Whats your unsolved showbiz mystery or bit of scandal you always wondered about thats never been addressed?
| by Anonymous | reply 155 | June 23, 2019 4:39 PM |
I mean we all have a pretty good idea of what happened, but it would be nice to finally have justice brought to Natalie Wood's murderer Robert Wagner. Christopher Walken needs to come forward with what he knows, as well.
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | June 6, 2019 10:49 PM |
The murder of silent film director William Desmond Taylor in 1922.
William Mann's book "Tinseltown" gave plausible answer, but we'll never, ever know. I love that book... juicy, juicy, juicy and really informative about early Hollywood on the east and west coasts.
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | June 6, 2019 10:56 PM |
This isn't a huge scandal or anything but I've always wondered what really happened between REM and Jefferson Holt to bring down that ironclad gagging order on all concerned.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | June 6, 2019 10:57 PM |
R4, what do you mean? He was fired because he was accused of sexual harassment/assault by one of the band's employees. Do you think there's more to it?
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | June 6, 2019 11:01 PM |
Were Lucille Ball, Joan Crawford and Marilyn Monroe whores before they made the big time?
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | June 6, 2019 11:16 PM |
R5. Its just weird. He was one of the best managers in the history of rock music. The fact that he was fired for anything is pretty extraordinary. After he was given the boot the band were ( according to someone who would know) desperate to talk about something. But were legally bound to keep their mouths shut as per his severance agreement. The harassment charges weren't technically charges because it was dealt with in house between the complainant and the band. He was fired with a pretty good deal and a legally binding gagging order preserving his reputation. Meaning, I assume, that he could have sued the band for unfair dismissal otherwise. They have kept entirely schtum even in close personal circles. Apparently If his name is mentioned these days they get very upset but still wont discuss it. Some have speculated that there was no harassment and it was something else involving finances. Peter Buck once said in an interview that it was worse than what people were suggesting. I WANNA KNOW.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | June 6, 2019 11:17 PM |
R6, well she was murdered.
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | June 6, 2019 11:20 PM |
Did Kirk Douglas really kill Jean Spangler and got away with it?
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | June 6, 2019 11:22 PM |
Did Kirk Douglas really rape Natalie Wood and get away with it?
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | June 6, 2019 11:26 PM |
R3 Such a great book!
R12 I think after he dies all the stories will come out. Creepy old fossil.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | June 6, 2019 11:30 PM |
Who did Lou Christie sleep with?
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | June 6, 2019 11:30 PM |
[quote]William Mann's book "Tinseltown" gave plausible answer, but we'll never, ever know.
Actually, Sidney Kirkpatricks "A Cast of Killers" gives a far more credible explanation, and he brings the receipts. Plus - and this is key - the whole thing is based on an investigation that King Vidor did into the killing. Vidor was inspired by the razing of the bungalow court in 1966 where Taylor's bungalow had been. Vidor was able to interview, in 1966, many, many people who had been a part of the scandal or a part of Hollywood in 1922. That's invaluable. So Kirkpatrick tells the story of Vidor's investigation and his conclusions (which he never went further with, feeling it was cause too much hurt for one of the involved parties). Kirkpatrick backs it all up with research in the early 1980s.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | June 6, 2019 11:46 PM |
R9 I may have an answer for you, heresay but reliable.
A beloved member of their office staff took her own life a few months later.
It was worse than "harassment" would suggest. He was/is highly manipulative. "Angel in public, Devil at home" type. The band had been trying to get rid of him for a while but couldn't pin anything on him in a legal sense. He had an amazing contract.
Her health was fragile already and she didn't want to take an experienced lawyer to court. Which suited the band.
There was huge regret over that afterwards. I suspect the band wanted to express their anger at Holt. But you can't just accuse someone of causing a death.
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | June 6, 2019 11:53 PM |
[quote]Thelma Todd
Back in the 1980s, Los Angeles magazine had a series on unsolved Hollywood mysteries. The solution of Thomas Ince's murder was fascinating, but so was Thelma Todd's. The writer got the full story from Zazu Pitts' son. Zazu was Thelma's closest friend. It was an open secret in Hollywood, everyone knew the truth of what had happened, but there was too much danger for several important Hollywood studio types if it were to go to the courts. And it wasn't, strictly speaking, a murder. Thelma's cafe (the building) is still there in Malibu, and so are the steps she had to climb to her garage (where she actually died, and that isn't there anymore).
