonstrated that wealth taxes would not be enough to fund Medicare for All and other sources of funding would be needed.
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | October 25, 2019 5:58 PM |
The whole industry would be different. The Dior video has the feel of a freer time in couture? The Celine clothes look like they want people to buy them. You could wear them in certain circles in big cities. The Hedi Slimane thing is the thin sorta 80s sleek thing he's known for. Not my fave, but it counts as style, no? It's a look.
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | October 25, 2019 6:01 PM |
Fashion is a springboard for fresh ideas. It often looks wacky outside of context—if you just look at a particular dress you might think it looks crazy. But it might be about the color of the pattern or an element of shape that will eventually end up in more toned down and more wearable designs
Look at what’s happened with men’s sneakers. A few years ago the Balenciaga sneakers and Yeezys looked insane to me. Now all the companies have versions of the same idea and there will be more to come in the following years
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | October 25, 2019 6:07 PM |
Your misgendering killed fashion.
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | October 25, 2019 6:29 PM |
The problem with the majority of "fashion" today is that it looks more like a costume for some futuristic hollywood (or bollywood) movie more than anything else.
If it could belong on the back of someone in the Capitol in the Hunger Games, in the throne room of of Queen Amidala on Naboo, or in Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon movie, it ain't fashion.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | October 25, 2019 6:55 PM |
That may be couture R51,but it looks like shit on her. Frumpy and lumpy.
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | October 25, 2019 7:04 PM |
In r51's pic, it's funny.
I thought that would look fine if the skirt were shorter - then noticed there is an obvious addition to the skirt at mid-thigh.
Of course, there is no help for those awful shoes.
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | October 25, 2019 8:07 PM |
[quote]I'm willing to bet the rich Chinese, Russians, and Arabs have outnumbered rich Americans in couture shopping, for the last few decades.
I don't think so. The U.S. still has more billionaires than China and a whole lot more than Russia and Saudi Arabia.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 59 | October 25, 2019 8:26 PM |
The fur boots are hilarious at r51 - anyone know who made them? is that Sheikha Al-Anoud bint Mana Al Hajri? I could see these boots in Courcheval.
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | October 25, 2019 8:36 PM |
I worked in high fashion for over 35 years and I can assure you that, without the Polish, none of it would've been possible. None. Of. It.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | October 25, 2019 8:38 PM |
Lol! From R27:
Nine of the evocatively named fragrances—Parade, Saint-Germain-des-Prés, Dans Paris, Cologne Française, La Peau Nue, Eau de Californie, Reptile, Black Tie, and Night Clubbing—will be coming out this fall, while the others—Rimbaud and Bois Dorman—will be released later in 2020.
My god. Even the people who name pharmaceuticals could have thought something up better suited than ‘Reptile’.
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | October 25, 2019 8:41 PM |
[quote]The Hedi Slimane thing is the thin sorta 80s sleek thing he's known for. Not my fave, but it counts as style, no? It's a look.
I think a lot of fashion houses are doing something similar. To me it looks like ugly, aggressive, trashy street fashion. I once saw in a Barney's catalog a distressed denim skirt that looked like it was from a thrift store selling for $800. Oh the irony.
| by Anonymous | reply 63 | October 25, 2019 8:42 PM |
The proliferation of leggings! God, cover yourselves!!!
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | October 25, 2019 8:43 PM |
R51’s pic proves money cannot and does not buy taste.
I understand she’s dressing with her religion in mind, but there’s simply no justification for those hideous boots.
Also, why would anyone pair those boots with that suit? And the suit itself is hideous for several reasons, however, the skirt and its line/cut, are the primary reasons. So bespoke or not, she doesn’t look fabulous. With her money, she should. I don’t know her age, but she’s still a knockout, & could do better than those boots.
What’s happened to fashion? Not much, other than fast fashion. It has brought the industry down many levels, Forever 21 being the pioneer.
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | October 25, 2019 9:07 PM |
Models dressed like piles of garbage.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 66 | October 25, 2019 9:11 PM |
The models in the first video are to die for. Wow.
| by Anonymous | reply 68 | October 25, 2019 9:23 PM |
R51 looks a vintage dairy maid
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | October 25, 2019 10:06 PM |
[quote]The fur boots are hilarious at [R51] - anyone know who made them? is that Sheikha Al-Anoud bint Mana Al Hajri? I could see these boots in Courcheval.
It's Courchevel. You are obviously an impostor.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 70 | October 25, 2019 10:20 PM |
I thoroughly enjoyed the video at r61. Props to the models for staying balanced and in character!
