Aunt Jordan Causes Havock for the Newmans and Genoa City

Aunt Jordan seems to be a master of disguise and a master at getting past security guards.

She stalking Nikki, eluding police and doing all sorts of crazy things. The woman is certifiable!

Bravo to Aunt Jordan for spicing things up in Genoa City and making the place interesting once again.

And bravo to a great second act for our Colleen.

Link to the previous Y&R thread.

Does Summer know what her father, grandparents and aunt went through? Shouldn't the Newmans be protective of their entire family? Geez I forgot Abby and Adam. Mel's drunk act is camp heaven. Would Nikki exchange herself for a granddaughter who set in motion the plan to hook her back on booze? Where was Newman Security (again) when Nikki ditched Vic at the jazz joint?

Wonder if Jordan and Tucker will team up to get revenge of the Newmans and the Abbotts.

The only thing Jordan is teaming up with is a semi-automatic handgun.

What a BORING ep today. No Jordan and Flask Nikki. Instead we get the 60 year old teen Lucy, and the ick-ish Cricket and Gay Danny. Devon and Abby must not have a chef at the manse, since they take all their meals in The Athletic Club. Gee, for 2 people hoping not to run into Tucker, you'd think they'd go through a drive thru - or Abby's own restaurant.

Why on earth would they decide to show the episode where Kevin burns down Gina's (AGAIN) due to the schedule change next Friday? .. I don't think there's anything within that 2003 episode that's relevant to what's going on today. .. And it's certainly not a holiday episode.

They should have dug deeper and thought about showing us one from 1983 where Eve thinks her plan to kill Victor has come to pass, and she's got his coffin on his bed at the Newman Ranch preparing for his funeral; or maybe the one where that whole caper came to end, and Eve's cohort Max is impaled by a pitchfork out in the Newman barn. Feeling sorry for totally delusional Eve, Victor has her sent to a private sanitarium rather than arrested for attempted murder.

btw - Who's silk robe was more gay today? ... LaBaldwin's or RockOn's ?? .. And Brian Ferry? I'm surprised it wasn't Liberace's!

It was discussed on the previous thread how badly Maura West was treated at Y&R during her short stint as Diane Jenkins. MW is now good friends with Michelle Stafford. Was that always the case?

[quote]J Eddie looks too thin these days. Is he on Ozempic or is he sick. Also that gray streak in his hair isn't doing him any favors.

He looks great for 65 (I had no idea he was born in 1958).

When they cast adult Cole, they wanted him to look an age that was something in between Mel and Miss Heather, since he'd soon be banging both mother and daughter. .. They also wanted an actor who looked like he might be Victor's spawn, since that possibility was still on the table.

R7 That probably happened during The Staff's time at GH.

They likely also met earlier at one of those Emmy Lunches that the ladies were having - at least they were around 10-15 years ago.

When Maura was on Y&R, one her best buddies was Muhney. Michael and his wife, Jaime, helped Maura and Scott settle into L.A., and the couples and their kids would get together for pool parties and BBQs. .. Then, post-firing, MM dropped MW into his drama with EB, and they weren't.

Merry Christmas, my darling.

With the guide using the term "ultimate showdown," who breaks their hip first? .. Nikki or Jordan?

I want to sniff Connor Floyd's pits and nuts

He spells it "Conner," and check out the recent video of him and his two buddies who will be running in the upcoming L.A. Marathon for charity.

Conner's shown doing sit-ups with the camera right up in his thighs. Too bad the shorts he's wearing are black.

Maybe he should wear a jockstrap during the run and auction that off for charity after the race.

"Oh c'mon Jack, it'll be a cold day in hell before I feel sorry for that old bag!"

Happy Holidays from Jill and Kay, off to exchange some Christmas presents at Wiley's and Fenmores!

Interesting that Jack doesn't know any of the history of how Kay killed Phillip.

(Video 1984)

Aunt Jordan is an amateur.

I pumped four bullets into the bitch, and by the time I was done with her, Nikki looked like Goldie Hawn in Death Becomes Her.

R7 Rumors were that Michelle didn't become particularly close with Maura until they were both on GH, which was still a while after Michelle was there (Maura joined GH a year before Michelle). Maura's such a good actress that it seems other actresses aren't exactly welcoming of her initially; Laura Wright, for example, was not too happy when Maura first came to GH. Maybe someone else can elaborate, but that seemed to be the case when Maura came from. a defunct ATWT to Y&R, that certain actresses at Y&R weren't too fond of her

R11 Right, those infamous Emmy lunches 😆 all smiles before Emmy night when one gets the win

When did Nikki have those multiple hair extensions applied before her confrontation with Jordan?

PLEASE let Aunt Jordan out of jail on a technicality so that she can continue to terrorize Nikki! That's some of the best stuff this show has done in years.

Maybe she can do viewers a favor and kill off Nikki and Victor?

It’s time the actors got their gold watches and went off into the sunset.

Who got fired to pay for Aunt Jordan's elaborate home and impressively dilapidated cabin sets?

They can't write Aunt Jordan off. Maybe she could have a twin, a [italic]good[/italic] twin. Maybe a FTM twin named Uncle Gordon.

Anything. Just don't send Colleen Zenk away ever.

R30 Dougie hasn't been on the show for three years. They got rid of Noah and Allie not long before they played Linden Ashby in his 15 episodes, so maybe they're still working off that payroll. Aunt Jordan's got 13 episodes.

Did Faith come home for Christmas?