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 19 | June 7, 2019 12:04 AM |
[QUOTE] I think after he dies all the stories will come out. Creepy old fossil.
Natalie's younger sister Lana has said that she will not name him publicly until he's dead. How many actor/producers are still living who would've been old enough to have raped the then 17 yr old Natalie in 1955 ?
It's Kirk.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | June 7, 2019 12:08 AM |
R20 unfortunately he seems to have made a demon deal for immortality.
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | June 7, 2019 12:11 AM |
[quote]How many actor/producers are still living who would've been old enough to have raped the then 17 yr old Natalie in 1955?
Me, for one.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 22 | June 7, 2019 12:12 AM |
R16, THANK YOU! I haven't heard of Vidor's investigation, and the book based on his research! I need to find this ASAP.
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | June 7, 2019 12:13 AM |
What were those REASONS why Christina and Christopher were left out of Mommie Dearest's will?
| by Anonymous | reply 25 | June 7, 2019 12:20 AM |
How exactly did Marilyn die?
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | June 7, 2019 12:21 AM |
R16, I read “A Cast of Killers,” “Tinseltown,” and a third one whose name I can’t recall but which pinned the murder on one of Mabel Normand’s drug dealers.
Like JonBenet, all three had plausible arguments. I tend to lean toward Tinseltown’s conclusion. Only because I could 100% believe a studio would stoop low enough to spin a murder to destroy an innocent star whose mother was making her more trouble than she was worth. I also was fascinated by the political/economic/moral majority pressures being faced by the studios of the time.
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | June 7, 2019 12:23 AM |
Well Christina is still alive. Has anybody asked her?
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | June 7, 2019 12:24 AM |
Third book in the Taylor murder: “A Deed of Death” by Robert Giroux.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | June 7, 2019 12:27 AM |
I didn't read the book by Robert Giroux (it's called "A Deed of Death"), nor the fourth one on the case, "Loonies in Hollywood," but I did read Tinseltown. It read like more of a novel to me, rather than anything reality-based. A Cast of Killers is very carefully laid out, and the conclusions that Vidor drew are backed up either with interviews or with actual evidence.
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | June 7, 2019 12:30 AM |
R26 Jackie O hired a hitman
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | June 7, 2019 12:45 AM |
this might be minor, but i'd like to know who and why killed Barbara Colby, a theater and tv actress (she was on Phyllis) suo was shot in the 70s in a parking lot. still a Cold case.
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | June 7, 2019 12:52 AM |
Which of Henry Wilsson's clients actually serviced him to get ahead in Hollywood? Nearly all of them say they knew of his reputation, but it was "never them", it was always "somebody else" who submitted to Superagent Henry.
| by Anonymous | reply 35 | June 7, 2019 12:58 AM |
Frances Farmer. Did she get that lobotomy or not?
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | June 7, 2019 1:01 AM |
How did Abbie Hoffman die ?
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | June 7, 2019 1:03 AM |
Did Jon-Erik Hexum really accidentally shoot himself or was he murdered?
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | June 7, 2019 1:03 AM |
About Thomas H. Ince's untimely and surprise death at age 42 in 1924
I'd like to accept he died from natural causes, but unresolved to me are:
- that Chaplin denied being on the [italic]Oneida[/italic] yacht where Thomas Ince was stricken, yet his chauffeur Toraichi Kono asserted he saw blood on Ince's head as he was carried off the dock;
- why Louella Parsons shortly had a lifetime contract with Hearst newspapers.
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | June 7, 2019 1:13 AM |
R36, yes. My great aunt was around her in Indiana when she was making Frances Farmer Presents.
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | June 7, 2019 4:40 AM |
That is the plot of The Cat's Meow, which was excellent, R39.
| by Anonymous | reply 41 | June 7, 2019 4:40 AM |
What really happened with Steve Cockran on that boat with the all-girl crew?