The Fendi show had some beautiful clothes. The textiles were something else.
| by Anonymous | reply 71 | October 25, 2019 10:20 PM |
There is no video at R61.
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | October 25, 2019 10:21 PM |
Fashion is alive and well.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 75 | October 25, 2019 10:32 PM |
This is perfect for casual Friday.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 76 | October 25, 2019 10:35 PM |
Here is Sheika Moza of Qatar with the Queen. Who wore it best?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 78 | October 25, 2019 11:01 PM |
Sheika Moza bringing her couture to Spain....
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 79 | October 25, 2019 11:03 PM |
R50, From Vegas' Smiths' Center for concerts and dance programs to upscale dinners almost everyone dresses in jeans or vacation/leisure clothes whether or not they're a tourist. Perhaps it's because they don't want to be solicited for change? Yet you're treated so much better everyplace if you dress up.
Charity fundraisers for the upper middle class is where you'll see more people carrying out how they present themselves.
| by Anonymous | reply 80 | October 26, 2019 12:58 AM |
The girl at R76 is dressed as a toilet brush.
| by Anonymous | reply 81 | October 26, 2019 7:11 AM |
In 2020, everyone will be dressing as a bouncy castle!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 82 | October 26, 2019 7:27 AM |
People don't dress like that, OP. Most people can only afford Kmart and Target and Old Navy.
And the only women who wear suits are politicians and lawyers.
| by Anonymous | reply 83 | October 26, 2019 8:59 AM |
Couture does *NOT* make money. I'll say it again; haute couture does not make money.
None of it sells at numbers nearly high enough to justify cost. Do things move? Yes, but the market is so small and select that it makes up a tiny piece of revenue for houses.
For decades now money comes from ready to wear/off the rack, perfume and cosmetics, and accessories including leather goods.
Coco Chanel knew this which is why that house was one of the first to market perfume and accessories.
Even French women of great wealth or whatever do not buy much couture these days either. Recall an interview with a wife of a (former or current) president of France. She said neither she nor many of her friends wear couture. Ready to wear was another matter.
When pressed as to why she replied basically lifestyles have changed. Not everyone has maids or wants to be bothered doing up all those buttons, hooks or whatever it takes getting into a couture gown/garment.
Allure of couture today lies with mainly Chinese, Russian, and Middle Eastern women and perhaps some Eastern Europeans. Some have made their own money, most however are wives, daughters, mistresses or otherwise connected to men who have vast fortunes from both legitimate and illegitimate sources.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 84 | October 26, 2019 9:19 AM |
Probably 1980's was the last really big gasp of haute couture, especially for Americans.
Reagan was in the WH, and the decade was defined by luxurious consumption. Television ran shows like Dynasty, the Colbys, Falcon Crest.... all with ladies dripping in couture or designer clothing.
KL bought Chanel back as a house to be reckoned with; featuring a surprising amount of couture that was wearable. The classic Chanel suit was reworked and returned.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 85 | October 26, 2019 9:28 AM |
Things weren't all great in 1980's; thanks to bad taste of gargantuan proportions Lady Diana's wedding gown was set lose upon the world.
For years afterwards bridal, evening, prom and other gowns were based on that hideous design.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 86 | October 26, 2019 9:37 AM |
Late Nan Kempner saw things for what they were:
"NK: Darling there is no fashion anymore, I mean look around you...what do you see? Trash, these days all these broads looking for free clothes. Even editors today are looking for freebies and they haven’t a clue, there is no one to equal Diana and then again look at the clothes... trash silly stuff for the tasteless
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 87 | October 26, 2019 9:46 AM |
Nan Kempner, Deeda Blair, Patricia Altschul and their peers mattered not because they bought couture by heaps; but because of their fashion sense and good taste which showed when wearing.
When you saw one of these grand dames wearing couture or "fashion" as Edina Monsoon would say, it set a tone, gave other women something to aspire to. Nowadays few bother or make an effort.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 89 | October 26, 2019 9:56 AM |
Look around; you have Mrs. Mark Zuckerberg, Mrs. Jeff Bezos (both of them), and other tech wives who have more money than God (or at least their husbands do), but they run around in yoga pants or jeans.
| by Anonymous | reply 90 | October 26, 2019 9:58 AM |
[quote]KL bought Chanel back as a house to be reckoned with; featuring a surprising amount of couture that was wearable. The classic Chanel suit was reworked and returned.
r85, The Chanel suit is not Haute Couture.
| by Anonymous | reply 91 | October 26, 2019 10:02 AM |
r86 -" Things weren't all great in 1980's; thanks to bad taste of gargantuan proportions ..."