One of the ways they could have extended Jordan's run is if they'd actually killed her off, and then have her return as a "figment" in Claire's imagination. They did that with Rick Hearst's "Carter Mills - Matt Clark" character with him continually appearing to screwball Tricia Dennison. Being in Tricia's head, she was the only one who could see Carter, talk to hm, etc. It was great fun. Sinister but with a dose of humor. Sometimes Tricia would tell Carter to fuck off, or she might slam a door in his face to get rid of him, but then he'd appear already in the room on the other side. Victor had Tricia on CCTV at the Penthouse and there she was talking to Carter, but of course there was no one else in the video. Claire might be more interesting as nutcase.

Is she done? They’re crazy to let her go.

The show is otherwise so inert.

It was refreshing to see Colleen Zenk acting again. She could always go to one of the other three soaps

Maybe Jordan will become another indestructible Sheila.

Y&R got rid of all of their breakdown writers, that freed up a ton of cash.

Yesterday I watched the episode where 2 characters had a flashback to dancing at some concert. It was embarrassingly bad - the 2 of them in front of what was clearly a green screen. Don’t attempt this if it’s going to look so fake.

Yes, I blanked on their names, R40. I haven’t watched the show in years so I’m not familiar with the newer actors. Thanks.

Is there a more asexual soap actor than Michael Damian?

Phyllis trying to entice Danny into having sexy times with her was fucking hilarious.

I have never been a YR fan but the 12/26 episode was great and Zenk has been a shot in the arm this show desperately needed.

The two things Griffith should do to stir up the show is

(1) Bring on a few actual young and restless teens

and

(2) Mine more history. There should be a story with Casey - either Casey is dying or something happens to her. They can have another younger person (Casey's son) come onto the canvas, much like Claire.

Judith Chapman seems to have had a recent facelift. Tight as a snare drum.

[quote] Mine more history. There should be a story with Casey.

The character of Casey probably would have been played now again over the years, but Leighton's face has been problematic for some 25 years now. Even back in 1998, when Nikki nearly died from Veronica shooting her, and Casey returned to town to see her dying sister, viewers were shocked at what Leighton had done to herself. It's hard to pay attention to any acting when looking at her, and even more difficult to imagine a very practical, no-nonsense medical doctor like Casey Reed doing something like that to herself. You'll notice she hasn't appeared in any episodes since then.

R46 Yikes! Just looked up Roberta Leighton on Google. Hopefully her face has "settled" by now. Terrible plastic surgery.

R47 No. It hasn't. Mel convinced Roberta to come to the 50th Anniversary Party earlier this year. It's sad. And just think what it would look like in soap opera closeups shot in hi-def.

Yikes! Can't Roberta Leighton sue for the butcher job she got?

why don't they just recast Kasey?

She appears to think she looks good after watching, R48’s video.

Roberta looks like something out of Star Trek.

Kevin (trying really hard not to act like Leo Stark has come to Genoa City): "This particular bottle arrived just before you did. It's from Scotty, who's sorry he couldn't be here."

Lauren (trying not to let on that she doesn't even know where Scotty is): "Ahhhhh .. And Fen and Trey can't be here either, but they send their love."

Michael (thinking to himself): "Looking at their social media, I'm surprised Trey can even walk, let alone travel!"

.

Gaskill coming to Y&R.

Ho hum. At least he doesn't have that bad bottle blond look any more.

R54, “My baby” will stray?

Victor Newman hires the WORST security.

R55, Nikki hasn’t had a good dicking since Arturo.

Brian Gaskill's role on YR is supposedly crossing paths with Nikki, so maybe he'll be dicking her down next.

They'd definitely need to recast Casey.

Unlike the dude who played Victor's brother, Roberta Leighton hasn't aged well.

Personally, I don't think it would be worth the PR hassle to recast Casey. .. She's a well-liked, sentimental character, and old-time viewers would probably balk at a recast, which would then lead into social media discussions about how bad Leighton looks (just like we're having here). Kind of a lose-lose situation.

At this point, the character is fairly inconsequential, so I don't think it would be worth opening that can up. .. Just let it be. .. Moreover, do we really need another 70-year female on the scene?

Gaskill is a little young at 53 to be romantically involved with Nikki. I predict he’ll be a bad guy in his storyline though.

R62 Yeah, and YR doesn't seem to be able to write anything for any guy over 40 on that show that isn't "mustache twirling villain".

TSJ, Burgi/Newman, and now Gaskill.....

It was nice to see the repeat Dec. 29th episode. John Enos, (Bobby Marsino) ,on my screen was a very pleasant surprise.

John Enos was such a hot fucker.

Gaskill's age isn't the problem, Nikki was banging a much younger Arturo and also hooked-up with a younger Deacon Sharpe during their alcoholic affair. It has more to do with a romance occurring between two AA members; that just isn't very creative and has been done to death. Hopefully, they've come up with something other than that triteness.

from the article in r68:

[quote]Bell has played villain Christine "Cricket" Williams on The Young and the Restless for 40 years.

Who wrote the article, Phyllis?

Everyone knows The Bug is the real villain in Genoa City.

Everything bad that happens in Genoa City is because of The Bug.

LOL - I didn't even notice that they called her a villain.

Somewhere, Terry Lester is cackling.

Judi Evans as the new Casey. Make it happen!

Casey is supposed to be the older sister not the younger one.

R72 Not a bad idea.

Over the years, several pundits suggested Zimmer for that, but I can't imagine MTS would let scenery chewing Zimmer within 20 miles of the studio.....