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | June 7, 2019 5:00 AM |
Thanks, R16, I just ordered the book on your recommendation. I actually bought Tinseltown because a DL'er recommended it in another thread but I've yet to read it. I better get a crackin'!
| by Anonymous | reply 43 | June 7, 2019 5:25 AM |
Wasn't there an article written by an associate of Joan, who said that she knew that Christina was going to write a book about her?
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | June 7, 2019 5:37 AM |
[quote] this might be minor, but i'd like to know who and why killed Barbara Colby, a theater and tv actress (she was on Phyllis) suo was shot in the 70s in a parking lot. still a Cold case.
Everything I've read on this seems to agree it was just kids or gang members randomly shooting at her on the street for no good reason--just for shits 'n' giggles.
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | June 7, 2019 5:50 AM |
Did Clark Gable really kill someone in a drunken driving accident that MGM had hushed up?
Were Lillian and Dorothy Gish really ever an incestuous couple?
Did Richard Burton really rape Eddie Fisher?
Did Paul Lynde really push that hustler off the fire escape to his death?
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | June 7, 2019 5:59 AM |
WHO REALLY KILLED JOHNNY STOMP *A*NUT*OH!
Was Russ Colombo's shooting an accident?
Did Arthur Farnsworth's death result from injuries due to a "fall" several days earlier?
Did Rex Harrison leave Carole Landis to die?
How big, really, was Gary Cooper's cock?
How tiny, really, was Monty's cock?
How loose, really was Shelley's pussy?
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | June 7, 2019 6:15 AM |
Did Kate and Spence ever fuck?
Did Burt and Marlon fuck?
Keanu???????
Was Stephen Boyd gay?
Paul Newman a whorehound? Gay?
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | June 7, 2019 6:51 AM |
R16, Just read the preview on Goodreads of "A Cast of Killers." Did you notice the comment re the deceased possession in his library of a book by Aleiser Crowley? He'd stashed a love letter inside of it. Curious.
Also why did the former director have a collection of hundreds of "frilly pink panties, each with a different set of initials?" How about his many porn pictures of his countless lovers? Didn't quite explain if he was also in the photos, and if so who was the photographer?
Alludes to his cache of drugs bought in China Town. Didn't realize drugs were so prevalent back then in Hollywood. What were they? Opium? Did the stars indulge too?
| by Anonymous | reply 49 | June 7, 2019 9:26 AM |
R17 Shit. No wonder they we're pissed.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | June 7, 2019 11:51 AM |
Did James Caan really push his sons lover off a balcony?
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | June 7, 2019 12:32 PM |
What's the truth about Paulette Goddard giving someone a blow job in a restaurant?
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | June 7, 2019 1:23 PM |
Who killed John Singleton?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 53 | June 7, 2019 1:29 PM |
Dana Plato was set up for an early death.
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | June 7, 2019 2:28 PM |
Was Ronnie Chasen murdered?
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | June 7, 2019 3:46 PM |
that's awful, r45. Liv Ullmann, of all people, wrote nice words about Barbara in her autobiography released a few years after Barbara' s murder. They were in Ibsen's Doll House together.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | June 7, 2019 6:50 PM |
[quote]Was Ronnie Chasen murdered?
Well, she's dead of gunshot wounds, so I'd say yes.
The police said it was a crazy homeless guy whom they killed. But the police's story isn't fully supported by the known facts and initial press coverage. There are still lots and lots of rumors.
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | June 8, 2019 12:04 AM |
R57, I should have elaborated. I wonder if she had been the specific target of a planned murder.
Weird stuff.
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | June 8, 2019 1:53 AM |
R58, Yes Chasen was specifically targeted and it was very obviously a pro hit by a hired foreign agent. There was a very extensive DL thread on her murder a few years back and I added a lot of info taken directly from extremely insightful comments of local insiders as to the motive.
Remember there was supposed to be a movie of the investigation but the writer/director was repeatedly threatened. Financing & sources of info closed ranks. Too many powerful people involved, and the film would reveal way too many secrets big players didn't want exposed of how Hollywood really operates.
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | June 8, 2019 2:00 AM |
Whatever happened to that little French girl who lost her mind and ran screaming from the yacht, after presumably being gang raped by the crew, mentioned by Marion Davies in "The Times We Had"?