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 92 | October 26, 2019 2:47 PM |
Fuck this Mozah woman. Why do you guys keep posting shit about her?
Look at what she and her disgusting ass looking husband have done in Qatar! Hundred of South East Asians and Africans have been beaten, maimed, and murdered, due to their silence and endorsement of having what to the rest of the world, looks just like the slavery situation we had in America.
These two and their ilk, run around the US, and the UK, buying up tons of real estate they don’t even live in, making difficult for people to live in their own cities. Their own country is a quasi developed shithole, being developed by the trafficking and imprisonments of poor peasants, breaking their backs 16 hours a day, with living conditions that are worse than where they came from.
How much you wanna bet this bitch despises her husband, and beats the help?
She may have been a beauty back in the day, but now she looks like a cheap trans hooker.
People need to look into who they stan. This woman is pure trash, just like the rest of her family. The only people I feel sorry for here are the ones who are caught up in their web of money, human trafficking, and violence.
These a HORRIBLE people.
| by Anonymous | reply 93 | October 26, 2019 4:27 PM |
Coco must be rolling over in her grave.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 94 | October 26, 2019 4:52 PM |
She's sucking Nazi dick in Hell in any case.
| by Anonymous | reply 95 | October 26, 2019 4:54 PM |
[Quote] The average person doesn't understand REAL fashion. He or she thinks it's wonky and unflattering.
And not for real people or the real world.
| by Anonymous | reply 96 | October 26, 2019 5:11 PM |
R96, REAL fashion is subjective. It’s a lot like art. Someone might appreciate a Picasso, while others prefer a Pollock, and some both.
Only a person who wasn’t raised in developed societies, will look at runway fashion that isn’t “wearable” in day to day life, and find it wonky. Most people understand that certain brands use the runway as a walking art show. Those specific shows during FW, have nothing to do with was mass consumerism demands.
People aren’t so daft, that they don’t get that.
| by Anonymous | reply 97 | October 26, 2019 5:35 PM |
"Most people understand that certain brands use the runway as a walking art show. Those specific shows during FW, have nothing to do with was mass consumerism demands. People aren’t so daft, that they don’t get that. "
Those shows are intended to publicize the designer's perfume and accessories, anyone who takes them seriously is being silly. And that includes the Fashion Press, and eldergays who think of those outfits that aren't meant to be work as "wearable art".
| by Anonymous | reply 98 | October 26, 2019 9:52 PM |
R65 She usually looks a lot better, she has great style. She's well into her 60's, now the mother of the current ruler, her husband retired several years ago.
| by Anonymous | reply 99 | October 26, 2019 10:35 PM |
R65
Outfit pictured is Valentino couture.
Skirt really doesn't work on Sheikha Mozah because she needs either a girdle or something to contain that thigh and derriere flesh. In short these couture fashions are designed for rail thin models or other women. When scaled up to fit more curvy women things don't always work well.
There was a reason Nan Kempner, Deeda Blair, Patricia Altschul kept themselves rail thin. One was yes, to get couture run way samples, but the other was so that those fashions regardless hung on them as intended.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 100 | October 27, 2019 12:12 AM |
Couture works for Sheikha Mozah when she goes with less tightly fitted things that drape or flow across body.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 101 | October 27, 2019 12:14 AM |
I understand this conversation. Historically, women's fashion had two hinges - the mid-sixties created a nuder, less constricted look and the mid-nineties created a capsule wardrobe that merely variesd slightly from year-to-year since then. The reasons are not important b/c they do not presage where fashion is going.
Right now, we are waiting for the new materials to become sewable and stylable. Afterward, it's a new ballgame and NO ONE knows where it is going.
| by Anonymous | reply 102 | October 27, 2019 12:29 AM |
Bump for more fashion stuff
| by Anonymous | reply 103 | October 27, 2019 1:45 AM |
I'd love to try to wear couture but I am too fat and too self conscious. So I just look and admire the ingenuity and creativity.
Whoever said people have no reason to dress up anymore are correct. Nobody has cocktail parties. And people don't bother to even dress decently to go to the theater, either.
If I am paying $100 or more for theater tickets, I sure as hell ain't gonna dress like it was the last $100 I had. But I'm in the minority.
| by Anonymous | reply 104 | October 27, 2019 2:44 AM |
People still have drinks parties; but people often come right after work which means today they often are in "dress casual".
You might get some men in suit and ties; but for ladies it is anything goes. Few bother to even wear hose to work anymore even when they manage to find a skirt or dress. And don't even ask about footwear; everything from Crocs to filp flops.