I would tune back in to see Evans or Zimmer.

Arturo was so hot.

Brendad Ickson is NuCasey!

All this recast talk makes me miss the Scoche Marin troll. A little.

R77 noooo. Don't summon that thing.

Is Havock as bad as Havoc?

R80, It’s that special “k”.

[quote] Brendad Ickson is NuCasey!

Pass that torch Roberta! BFF BrendaD is ready.

Did someone ask for Havoc?

Playing old episodes like these ones from 2003, always points to the fact that Y&R needs to do and/or pay whatever is necessary to get back to using their classic music cues.

R84, I couldn’t agree more!

I agree about the music cues. I suppose they think that’s a dated concept.

What tepid follow up eps after Aunt Jordan. Moon faced Claire laying in a hospital bed, Old Lady Lucy trying to bring her parents together, Cricked and Danny putting everyone to zzzzzz's.

Anything for Slaystack? She could be Nina's long lost mother. They both have that same pig face. 🐽

I want an Aunt Jordann in prison sl. Slee could play the Warden, a sadistic guard or a butch inmate. There's a breakout and homes in GC are overrun. Cricket is brutally murdered. The Newman ranch fortress is overrun. Nick and Adam are made sex slaves. Chance is tortured, shirtless. Victor comes in, belchs and saves the day.

Sleestak is retired now. She had some bad face twitching tic when she was on some video thing a while back.

Carlivati has hinted he'd like Sleestak on Days to play Marlena's grandmother.

Summer wants Chance’s cock so bad.

[quote]Summer wants Chance’s cock so bad.

Don't we all.

We need flashbacks of Chance & Adam's flip-flop in Vegas.

Looking back, squeezing around that last chair is awkward.

Was that intended?

R96 That set had a lot of big furniture in a small space. As the photo shows, by the time they got six actors in it, they basically had to stand still. Complicating movement matters, there's apparently little if any time for blocking or rehearsal these days, and actors are expected to perform in one take.

February Sweeps:

Fen finds Chance's profile on Chaturbate. Hilarity ensues.

I would rather fellatio ensue, r98.

Let's see ... We've had Cameron kidnap Faith, and Jordan kidnap Nikki.

To complete the trilogy I'd suggest Carmine return and kidnap FenMo.

While Carmine has Fen tied to a bed doing all kinds of unspeakable things to him, the Baldwin-Fisher brothers and boyfriend, Trey, argue over who gets to go in and sacrifice themselves as a replacement for Fen.

Too late! .. By the time they all burst in at once, we learn Fen has decided to stay with Carmine, and the duo has taken off together, with Fen having provided the password to empty one of Lauren's large bank accounts.

We'll catch up with them in a few months for Round 2 during May sweeps.

[quote]R97 Complicating movement matters, there's apparently little if any time for blocking or rehearsal these days, and actors are expected to perform in one take.

Dear god, that’s such bullshit. I guess they want to keep costs down so shows can stay on the air - but I wouldn’t want my dramatic entrance blocked by a stupid ladder backed chair!

R89 Nina’s mother has already been established. Flo played by Sharon Farrell in the 90s.

R102 Sadly, Farrell died in 2023, so if the character were to reappear, she would have to be recast.

R103 unlikely. Tricia is barely on. Really just comes to visit Chance every now and then. I’d love to see her come back ft and drop some of the other dead weight characters, but probably not in the cards. So no use for Flo to return.

Anything for Faux Silver?

I found Sharon's dream pretty entertaining. The first time Tessa broke out into song was campy fun, and the Sharon-Nick-Phyllis-Billy sit-com complete with canned audience laughter was also fun.

The one thing that was distracting, though, was Case's hair. That glow lighting they used for the dream made her extensions look like a messy rat's nest. They looked horrible. I could actually see places where they're tied in. The studio hair crew should have realized this and chosen to style her hair differently. The product in it looked greasy as well.

So with Sharon breaking up with Chance at the end and unsure about Nick, what's next for her? This year the character will have been around for 30 years. She's still relatively popular (I guess), but pouring coffee and dishing out advice at Crimson Lights is gettin' real old. At this point, I'm not sure what I'd do with this character. Perhaps reconnect with Nick and have them go on a European honeymoon and relocate to London with Noah for awhile? Perhaps they could both use a rest.

At least Sharon's dream saved us from having to endure the cringe-tastic Bug/Grampy Rock-on "love" scenes.

I'm amazed to hear myself say this, but I'm actually enjoying the Cricket-Danny romance.

Although I will admit, part of my enjoyment is the reinvigorated Phyllis-Cricket rivalry.

The preview shows Cole and Ashley running into each.

I was thinking Ashley would ask, "We were married once, right?"

And if Nikki's trying to keep her drinking a secret, why is she going to places where she's bound to run into someone she knows? Yesterday, she was pouring vodka from a flask at Society, and the preview shows her stumbling around and slurring at the GCAC. No budget for a seedy dive bar? We used to see "Jimmy's."

We need a drunken Nikki to start stripping again

Can you imagine her on those heels, trying free her ta tas from her own Spanx?

We'll update that story and have drunk Nikki get on Chaturbate and become a new GILF star.

A nun could pull Nikki through.

They best rivalry was between Lauren and the fat girl.

I always thought Traci should just sit on Lauren and crush her.

I think she did. Have you seen how skinny Lauren got?

Sharon Wyatt or Anna Holbrook as New Casey.

Sharon Wyatt didn’t appear on screen as Tiffany for Sean’s memorial for a reason. She’s no longer camera ready.