Why was director Peter Bogdanovich convinced someone had killed River Phoenix out of jealousy? And whatever happened to the lost footage of "Dark Blood"?
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | June 8, 2019 2:10 AM |
[quote] Why was director Peter Bogdanovich convinced someone had killed River Phoenix out of jealousy?
Because someone had murdered Dorothy Stratten out of jealousy.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | June 8, 2019 2:14 AM |
R59, oooh, fascinating. I’ll look for it. Thanks!
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | June 8, 2019 2:15 AM |
R62, You also might want to check out the linked DL thread.
Then research what movie staring Cher that didn't make as much $$$ as expected but had a co-star of a pretty young woman with a BF. Look at Ronni Chasen's involvement ie was she just doing PR, her friendship with the actress, promises made and agreements assumed but broken to certain Russian powerful. That will be a good start for you.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 63 | June 8, 2019 2:26 AM |
R16 if I read A Cast of Killers years ago, should I bother reading Mann's Tinseltown?
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | June 8, 2019 2:47 AM |
Peter Bogdanovich was right on the money.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 65 | June 8, 2019 3:18 AM |
Weren't there a lot of rumors of Depp being involved in the disappearance of the guy he had co-owned The Viper Room with and had a big falling out?
| by Anonymous | reply 66 | June 8, 2019 3:30 AM |
John Furscante being a creepy cunt at 3.20 regarding rivers death. You know, considering he fucking killed him.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 67 | June 8, 2019 3:47 AM |
Nancy Reagan's head techniques that made her so special.
| by Anonymous | reply 68 | June 8, 2019 4:03 AM |
R67 weird REM segue again. This explains why Michael Stipe hates RHCPs. He was friends with RP.
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | June 8, 2019 4:16 AM |
Did David Geffen have his biographer killed?
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | June 8, 2019 4:18 AM |
60 the directer took the unfinished movie on the road a few years ago. It was ok. Don’t think the movie would have been a classic but river was good in the footage.
| by Anonymous | reply 71 | June 8, 2019 4:22 AM |
R64 I have read both. Yes read both Tinseltown covers a lot of the same material but there is additional material to make the author's case. However Cast of Killers feels more personal because of the Vidor/Moore connection.
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | June 8, 2019 4:22 AM |
r67 its like he's posessed in that video.
| by Anonymous | reply 74 | June 8, 2019 8:22 PM |
Who murdered Britney Murphy?
| by Anonymous | reply 75 | June 8, 2019 8:25 PM |
Did Terri really hire that stingray to take out Steve?
It was the perfect crime!
| by Anonymous | reply 76 | June 8, 2019 8:45 PM |
Fuck, Fuck, Fuck his parents.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 77 | June 8, 2019 8:52 PM |
Was Howard Hughes really bi? With his hypochondria, did he even fuck at all?
| by Anonymous | reply 78 | June 8, 2019 10:07 PM |
What really happened to Jean Harlow's husband, Paul Bern? Did you really commit suicide, or was he murdered? Was the note left behind written by him, and if so, what did it mean?
| by Anonymous | reply 79 | June 8, 2019 11:15 PM |
[quote]What really happened to Jean Harlow's husband, Paul Bern? Did you really commit suicide,
Do you expect him to answer?
| by Anonymous | reply 80 | June 8, 2019 11:36 PM |
The fact is, Esther was envious and a liar. Jeff looked GREAT in polka dots.
| by Anonymous | reply 81 | June 9, 2019 12:04 AM |
"Didn't realize drugs were so prevalent back then in Hollywood. What were they? Opium? Did the stars indulge too? "
Oh yes! Cocaine, opium in its various forms, marijuana, and alcohol were all huge on the Hollywood party circuit, which was at its height during the 1920s.