People look as if they'd just rolled out of bed nowadays.
| by Anonymous | reply 105 | October 27, 2019 2:50 AM |
The Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue websites don't have much women's clothing from Celine but what they do have looks like fairly reasonable casual wear that would actually sell.
| by Anonymous | reply 106 | October 27, 2019 2:57 AM |
R102 what is the 90s capsule? This is so interesting!
| by Anonymous | reply 107 | October 27, 2019 2:58 AM |
R105, hose hasn’t been “compulsory” (even among lawyers who have to dress formally) since the mid 1980s
| by Anonymous | reply 108 | October 27, 2019 3:01 AM |
Beautiful, elegant, interesting clothes are still being made. Anna Wintour usually gets it right.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 110 | October 27, 2019 3:21 AM |
R105, getting dressed up in the morning would imply that you have dignity as an individual, and that you actually have time to get dressed in the morning. Modern corporations strongly discourage this type of thinking. To them, you should be working every second of the day, and recognize that you are just a faceless cog in the machine, easily replaced. Slovenly clothing = serfdom.
| by Anonymous | reply 111 | October 27, 2019 4:24 AM |
R110
Speaking of broads on the scrounge for free couture and other goodies from fashion houses.
AW must have closets over flowing with stuff shaken down from designers over the years.
| by Anonymous | reply 112 | October 27, 2019 4:37 AM |
I’ve got a friend whose got a shop with some lovely chairs, and she says "chairs are as important to civilization as a masterpiece"...or something, I wrote it down somewhere. So, we could print that up and do some lovely...photos!
| by Anonymous | reply 113 | October 27, 2019 4:39 AM |
[quote]Speaking of broads on the scrounge for free couture and other goodies from fashion houses. AW must have closets over flowing with stuff shaken down from designers over the years.
Yes, but she can't do something as gauche as wear clothes from a previous season, unless it's something she really loves and it has a timeless, classic look about it.
| by Anonymous | reply 114 | October 27, 2019 4:46 AM |
Bitches on the Upper East Side will judge you if you're wearing last season's clothes or shoes.
| by Anonymous | reply 115 | October 27, 2019 4:54 AM |
That just makes me want to dress like a slob, R115.
Anyone who earns the approval of such shallow bitches is doing something fundamentally wrong.
| by Anonymous | reply 116 | October 27, 2019 5:15 AM |
r107 -- variations on what women wore on Friends.
| by Anonymous | reply 117 | October 27, 2019 5:18 AM |
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Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 118 | October 27, 2019 5:22 AM |
Who is the model at R85’s link? She appears in most of the pictures.
She’s not very attractive, Is she?
Was she Karl’s muse?
| by Anonymous | reply 119 | October 27, 2019 7:07 AM |
R119
Assuming you don't mean Diana, Princess of Wales, the dark haired model for Chanel is the very aristocratic Inès de La Fressange (truly. she is daughter of a French marquis).
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 120 | October 27, 2019 8:14 AM |
Thanks, R120.
She’s still plain looking.
My grandmothers’ name was Inez.
| by Anonymous | reply 121 | October 27, 2019 8:43 AM |
I think she's fabulous!
Ines de La Fressange has what one commonly associates with "dark" French looks. Know plenty of French men and women who look same.
Problem for both sexes is as they age there is a tendency towards heavy dark circles around eyes. You can see this clearly with La Fressange.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 122 | October 27, 2019 9:02 AM |
Mrs. Simpson in Elsa Schiaparelli's lobster dress
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 123 | October 27, 2019 3:59 PM |
R122
Inès de La Fressange?
She is 1/4 French (the name)
1/4 German Jewish
1/2 South American
Hahahaha!!
She hardly looks French.
And she is hated here in France 🇫🇷 because
1/ she did not pay and exploited her cleaning lady
2/ she had build illegally many extra rooms in her house in Provence.
| by Anonymous | reply 125 | October 27, 2019 5:09 PM |
What do people think of Vanessa Paradis in France r125?
| by Anonymous | reply 126 | October 27, 2019 6:49 PM |
Wow, I love the fashions in the OP’s video. Can you even find anything like that anymore? I wear suits for work, and I hate every time I shop for new ones. Granted I can’t afford haute couture, but why does so much of the ready-to-wear have to be so awful: unprofessionally short skirts, cheap materials, etc...?
| by Anonymous | reply 127 | October 27, 2019 7:37 PM |
Unfortunately, R127, anything using good-quality fabric and requiring skilled workmanship would be quite expensive.
| by Anonymous | reply 128 | October 27, 2019 10:05 PM |
R127, when in my teens and early 20s, I cleared out plenty of thrift shops which sold GORGEOUS clothes, that were well made, with well sourced materials.