Forget the old women. .. Shouldn't they be casting a NuReed to meet his new sister? .. This show could use a hot guy in his early 20s.

I'm going to Genoa City to meet my sister. She's a famous model. Her name is Cricket. Do you know her?

R121 Sure. JaBottom is fine, but he's now in his 30s. That's why I wrote "early 20s." which is what Reed should be since he supposedly went off to study music in New Hampshire afew years ago after high school. We should have a couple of guys in their 20s. Keep the younger assembly line in gear for the future.

There's not a lot of Young or Restless on this show

R123 Rory Gibson is goodlooking, but his Noah was relatively sleep-inducing. Consider how the actress who plays Audra came alive once they removed her from his orbit. Audra is one of my favorite characters now. And notice how things weren't clicking between Noah and Allie either. ZZZZzzz.

Things could have clicked between Noah and Chance.

Yeah, if MAB had been able to follow-through with her plan, then Noah would be gay, and we would have met his Parisian fuckbuddy.

Scoche Marin is NuCasey, NuMaryWilliams and NuGina. God, the economies of under fives!

^^^ Mary Williams is dead, although put a mustache on her, and she could probably pass for NuVictor. I'm sure she'd be cheaper than EB, and wouldn't ad lib with the "Baby" crap.

The show has no idea what to do with anyone who is young and hot because it would take time away from the sacred elder trio of Victor, Aunt Jack, and Nicki. Even Audra has lost some steam. She seems to have one gear—simpering sexpot—and she’s saddled with the idiotic Jabot takeover storyline.

When did dead ever stop a soap?

R134 Well, of course, but there's no reason to bring back a dead character who'd be in her 90s, when her nearly 70-year old son isn't even in town.

Not sure which was worse today: Braeden's line delivery, or Eileen's makeup.

I heard Aunt Jack refer to Fucker as a "sociopath" today. .. Is that where they're going with Ashley's claim that he blew up in a violent rage over in Paris?

First appearance and all, but this Seth character kind of bugged me and seems 'off' somehow. .. I've learned to be leery when they have King Victor give someone the stink eye.

Ashley's makeup wasn't the only problem. Her hair looked like a rat's nest as well.

It Looks like a mortician does Ashley's makeup. ⚰️

I wonder if Griffith is reconsidering not having breakdown writers?

In Tuesday's episode, James Harmon Brown's name is inserted in between Jeff Beldner's name and that of scriptwriter, Lynn Martin. In the past, that's where the breakdown writer of the episode was credited. .. Brown last worked for Griffith at Y&R between October 2019 and February 2021, so he wasn't on staff when the cull occurred last year.

Oh God, wasn't JHB one of the 2 drunks with Barbara Essenstein, who stunk up GL?

Summer “surprises” Chance on today’s show.

Geez how long was Chance lingering at the bar that Dummer ran back to 'Marqtti' (sp) and loaded up on ties/hankies for him? There is no spark there, and I hate to say this but I really feel Sharon Case was DRUNK during her scenes today. Something is very off with her.

A better story would be, after a couple of drinks at Society, a new hot bartender follows forlorn Chance into the unisex bathroom and give him a real *surprise* in one of the stalls.

We later learn that "Auden" is a lusty slut just like his twin sister, Audra.

R142, Sharon’s stringy hair was unusually thick on today’s show.

Tucker calling out Kyle on his hair gel . . . too funny.

R144 I think Case must have gone in to have her extensions readjusted, which should have been done BEFORE last Friday's stand-alone episode where they looked horrible.

As for her being drunk, R142 ... I notice every once in awhile her voice sounds odd and/or she has some strange facial movements. I think this may be a reaction to whatever ongoing cosmetic work she's availing herself of. -jmho

Adam & Nick's big business presentation to Victor was hilarious. .. "We're keeping EDRF as a boutique. Oh btw, we're changing it's name to Newman Real Ventures." .. Geez, the brothers could have sent Dear Old Dad a text.

Jackie's constant and rather melodramatic obsession over Ashley's love life is always funny, but equally weird. .. I can't imagine a 70-year old man still doing that. .. Maybe he should retire and write an advice column for The Chronicle: "Dear Aunt Jack ... ."

Which man will Audra go for next? .. She's now broken ties with Fucker and stopped pegging JaBottom. .. Who's available and does that matter?

Strange how wardrobe is still dressing Oxford professor, Cole Howard, like he's a ranch hand living in the Tack House (ca. 1993). On another note, for a 65-year old man, J. Eddie Peck has very lovely hands. He must moisturize.

Speaking of Sharon Case's face (above) ... It's funny to think that when Y&R started 45-year old Jeanne Cooper was 7-years younger than Case is now. .. But Kay would soon be called an old bag and be seen obsessing over how she looked and whether Phillip still found her attractive. .. Can you imagine if they'd had Summer say something rude to Sharon about going in for a touch up to keep Chance interested? LOL!

I wish Dummer would say something like that to liven up this snoozefest

R149: I loved that line, too.

"She's been going to those damn AA meetings." .. LOL! .. Victor let's is know how he really feels.

And that tiny flask Nikki drinks from must hold all of two shots. .. At this point, she'd probably need to down half a bottle to feel any effect.

On another note, were Ashley and Audra abducted by space aliens? .. No pick up from Wednesday's end-scene where Ashley told Audra that she's the one she wants to talk to.

