Gay men (not as much gay women) hate the trans movement, hate using they/them pronouns, or hate anything other than their gaining their basic civil rights because they feel so insecure about their relationship to society in general. Anything new that comes along that might threaten their tenuous state is potentially frightening.
You'd think gay men might be more tolerant of others who are now facing the same battles we have faced, and continue to face.
Then again, maybe it's not gay men as much as Datalounge men.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | April 1, 2023 6:28 PM |
If you don’t fight for your own rights, then no one else will do it for you. Please fuck off with your Trans bullshit aka gay erasure and TIM sexual fetishist insanity.
| by Anonymous | reply 2 | March 26, 2023 9:41 PM |
Some lesbians have commented on how they were alongside the gays in the AIDS fight. But the gays haven’t necessarily been so committed to the fight for reproductive freedom. They’re right.
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | March 26, 2023 9:44 PM |
You're one of the anti-trans trolls, I'm guessing, pretending to be a gay man who is angry at all the gays on Datalounge. Well, little lady, I hate to break it to you, but I'd bet over half the accounts on here aren't even owned by gays.
Notice I said accounts, not people. Probably over half of the people who post to DL are gay, but the gays aren't making 100 sockpuppets each, it's the straights like you who do that. That means we're often overwhelmed by straight folks pretending to be 16 different people on one thread, and while I can tell Mediapolis doesn't give a shit about it, I personally am not keen on taking the blame for what a bunch of straight trolls (like you) do on here.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | March 26, 2023 9:48 PM |
Hope you’re right, R4, because this anti-trans obsession depresses me.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | March 26, 2023 9:50 PM |
A lot of us gay men dislike the most radical extremists in the trans movement (as opposed to ordinary, truly trans women and men) precisely because of what they’re trying to do to our lesbian sisters. Eat a bag of girldicks, OP.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | March 26, 2023 9:50 PM |
No one cares about gay men, so I don’t care about anyone else
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | March 26, 2023 9:54 PM |
I was there during AIDS. It was mostly gay men helping; sure there were some individual lesbians who were really great, but actually more straight people were helping. The only lesbians I personally encountered in activist groups were complaining about the lack of funding for dental dams, despite them being the least at risk group. This 'it was mostly lesbians helping during the AIDS crisis' is nearly as much a myth as the 'transwomen of color started the Stonewall Riots' one.
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | March 26, 2023 9:54 PM |
I’ve been listening to the Witch Trials of JK Rowling.
Honestly, she’s gotten a bad rap. Part of it is because she spoke up at a time when trans were being brutally attacked from the right and her tweets were conflated as more attacks.
Her point is, in the UK you can apparently declare whatever gender you choose, without undergoing any medical treatment. That makes it easy for unscrupulous men to enter women’s spaces such as prisons and domestic violence shelters, where they can victimize women. (She comes at it as someone who was abused… by a spouse… and sexually assaulted.)
She’s very supportive of trans rights. Just thinks there need to be sensible guardrails to protect (biological) women.
The idea that we need to shut her down is chilling, even if we don’t agree. She’s NOT anti-trans.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | March 26, 2023 10:01 PM |
Oh my GOD you're tedious, OP.
If you want to preach, find a church.
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | March 26, 2023 10:09 PM |
Most gay men don't have a problem with trans people - they have a problem with the almost religious ideology, having our past and achievements usurped and being told what to think and say by rabid TRAs and gender freaks. Most of that shit probably doesn't even come from transpeople and just from white-knights.
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | March 26, 2023 10:18 PM |
No, OP, it’s just you we don’t like.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | March 26, 2023 10:20 PM |
Get in line, trans people!
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | March 26, 2023 10:24 PM |
R8, Lesbian/bi radfems and "political lesbians" have been spreading this myth for quite sometime now, it’s usually in the context of trying to guilt gay men into supporting their views and saying that we haven’t done enough for them/women. As if gay men are supposed to somehow fix all the problems of the female population. Interesting to see them using the same tactics as trans and their myths about Stonewall. They’re two sides of the same coin, really.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | March 29, 2023 2:41 AM |
If you dye your hair blue and then cry oppression that’s on you.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | March 29, 2023 2:47 AM |
Why would gays fight for a group that has an agenda to eradicate same-sex attraction and sexual orientation through altering gender concepts?
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | March 29, 2023 2:47 AM |
I’m so tolerant—I’m pro-trans, pro-ex-gay, pro-transracialist. People here mock and demean both ex-gays and transracialists. It’s pure hypocrisy. This is the world we live in now and all should be included.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | March 29, 2023 2:50 AM |
[quote]I was there during AIDS. It was mostly gay men helping; sure there were some individual lesbians who were really great, but actually more straight people were helping. The only lesbians I personally encountered in activist groups were complaining about the lack of funding for dental dams, despite them being the least at risk group. This 'it was mostly lesbians helping during the AIDS crisis' is nearly as much a myth as the 'transwomen of color started the Stonewall Riots' one.
It’s why we need to drop acronyms, including “LGB”. Gays and lesbians do not have shared experiences, we do not.
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | March 29, 2023 3:46 AM |
I think it's DataLounge men more than gay men.
I was confused for a while because of the prevalence of anti-transgender hatred here into thinking this is pervasive among gay people, but I've only encountered a few gay people in real life who seem to disregard transgender rights and fear trans people. One of them was Andrew Sullivan, who frankly seems like a typical DLer these days, even though DL is vicious about him.