I went through a phase where I literally looked like a character out of Mad Men. But I loved the quality, and honestly, these pieces were so feminine and lady like. Cheap, too! I would buy them, drop them off at the dry cleaners, and would have a gorgeous outfit for less than $20.00.
There’s no way that I could build that kind of wardrobe today, without spending thousands on it.
Quality counts, a LOT.
| by Anonymous | reply 129 | October 28, 2019 12:18 AM |
R127
Sadly thrift and consignment shops aren't what they once were, thanks in large part to Mr. Internet.
People now put things up on eBay or similar sites, then you have things like RealReal who do both physical and online.
You still can find thrift or consignment shops scattered around NYC and elsewhere. Madison Avenue in Manhattan still has a few; then of course there is always Housing Works.....
These days things are a bit hit or miss. You really have to know where to go and hit those shops often, I'm talking if not daily at least weekly. Much of what they have is rubbish these days, but every now and then good stuff comes in, but also goes quickly.
They do say when Jackie Kennedy passed on family slowly and quietly dispersed things to various Manhattan thrifts or consignment shops. First to avoid a massive unloading, but the other was to prevent people from putting two and two together.
Would imagine Caroline Kennedy and other members of family kept or got choice pieces. Some things were donated to various museums, etc...
Same thing happens when all great NYC ladies die such as Lena Horne.
Late as the 1990's you could still go into thrifts/consignment places in Manhattan, Paris, London, and elsewhere, and find really good deals. Now as one has said things are often dismal.
Keep in mind back in day those doing donating were happy enough to just get the tax deduction (charity). Now thanks to internet they (or those dealing with clearing out an estate), can make money by simply throwing some pictures up online.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 130 | October 28, 2019 12:30 AM |
R127 here. Thank you for the kind responses. Will take the tips to see what I can find. This thread did inspire me earlier to internet shop and found a McQueen houndstooth blazer that I love....but just can’t drop $3K for one piece. Feeling much as I did the first and last time I walked out of Tom Ford. 🤣
Outside of quality, I find that nothing ever hangs quite right and I hear this from many women: it’s like off-the-rack is made for 90’s models shaped like boys (waist almost same as hips, etc)...
So, I’ll buy for hips/rear (and I’m not big...average a size 6) and have waist taken in. But I’m also long-waisted and have long legs. Pants aren’t so bad as I can buy tall and have them hemmed. However, skirts and dresses kill me; esp dresses. Waist usually hits at bottom of my rib cage, with no “extra material” to make up for it.
Any tips?
| by Anonymous | reply 131 | October 28, 2019 2:57 AM |
R110 is clueless. Couture like Chanel is meant to be timeless not trendy... people often will wear something again decades after they first bought it. Sometimes it needs to be altered or restyled for a better fit, but classic styles always come back into fashion if you wait long enough.
| by Anonymous | reply 132 | October 28, 2019 4:45 AM |
What R132 said!
Perfect example is YSL "Le Smoking"; what was thought of at time of first showing as a disaster, has become one of the iconic bits of fashion history, and one of YSL couture's best sellers.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 133 | October 28, 2019 6:04 AM |
R126
She is a good actress In French films with a french fanbase
BUT
I am bored to death with her,, her sister Alison and her daughter Lily-Rose
And the shoveling down our throats of those adjacent to her talentless voids.
Amused by her never-ending disastrous choice of boyfriends and husbands.
Benjamin Boilay and Samuel Benchetrit were each seen canoodling with their lovers, she must be a lousy lay.
And most of all, she is still singing with this "cute lolita voice" though she is pushing 50.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 134 | October 28, 2019 9:08 AM |
The models look like reanimated aborted Chernobyl fetuses.
| by Anonymous | reply 136 | October 28, 2019 9:58 AM |
"20 things every man should have in his wardrobe"- yep, Paul Newman's definitely on that list.
| by Anonymous | reply 139 | October 28, 2019 2:09 PM |
[quote]R110 is clueless. Couture like Chanel is meant to be timeless not trendy... people often will wear something again decades after they first bought it. Sometimes it needs to be altered or restyled for a better fit, but classic styles always come back into fashion if you wait long enough.
Yes. This is timeless.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 140 | October 28, 2019 3:46 PM |
So is this.
Lagerfeld had to change things up to keep clients and the press interested.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 141 | October 28, 2019 3:48 PM |