I asked for the anal probe

What is the point with any of these non stories? Anti-climax, Audra and Ashley's dull encounter, Claire and Jordan, Nikki and Victor and the creepy stalker sponsor - which is a really shitty thing to show, given how I know the sacrifices AA sponsors make for people. Are we going to see Sharon's launch party for Kiersten? Please tell me it's not going to be at Crimson Lights. Cheap, cheap.

Is the gimp secretary still on? 🩼

R153 The actress who played secretary, "Carol Robbins," (Christopher Templeton) died in 2011.

Didn't Paul have homely Lynn as a fat secretary?

The show phased so many of the “assistant” characters out, likely due to cost cutting - Carol, Lynn, Miguel…. Only Esther has stayed that I can think of.

Esther is there to make the other actors look better than they are.

Esther has a star on Hollywood Blvd.

Lynn was the daughter of someone that worked for the show if I remember correctly.

Another can get a star. Just raise the money.

R158 Paul's lovesick secretary, "Lynne Bassett Hound," as message boards dubbed her, was played by Laura Bryan Birn, daughter of longtime Y&R writer, Jerry Birn, and notable homophobe, who went on to marry Y&R actress, Patty Weaver (Gina Roma). .. Recall, he supposedly told Patty that she couldn't be friends with the likes of Wesley Eure any longer. (It appears, however, that since Birn's death, Patty and Wes have reconnected.)

At some point, Laura tried to cash in on her "Y&R fame" and used to advertise that she was some kind of psychic. She had one of those 900-numbers, with her magazine ads appearing on the same pages as the ones for Dionne Warwick's Psychic Friends Network.

How many times did Chance and Sharon fuck?

Once?

It's pretty hard to fuck when one character resides inside Crimson Lights and the other one has apparently been living out of a car assigned to him by the police department.

I still don't know whose idea it was to make us think that Paul was some kind of sexy guy. He was a f****** dog

It's comforting to know that Paul and Andy have now reunited in Portugal and have a lovely little villa in the countryside with a cute houseboy named Joaquim.

Did they ever give Andy an actual storyline?

Paul had a big, fat dick, and he knew how to use it.

R165 Andy was engaged to Jill, engaged to Diane, had an ex-wife (or two) who showed up… he was also involved with Faren.

R166 Andy had a couple of stories early on. In the beginning, he was a bartender at The Bayou and began a relationship with stripper Nikki. They had to keep it a secret, because it was against the owner's rules for them to be dating. This is also when Edward the psycho-stalker was spying on "sinful" Nikki. During this time, Andy got poisoned by Edward and ending up in the hospital. This is when Nikki looked in Andy's wallet for next-of-kin info and discovered that he was actually married to a woman named Karen. His marriage to Karen was a real mess, because she was an out-of-control nymphomaniac who would have sex with strange guys in their apartment while he was at work. He was in the process of trying to divorce Karen.

Another story had Andy involved with Jill Foster (Deborah Adair). They were actually engaged to be married. Andy was the "stand-up guy" who was going to be good stepfather to her young son, Phillip. But then, Jill saw her chance to reconnect with the wealthy John Abbott again and threw Andy under the bus. As I recall, they only played this former Jill-Andy relationship once after Brenda Dickson came back to the role of Jill. It was when John Abbott knew that Jill had cheated on him, but he didn't know who the man in the picture puzzle was. You could see the guy's butt, but not his face. Jill lied and told John that hot blond ass belonged to her onetime boyfriend-fiance, Andy. John tracked Andy down to check out his butt, and Andy denied it was him: "Why no, Mr. Abbott, my butt is as smooth as my chest. No blond fuzz whatsoever! Do you want to see?"

For a long while Andy and Dianejenkins (Alex Donnelley) were involved. Andy, Diane, Paul, and Lauren were like a "fab four." The main issue with Andy and Diane was that Real Jack wouldn't leave Diane alone, and he was always trying to lure Diane away from Andy. In short, Andy hated Jack, knowing he was just out to use Diane. Caught between the two of them, she opted to leave town altogether.

Andy's biggest story was when he became involved with amnesiac "Faren Connor." They were a very popular couple. Faren had no memory of her past. Lauren stuck her nose in and somehow found out that Faren was actually a woman named "Michelle Sanderson." She had a husband named "Evan" and a young daughter named "Betsy." The mystery involved why Michelle had taken off and gotten in a car accident that caused her memory loss, leading to her seemingly abandoning Evan and Betsy. As I recall, Evan had learned Michelle was having an affair, and had taken off to Europe with Betsy. Since Michelle's disappearance, Evan had hired a nanny named Janet who was crazy in love with him and wanted Evan to divorce Michelle. Due to conflicting stories about what had gone down, there were custody issues involving Betsy. Janet pulled a gun on Michelle/Faren and Evan took a bullet and died. This became Andy's end-story. He and Faren resumed their marriage and decided to move to Pittsburgh to raise Betsy there rather than cause more upset by moving her to Genoa City.

When Andy returned to Genoa City during the story where Paul was commiserating over the "rape" storyline, we learned that Andy and Faren had eventually divorced.

R168 That was all a big cover. One of Patty's early traumas was going down to the basement rec room at the Williams' house and seeing Paul and Andy spit roasting Danny Ravioli on the pool table.

^^^ Real Jack (Lester) came up with that one. He used to call Danny that frequently. .. The two men didn't get along because Danny didn't like how Jack treated Patty. Danny was the good Catholic boy from high school whom Patty dumped when she fell head over heels for the much older Jack. .. And things were tense when Danny moved into the Abbott house during his sham marriage to Traci when she was preggers with Professor Sullivan's baby.