This site has been taken over by pro-Trump, pro-Putin trolls, anyway, so I don't think it is safe to assume that actual gay men are predominant here any longer.
But to your overall point, OP, I share your sentiments.
Growing up gay in the 80s (kid) and 90s (teen), I felt and observed a lot of overt hatred for gay men. I always particularly resented women and black people who were hateful toward gay men because women and black people have been dehumanized and have had to fight for their civil rights. And I always felt that empathy often is created by shared experiences—so how can you be a black American who is still fighting to be treated decently under the law and according to social norms and determine that another group of people are subhuman and not worth equal rights? Of course, the explanation comes down to the evil institution of Christianity, but the explanation is not good enough.
Society has come a LONG way with respect to accepting gay people, even though we are definitely being drawn backward right now.
Gay people who don't support full equality both legally and in how people are treated individually as human beings are as hypocritical as the most hypocritical Republican Christian and there's no valid excuse to be made for it. It's ignorant and short sighted and karma will punish us for it.
I do not accept anyone claiming oppression and victimhood for being treated as subhuman while viewing others as subhuman and wanting to cause them harm.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | March 29, 2023 8:37 AM |
[quote]A lot of us gay men dislike the most radical extremists in the trans movement (as opposed to ordinary, truly trans women and men)
Ah yes, R6. The "radical extremists" compared to the "good ones" - way to go RECYCLING BIGOTRY AGAINST GAYS. Here's an article/opinion from 1979 saying THE EXACT SAME THING YOU ARE except it's against gays fighting for basic rights to exist openly. That's right, 1979, c'mon man.
[bold]"Obviously unrepresentative homosexual extremists have strained sympathies[/bold] by their demands that homosexuality be accepted as an alternative lifestyle"
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 21 | March 29, 2023 10:26 AM |
I just remind myself that if the anti-trans posters here are authentic, they are sad husks of humans who are really pretty miserable with themselves, because stable, content people don’t look for reasons to malign vulnerable groups. They just don’t.
If they want to hold onto their hatred, it will eat them alive. I hope that doesn’t happen but, if it does, I won’t miss them.
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | March 29, 2023 12:13 PM |
[Quote] if the anti-trans posters here are authentic, they are sad husks of humans who are really pretty miserable
Sane gays (pro-sex binary reality) I know are attractive and have nice lives.
Unlike anti-reality he/him gays (pro-delusion like T) - pathetic or downright miserable-looking.
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | March 29, 2023 12:25 PM |
R19, Right, and a lot of lesbians and bisexuals are homophobic too. So "LGB drop the T" makes no more sense than any other bastardised version of this acronym
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | April 1, 2023 6:02 PM |
Gay men are annoying narcissists. No shit...
| by Anonymous | reply 25 | April 1, 2023 6:04 PM |
Trans people aren't fighting for the "same rights" that we did.
Go dilate.
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | April 1, 2023 6:06 PM |
Yes they are, R24. I don’t believe in “LGBT” at all. It’s just a money making scheme. We are individuals, and do not have shared experiences. The fact that I, a gay male is lumped in with lesbians aggravates me, and most definitely vice-versa. “LGBT” causes more dissension and division than as individual communities, the gay community, the lesbian community, etc.
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | April 1, 2023 6:09 PM |
Everyone should oppose the trans movement, especially homosexuals & females.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | April 1, 2023 6:10 PM |
Trans and nonbinaries make things ten times harder for gays and lesbians.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | April 1, 2023 6:10 PM |
It's this fad of "queer" teens thinking they're in the wrong body and being brainwashed to change their gender by rearranging parts that is appauling. I am thoroughly convinced by the behavior demonstrated by too many that same sex attraction = "I must be the wrong gender". Their solution is to change their gender, which of course is just a farce because they'll always be male or female as they were born and all the plastic surgery in the world isn't going to change that.
We also have the parents who have convinced their children they're a special snowflake all their lives and when they realize they're nothing special, they need to feel special, so they call themselves "queer", do idiotic things with piercings and hair dye like the goth fad 20 years ago, and then demand everyone call them something they're not.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | April 1, 2023 6:15 PM |
I, a gay male, who was born a male, do not care what you do about your gender if that's what you feel YOU need to do.
Do not tell others what pronouns they need to use and muddy the waters of common sense.
I am not cis, I am not nonbinary, I am 100% biologically a male, and don't need to identify as anything else other than what I was born as.
I'll say it again, I thank God none of this nonsense was being spewed back in the late 70s and early 80s when I was a confused gay boy.
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | April 1, 2023 6:18 PM |
Correct me if I'm out of the loop, but didn't all this 'children in the wrong body' start up with Angelina Jolie's claim her daughter wanted to be her son? Now the daughter seems to be the daughter. All these influencers anxious to increase their 'influence' latched onto that and stage-mothers-in-waiting decided their kids were born in the wrong bodies.
I know a woman who has a trans-son. She's like a stage mother on steroids, anxious to be a star in Influencerland. Makes me wonder if some of the mothers promoting this aren't suffering from Munchhausen Syndrome by Proxy but instead of making their kids sick to get attention for themselves, they're claiming their kids are trans.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | April 1, 2023 6:28 PM |