Opiates were only declared a controlled substance in 1923, and you could still get cocaine with a doctor's prescription. Alcohol was illegal, of course, but nobody in Hollywood cared about that. There were several Hollywood scandals related to drug and alcohol use, including the Fatty Arbuckle trials and the death of Mary Pickford's brother, the studio's attempts to clean up Hollywood's image eventually resulted in The Hayes Code and voluntary censorship of movie content. And in perfecting the art of hushing things up.
| by Anonymous | reply 82 | June 9, 2019 1:09 AM |
R80, you got me. And it was hilarious!
| by Anonymous | reply 83 | June 9, 2019 3:00 PM |
Did Clara Bow really fuck the entire USC football team?
| by Anonymous | reply 84 | June 9, 2019 3:11 PM |
Almost the entire team, r84, but it turned out the placekicker and left tackle were gay.
| by Anonymous | reply 85 | June 9, 2019 3:13 PM |
And the tight end was questioning.
| by Anonymous | reply 86 | June 9, 2019 3:23 PM |
r85 Doesn't stop anyone from having straight sex, thh.
| by Anonymous | reply 87 | June 9, 2019 4:51 PM |
Was Bobby Fuller murdered?
| by Anonymous | reply 88 | June 10, 2019 2:52 AM |
He's just a druggie, r74.
| by Anonymous | reply 89 | June 10, 2019 3:41 AM |
Sean Astin is clearly Desi Arnaz’ Jr.’s son so I’d like them to end the subterfuge. He has Patti Duke’s coloring and Desi’s bone structure.
| by Anonymous | reply 90 | June 10, 2019 4:16 AM |
The 'Helter Skelter' race war motive for the Cielo Drive and LaBianco murders was BULLSHIT invented by prosecutor Bugliosi. It was actually a drug dealer revenge kill against DENNIS DAY, son of DORIS, (and BRIAN 'BEACH BOYS' WILSON) who prev lived at Cielo house. The LaBianco's were MAFIA and their daughter fucked a dope dealer that MANSON used. He knew their house layout. WHY WAS ALL THIS MOTIVE EVIDENCE covered up?
| by Anonymous | reply 91 | June 10, 2019 4:35 AM |
[quote]About Thomas H. Ince's untimely and surprise death at age 42 in 1924. I'd like to accept he died from natural causes, but unresolved to me are:
According to the LA Magazine article, which researched Ince's death and other mysteries, what happened was this: Hearst broke in on Marion Davies fucking Charlie Chaplin. He was followed immediately by Ince and one or two others. Hearst pulled out a gun to threaten Chaplin (not seriously planning to shoot him), Marion grabbed the gun away from him, and she accidentally shot Ince. Hearst went into power mode, directly what would happen. Everyone was well-paid for maintaining the myth of what happened, especially Hedda, who got her Hollywood career out of it. When most of Hollywood (especially Ince's wife) wanted further investigation, Hearst himself let the word get out that he had shot Ince accidentally. His point was to protect Marion Davies. He knew he had the power to keep it from getting anywhere near a trial, but Marion didn't. Her subsequent descent into alcoholism was fed in part by her guilt over having accidentally killed Thomas Ince.
This was in the early 1980s. It was Zazu Pitts' son who spilled the beans on exactly what happened to Thelma Todd, but I can't remember who his source or sources were for the Thomas Ince story.
| by Anonymous | reply 92 | June 10, 2019 7:00 AM |
[quote]Everything I've read on this seems to agree it was just kids or gang members randomly shooting at her on the street for no good reason
Not on the street, but in the parking lot where she and her friend, James Kiernan, had parked. He was shot as well but did not die immediately as Colby did. Kiernan was able to describe the shooting to police before he later died of his wounds. He said that he did not recognize the two men who shot them, and that the shooting had occurred without warning, reason or provocation. No attempt was made to rob them.
Barbara Colby was separated from her husband at the time, Bob Levitt, who was Ethel Merman's son. Merman and Colby were very close, and Ethel was devastated by Colby's death.
| by Anonymous | reply 93 | June 10, 2019 7:07 AM |
Yma Sumac really WAS Amy Camus from Brooklyn, right?
| by Anonymous | reply 94 | June 10, 2019 7:08 AM |
No, r94. That was a rumor that some queen made up.
| by Anonymous | reply 95 | June 10, 2019 7:16 AM |
If R91 could stop frothing at the mouth, he/she might realize that Doris Day's son was named Terry Melcher, not Dennis Day.