BrendaD just posted a small clip today saying how much she misses Terry:

[quote] The Jack and Jill story ❤ I miss Terry very much, he was very intelligent actor, we just clicked. Have a splendid week.

Mini-spoiler from Tuesday's show ...

While Lauren is talking to Nikki about Nikki's drinking, Lauren relates her own family's experience with FenMo's drug problem and how important having a good sponsor is, telling Nikki that Fen remains close to his sponsor, and that's who Fen & Trey spent Christmas with. .. Hope it was a fun three-way!

For Christ's sake how many of the main characters on this show are alcoholics? Jack, Nikki, Sharon, Neil (R.I.P.), Katherine (also R.I.P.), Paul (?), Michael (?), Lauren (?)???

Also did anyone see that shiny fake plastic looking 60's hair topper Christine was wearing for extra volume a few weeks ago around Christmas/New Year's?

Phyllis is such a toxic narcissistic 55-60 year old high school mean girl who keeps getting way too many passes. Lauren, Jill, Christine, Nina, Sharon and even Diane of all people have changed for the better while Phyllis is still an unbalanced shit stirring drama living witch.

She's one of the few characters who isn't a Newman or Abbott that doesn't have any character development.

Also if memory serves Eve died from malaria or diphtheria after a mosquito bit her. How is Victor or Nikki to blame for that? Jordan (like Josh Griffith) apparently didn't Google past events.

I don't recall Paul, Michael, Lauren, or Sharon ever being alcoholic. .. Billy had alcoholic tendencies when he was a teenager and nearly died from it. He became a bona fide gambling addict, though. .. Jack's substance wasn't alcohol, but rather hillbilly heroin (oxy). He still drinks. .. Traci was addicted to food and black beauties, nearly dying from the latter. .. Fenmore seemed to do whatever drug was available (ecstasy, meth, prescription drugs, etc.) Becoming an addict probably could have been avoided, if Carmine had just fucked him. .. And of course, Daniel was addicted to porn. They'll probably never bring that up again ..lol.

R177 "Daniel was addicted to porn. They'll probably never bring that up again ..lol."

Graz brought it up in an interview once. He said something about keeping a box of Kleenex on the set.

More Chance shirtless, please!

R178 Kind of. .. It was a podcast interview. Graz was addressing how he'd gotten absolutely no input from then EP-HW Lathag on how the story should be played or the direction it was going in, which he thought was important for him to know due to the subject matter, and that it had never been handled on a daytime soap before. But his request to discuss this was ignored, and he got zero.zip.zilch.nada, which is when he jokingly told the interviewer that he half-expected to walk on set one day and see a box of Kleenex next to the computer that Daniel was shown watching the porn on.

R176 Eve died from Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis that she'd gotten while on the cruise she was on when she received Cole's letter about the girl he loved and planned to marry (Victoria). As soon as she arrived in Genoa City to tell Cole about their assumed brother-sister relationship, she fell ill and was hospitalized. She went into a coma, and when she came out of it, she couldn't talk, so never got to tell Cole before dying..

But you're absolutely right. While Victor may have been mean to Eve (who typically deserved it), neither he nor Nikki ever did much to her to incur such vengeful wrath by someone like Aunt Jordan.

In fact, the second time Eve showed up with her co-hort Max, the duo tried to kill Victor by slowly poisoning him, in some convoluted plan for Eve to inherit. Yet, when all was said and done, Victor didn't even have the totally delusional Eve arrested for attempted murder. Instead, he felt sorry for her and had her sent to a private sanitarium for psych treatment.

Also, the first time Eve showed up and was causing trouble in Victor's marriage to Julia -- even though he (correctly) denied that he was Charles' (Cole's) father -- he gave Eve cash to leave town, but also told her to enroll her 6-year old son in the best Swiss boarding school there was, and that he'd pay for the boy's education. Her part was that she would stop going around saying he was the father. She took the deal and exited. .. Years later, that act tied into Victor letting Cole live in The Tack House and work on his writing there, since he felt invested in the young man.

And geez, right before Eve died, she was enjoying herself on a cruise. She obviously wasn't stuck in revenge mode any longer herself.

Can Chance and Summer just hit the sheets already?

CHUMMER have zero chemistry. God they are wasting Conner Floyd. Idiots.

R184, Agreed, but I’ll accept any premise that gives us some Conner Floyd flesh.

I miss the GCAC days, when Chance and Kyle would've been shirtless and showering after a workout.

Show hasn't known what to do with Chance since they brought him back to town three years ago.

R186 True. We used to see guys working out in the GCAC gym routinely. .. And I remember when EP-HW, Jack Smith, introduced a new steamroom set at the club. We'd get guys sitting there shooting the breeze shirtless with only towel wraps on.

Seth ... what a pest!

Gee, we heard Nikki mention her male assistant who let Seth in her office. They should think about casting this secretary with a hot guy who knows steno and can rock a pair of snug slacks.

Tucker and Kyle's bitchfest at Society was rather entertaining. JaBottom's mouth still looks like it needs to be filled with a big cock. .. And what a boring life Fucker must lead. He goes from eating alone at Society to ordering coffee alone at the GCAC bar. Exactly what does he do all day long? Go up to his hotel room and watch daytime soap operas?

Aunt Jack is verklepmt. .. At least they played some history related to his marriage to the pill-popping-vodka-swigging Nikki as well as his own addiction to oxy (which Josh Griffith wrote, ca. 2012). Adding a couple of flashbacks would have been nice, though. .. And when Jackie mentioned Kyle going to the tabloids to expose him, I was reminded that Blake Hood was in the role back then. There was also this twink buddy of Kyle's named "Kieran Donnally" who was Jackie's drug supplier.

Lol about Tucker's daily life. All these business folk who must be making six figures or more, living in a hotel with one bathroom, no separate rooms. Where is all their stuff? I guess tablets cover everything and no need for personal items. Weird, weird way to live.

What do y'all think of the character of Seth??

Soaps need to have gay producers and gay writers.

At least then we see beef

Is Seth the next person to kidnap Nikki? At this rate, she is challenging the number of times Marlena has been abducted on DOOL.

The problem with the present actors for Jack and Jill is that while there is a wealth of footage for flashbacks most of their best character moments were when they were played by Terry Lester and Brenda Dickson.

This is especially evident when they would flashback to Jill and Katherine's feud in the early days and they reused the same 4 or 5 scenes over and over again because 90% of the best moments of their classic feud were with Brenda Dickson in the role.

This problem is going to be twice as bad with Cole and original Ashley and impossible with Cole and Amelia's Victoria (without the use of frankediting).

I wish they would do what a couple of classic soaps did and show the flashback with the previous actor (without obscuring their face) in the role anyways. This was done with humorous effect to Blair in One Life to Live.

Also the flashback romance montages of Brooke and Ridge on B&B with Thorsten Kaye as Ridge was ridiculous because of the hilariously bad editing they used to replace Ronn with Thorsten.

It’s been two decades and I still wish they would fire Amelia Heinle and bring back Heather Tom. Amelia has never really been Victoria to me.

Heather Tom look like she needs her anal glands expressed.

Lauren's been kidnapped no less than SEVEN times:

Shawn Garrett, Sheila Carter, Rush Carrera, Tom Fisher, Shephyllis, Sarah Smythe, Carmine.

I feel like I'm missing someone ..lol. You'd think at this point, she'd be carrying a gun on her.

My first exposure to Y&R was when Lauren was buried alive by Shawn Garrett. Grant Cramer was a thing of beauty.

Grant Cramer's mother, Terry Moore, is (supposedly) one of BrendaD's besties.

I had no idea Terry was so short. I think Brenda is average at best (5'5 per some sources), but Terry looks like a midget next to her.

Brendad might need a little lift and separate as time... drags her down.

R195 I'm not sure if I'd want Heather Tom back (as you say, it's been TWENTY YEARS), but I've been thinking how this storyline with ClairEve would actually make a plausible exit story for Boretoria.

She's already taken a leave of absence from Newman, there's a modicum of comfortable chemistry between Heinle and J. Eddie (due mainly to their prior work together on AMC), and it wouldn't be that big of a leap to just have Victoria and Claire move to England with Cole to get away from everything and work on building their family dynamic there.

Reed's not around anyway; teenager Johnny could stay with Billy (Chelsea wanted to get to know her bio-son more anyway); and never-seen Katie is a non-entity at this point. She could go to England too, for now.

R201 Bold and the Beautiful is a bigger offender in terms of cast budget cuts. 99% of the cast is either a Forrester, Logan, Spencer or a best friend or spouse/love interest of one.

Snapper is probably on a Hoveround by now.

Although, I suppose Y&R could use that in some kind of product placement deal related to the majority of the show's audience.

I would love to see Heather Tom back as Victoria. Heinle has never worked as Victoria. Heather Tom kills it as Katie on B&B !

Heather Tom looks like Scarah Suchabee Slanders after corrective reconstructive surgery.

Victorias long lost fraternal twin sister returns as well in the form of heather Tom.

Heather Tom made me stop watching Y&R back in the '90s. It hurt too much to watch her suffer with her pinched sphincter every time one of her scenes came on. There was no way—NO WAY!—a guy as hot as Ryan McNeil was going to give someone with such an obvious affliction the time of day. I occasionally say a little prayer of thanksgiving to the soap gods for sending Amelia Heinle to Genoa City.

I'm surprised to hear myself say this, but I am actually enjoying these mother-daughter scenes between Victoria and Claire. Their scenes are proving to be effective and I'm caring more and more about Claire as a result.

i'm actually liking Ameila in the maternal role in this, too. If only they would expand the story to see her explainng to her existing, never seen children, they have an older sibling. I realize the budget won't allow that, but what a wasted opportunity.

Heinle's been in the role nearly 20 years now. For many viewers she's the only Victoria they've known, and honestly I used to be a critic, and still call her Boretoria now and again, but I'm pretty much over Heather Tom. And the stories that the last few regimes have written for Heinle's Victoria seem very much her Victoria: the abuse story with JT, the misguided relationship with Ashland Locke, and now this story with ClaireEve. So too, we can't dismiss what made Heinle popular in the role to begin with, as there were tons of female viewers who loved "Villy" - Heinle and Billy Miller's "Billy." I also think Heinle's Victoria plays well in her sibling scenes with Morrow and Grossman. They actually look like they could be related.

Its interesting that Y&R doesn't want any teen characters, save for the occasionally seen Lucy.

Meanwhile, GH has had an active set of teen characters for the past 6+ years and reportedly is looking to expand its teen set now that the original teens are in their early 20s.

Lucy looks like she's 45, that old lady hairdo. She's totally boring, too. If only Grandma Williams were around to knock her into shape.

Lucy's sole purpose on the show is to provide a reason to keep bringing Daniel and Heather together.