| by Anonymous | reply 96 | June 10, 2019 7:24 AM |
R91 is totally off his rocker. Don't listen to him.
| by Anonymous | reply 98 | June 10, 2019 7:26 AM |
[quote]The 'Helter Skelter' race war motive for the Cielo Drive and LaBianco murders was BULLSHIT invented by prosecutor Bugliosi. It was
R91, it was a lucky stroke that he got all the people he sent away for a very long time to agree with his bullshit then, huh?
| by Anonymous | reply 99 | June 10, 2019 1:13 PM |
R40, I grew up watching "Frances Farmer Presents." A friend's mother was on the ladies' bowling team for St. Joan of Arc Church with Frances Farmer. Her affect was always... unusual. But if she had a lobotomy, she got through it and came out at a very high level of functioning. Something was going on, but was it really lobotomy? I could easily accept that she had a number of sessions of ECT.
| by Anonymous | reply 100 | June 10, 2019 1:29 PM |
R90, he looks a lot more like Michael Tell than he does Arnaz, Jr. And there's no reason for him to lie about the DNA test, especially when there is no secret here to hide because Patty kept saying it was Arnaz publicly.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 101 | June 10, 2019 1:36 PM |
Dennis Day was an original Mouseketeer whose body was identified just last week as the body found in his own home. He had been missing for months but his partner, who now resides in a home for the elderly, has dementia and couldn't remember how to contact Day's family. it's been a strange and ongoing story.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 102 | June 10, 2019 1:55 PM |
Not only that, but Day's handyman was apparently also mentally ill and confused. The police didn't even know there WAS family until someone related to him saw a news article months after Day went missing. Sounds like Day was taking care of both of them and when he went missing, no one was there to help him.
But yeah, the excitable boy upthread who thinks Terry Melchior is Dennis Day needs to maybe look a few things up before he posts next time.
| by Anonymous | reply 103 | June 10, 2019 2:58 PM |
R102 Not a very happy looking Mouseketeer.
| by Anonymous | reply 104 | June 10, 2019 3:24 PM |
Why the hell would Patty deny that Tell was the son after DNA tests proved that he was...I don't think she ever got things back together mentally as much as she would have liked people to believe.
| by Anonymous | reply 105 | June 10, 2019 5:26 PM |
RR105, Met Patty Duke when she was doing the TV movie about her life. Appeared she was doing her very best to maintain strong control over her emotions and her life. Told her that I had a loved one with a similar illness and she was very sympathetic.
| by Anonymous | reply 106 | June 10, 2019 6:04 PM |
No lobotomy for Frances.....made up by William Arnold for his book SHADOWLAND.... The case was sad enough. People who had the surgery rarely made a recovery to live a normal life - Frances Farmer was an alcoholic and could be a mean lady, but she also was on television live six days a week, did a lot of personal appearances, and did plays in Indy and at Purdue University.
No way a lobotomized person could do that. She had a strange way of talking and was reserved.....but William Arnold lied to sell books.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 107 | June 10, 2019 6:30 PM |
Here is a short film of Frances in 1962.....unfortunately it is silent.....Frances appears at about 5:35 interviewing the contest winner.
She is not a robot nor does she have "dead eyes" as Arnold says.....
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 108 | June 10, 2019 6:34 PM |
R108 was Miss de Pauw any relation to Francine Fishpaw?
| by Anonymous | reply 109 | June 11, 2019 1:14 AM |
Probably a second or third cousin by marriage R109.
| by Anonymous | reply 110 | June 11, 2019 2:13 PM |
R46, the rumor about the Gish sisters is a complete fantasy by noted fuck head Kenneth Anger. I've seen not a whit of evidence, and I've studied them for 3 decades.
| by Anonymous | reply 111 | June 11, 2019 2:16 PM |
Thelma Todd's murder was solved:
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 112 | June 11, 2019 2:18 PM |
[quote] Did Terri really hire that stingray to take out Steve?
No, it was Bindi.
"I'm tired of being shunted aside! This time it's for me... for me!"
| by Anonymous | reply 113 | June 11, 2019 2:18 PM |
She, then, ate her guilt, R113.
| by Anonymous | reply 114 | June 11, 2019 2:22 PM |
R20 My guess is Angela Lansbury. Does it have to be man?
| by Anonymous | reply 116 | June 11, 2019 2:57 PM |
[QUOTE]Did Clark Gable really kill someone in a drunken driving accident that MGM had hushed up?
YES, in 1936
[QUOTE]Were Lillian and Dorothy Gish really ever an incestuous couple?
That was the rumor.
[QUOTE]Did Richard Burton really rape Eddie Fisher?
NO
[QUOTE]Did Paul Lynde really push that hustler off the fire escape to his death?
NO. Lynde was devastated by the death.
| by Anonymous | reply 117 | June 11, 2019 9:31 PM |
R112
Not by your post it wasn't. Officially it's still open. Allegedly Roland West confessed on his death bed back in 1952 that he had killed her but not intentionally. She got home very late, later than she had told him she would be; the two had a horrible fight that became physical and he beat the shit out of her. He was so mad that he didn't want her in the apartment (that) the two shared and he threw her out after the beating. She went to the garage to stay the night in her car and turned over the engine for heat. West locked her in so that she wouldn't bang on the doors and windows any longer and she asphyxiated .
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 118 | June 11, 2019 9:43 PM |
I still wonder about the very short marriage of Renee Zellweger and Kenny Chesney. Was it failed beard arrangement?
| by Anonymous | reply 120 | June 11, 2019 10:20 PM |
R118 is pretty close to the truth as related by Thelma's best friend, Zasu Pitts. Thelma had been at a party that (Saturday) night, without Roland West. When they got back, there was indeed a fight over the fact that she had been partying so much. Thelma told him she was also invited to another afternoon party on Sunday, and "maybe I'll just go ahead and go to it now." She went up the steps and opened the garage door and got into her car and started it. She was drunk, and so was West. He followed her up the stairs, and shut the garage door to stop her from leaving. Then he went back down to their apartments above the cafe and went to sleep. Thelma, being drunk, was overcome almost immediately by the fumes and was too out of it to turn the car off and get out and open the door.
Roland was horrified when he discovered her dead the next morning. He immediately called Nicholas Schenck, the head of Loew's (which owned MGM, where West was under contract. West wanted to call the cops, but he knew far too much about dirty studio dealings in Caliente (Mexico) and West and Louis B Mayer couldn't allow him to talk to cops or risk him being called to testify in a trial, so they maneuvered the situation to protect him.
Unexplained was the fact that someone showed up several times on Sunday, dressed in Thelma's same dress from Saturday and driving her roadster - at a Christmas tree lot, a malt stand, and called the woman who was throwing the party. (Thelma's body wasn't officially "discovered" till Monday morning). There were rumors that Schenck and Mayer enlisted West's ex-wife, Jewel Carmen, who resembled Thelma (and in fact, lived further up the hill from them) to impersonate her, but this was never more than conjecture.
Picture is of Jewel Carmen
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 121 | June 11, 2019 10:24 PM |
Did Elliott Smith really commit suicide?
| by Anonymous | reply 124 | June 11, 2019 10:26 PM |
Was Magdalena Montezuma REALLY the meanest spic in pictures?
| by Anonymous | reply 125 | June 11, 2019 10:30 PM |
Jackie Coogan's participation in the San Jose lynchings.
| by Anonymous | reply 126 | June 11, 2019 10:30 PM |
Not really vintage gossip, but there are theories that Marlon Brando may have been Courtney Love's grandfather.
| by Anonymous | reply 127 | June 11, 2019 10:33 PM |
R128 In 1933, Brooke Hart, a friend of Coogan's was kidnapped for ransom. Hart's family owned a very popular department store in San Jose and people loved the Hart family. Hart's body was found and two men were arrested and a mob overtook the jail and got the men out. The men were lynched across the street. Coogan was rumored to have been involved and supposedly prepared a noose.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 129 | June 11, 2019 11:16 PM |
Virginia Rappe didn't die of a septic abortion, or of a bladder that was perforated during an abortion.
If she'd really had an abortion, and if something had been punctured, she wouldn't have been out attending parties and meeting fading fat movie stars! She'd have been in the fucking hospital!
| by Anonymous | reply 130 | June 11, 2019 11:41 PM |
I read a book about the lynchings, r129, and it didn't say anything about any involvement with Jackie Coogan.
| by Anonymous | reply 131 | June 11, 2019 11:57 PM |
Did Dottie Kilgallen really overdose by accident?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 132 | June 12, 2019 12:04 AM |
[quote]She'd have been in the fucking hospital!
Or in her case, in the hospital, fucking. Virginia Rappe was a whore and everyone knew it. Fatty had nothing to do with her death. But Bambina Maude Delmont did.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 133 | June 12, 2019 12:04 AM |
Everybody at DL knows Dorothy Kilgallen got too close in the JFK case and that's why she was offed.
| by Anonymous | reply 134 | June 12, 2019 12:07 AM |
R133, Info on Bambina Maude Delmont please.
| by Anonymous | reply 135 | June 12, 2019 12:07 AM |
R131 Historians and others have argued about whether Coogan participated in the lynch mob or not. The media did put smudges on the faces of people photographed at the lynchings in order to protect the identities of those involved.
| by Anonymous | reply 137 | June 12, 2019 2:39 AM |
Thanks, R118. I pasted the incorrect article.
| by Anonymous | reply 138 | June 12, 2019 2:43 AM |
Fatty literally fucked the piss out of Rappe.
I'd still be the first one to buy a ticket for Chris Christie's one man show: Whale of a Guy: The Fatty Arbuckle Story.
| by Anonymous | reply 139 | June 12, 2019 2:45 AM |
R139, fuck you. Arbuckle was exonerated, and with the apologies of the judge for the frame that was the indictment. You're full of shit.
| by Anonymous | reply 141 | June 12, 2019 3:55 AM |
[quote]Did Elliott Smith really commit suicide?
Inconclusive autopsy, could have been murdered, investigation remains open.
| by Anonymous | reply 142 | June 12, 2019 4:07 AM |
^ I think he was murdered. His girlfriend was very sketchy. The whole thing was sketchy. I do think.he was a very depressed person but he was getting his life together at that point.
| by Anonymous | reply 143 | June 12, 2019 10:20 AM |
Was Vera Charles ever in the chorus?
| by Anonymous | reply 144 | June 12, 2019 4:08 PM |
Did Gloria Upson ever finish the ping pong match?
| by Anonymous | reply 145 | June 13, 2019 12:29 AM |
R105 eventually she did come to believe the DNA test that Michael tell was indeed Sean astin's dad
| by Anonymous | reply 146 | June 13, 2019 3:32 AM |
Who killed Karyn Kupcinet?
Was it her boyfriend? Or Hope Lange's weird brother? Or an unknown intruder? Or was it just a bizarre mishap?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 147 | June 13, 2019 3:51 AM |
I know it’s technically solved but I’d love to know more about the murder of Mickey Rooney’s wife.
There’s not much info about it online but there are some interesting connections between her lover who killed her & then himself and the Marković affair.
| by Anonymous | reply 148 | June 13, 2019 5:18 AM |
R148 Delon is such a right wing sleaze bag. Always feel like showering, not in a good way, after watching him.
| by Anonymous | reply 150 | June 13, 2019 5:34 AM |
Karyn Kupcinet's boyfriend - whom her parents always thought had killed her, though there was zero evidence that he had, was actor Andrew Prine, who had a bit of a career in the late 60s and 70s, and showed off his enormous cock in one of those Playgirl (or was it Cosmo?) centerfolds in the mid-1970s.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 151 | June 14, 2019 5:41 AM |
The Fatty Arbuckle thing.
| by Anonymous | reply 152 | June 23, 2019 4:06 PM |
I love this thread. At least three "unresolved Hollywood scandals and tragedies" that beguiled me for decades have been conclusively settled in my mind now. Thank you!
| by Anonymous | reply 153 | June 23, 2019 4:10 PM |
Andrew Prine can murder me with that big cock.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 154 | June 23, 2019 4:20 PM |
Was Miss Mae West really a man? And did she steal her entire act from Bert Savoy?
| by Anonymous | reply 155 | June 23, 2019 4:39 PM |