Once that's accomplished, she likely will go join Faith and Moses at boarding school, or college or whereever they are.

R212, maybe teens just aren't a big demographic for Y&R? I'd guess market research says Viril and Nippi and Aunt Jack are what wet the Depends of their core audience.

[quote] She's totally boring, too. If only Grandma Williams were around to knock her into shape.

They keep referring to Heather being Lucy's "Mom." .. Whatever. .. But Daniel and Heather have never been married, and Lucy's actual mother is rapist Daisy with her two Grandmas being psycho Sheila and headcase Phyllis. .. With female genes like that, Lucy should be totally NUTS.

Longtime script writer, Janice Ferri Esser, has opted to leave the show. She's been one constant from Ye Olde Bill Bell era going through all the numerous regimes up til now - well except for a brief period, which she notes:

[quote] I’ve been there for 35 consecutive years this spring (with a brief sojourn down the hall in 2007-2008 to our sister show, The Bold & the Beautiful).

I believe that was during Lathag's 'scorched earth' period.

R216 Given who Lucy's mother and maternal grandmother both are I don't think that's something that they'd want to acknowledge or be reminded of.

When did Chance last have sex?

Chance needs to interact with more characters. Summer does not deserve him. I don't know if there is an age appropriate female for him. Claire? Lucy? Audra? A returned Faith?

I'm perfectly fine with the idea that Chance prefers solo sessions with a toy that looks like a police baton, while fantasizing about his mancrush, Rey Rosales, pounding him. Chance has a little shrine dedicated to Rey, which includes a pair of stretched-out white Hanes briefs that he stole from the laundry hamper at Sharon's place right after Rey died.

I wonder if Janice's leaving has something to do with Griffith's firing the outline writers.

It's a shame Jordan couldn't poison Griffith and leave only enough antidote for the Newmans.

R218 Actually, there have been several stories in soapland where the Nature v. Nurture theme has been played in storyline. .. On this soap, they hit us over the head with that concept in regards to Victor-Junior-Adam. .. How could a son raised by St. Hopeless far away from "Victor's World" turn out to be as bad as his father? .. Conner already seems like he could be a little twisted.

Miss Connor is too twisted for color tv.

R219 yeah it’s been awhile since she’s been on. When did Mamie turn into such an insufferable cunt? I prefer the 90s Mamie when she and John Abbott were dating and she was fighting with Jill. Not the weak ass sniping she does with Jill now.

Why haven’t they shown Heather and Adam together at all? They used to date and, IIRC, didn’t Heather walk in on Adam and a man (I cannot remember his name but he was a friend of Billy’s) making out during Adam’s “I’m pretending to be bisexual and blind” era circa summer 2009?

Rafe was the name of the guy Adam made with. He might have also blown Adam (off-camera).

Heather didn't walk in on Adam and Rafe kissing. It was Nikki. And she basically saw them through an open doorway. She didn't say anything and quietly left. And none of the Newmans really cared about Adam being gay. If I'm remembering correctly, when Nikki told Victoria about it, they had good chuckle over it. Victor basically told Adam, "I love my gay son."

Heather found out because Nikki and Paul were involved at the time, so she told Paul thinking his daughter should know, so he told Heather. This led to a loud break up scene between Heather and Adam, where Heather ranted around the room like a honking goose. I always wondered why she sounded like that. Now, we know the actress probably had a hit of coke up her nose at the time.

The whole town found out, because Rafe's buddy, Billy Abbott, was running "Restless Style" at the time and made a point about Adam's lust for cock in his tabloid article about the devil Adam.

Maria Bell was determined to bring homosexuality to Genoa City one way or another.

Between Adam seducing Rafe to Phillip 3rd coming back from the dead as a gay man, Maria certain tried to make homosexuality a part of the soap.

Now, we've got a rarely seen lesbian couple and an off-screen Fen and Trey spending Christmas with his AA sponsor rather than coming home for his parent's remarriage ceremony.

God, the business bro-talk with Billy and Chance today was so cringe. As was the "double date." Though is is hilarious to hear policeman Chance talk about ROI. Of course not as hilarious as Drabby joining Chancellor-Winters. Also, WTF was Audra wearing today? They really need to have her do something else besides try to sleep with men and take over companies. If she's supposed to be the town slut, at least have her go after more interesting targets.

Audra has so far ridden Noah, Tucker, Kyle and very soon, Nate.

According to my cable guide, “Chance sees a new side to Summer” on today’s episode.

Are we talking anal?

That would be more interesting. I thought it meant that Summer showed a hint of personality.

Have Nick and Audra fucked yet? Sleeping with your son's ex used to make good soap opera.

[quote] Are we talking anal?

Perhaps her pegging him? .. Recall, when Chance first showed up he was portrayed as a 25-year old virgin, and Chloe had to take charge of the situation and deflower him.

And Dummer should be experienced in this regard since she was married to JaBottom.

Dear Gawd in Heaven ... Can Nikki just go to Betty Ford for a month?

Unless she's going to go full-n drunk and end up in a seedy one-room rental like she did with drinking buddy, Deacon Sharpe, then this staring at her flask business is getting tedious.

R240 agreed. I think Mel just wants an Emmy. But it’s getting repetitive. Victor has more money than God and can send her to the best place to dry out. And Mel gets a vacation. But they’d rather bore viewers to death for Christ only knows how long.

I’m not sure what the point of Brian Gaskill’s character was if that’s the end of him as far as episodes. I’m assuming he’ll be returning and have more to do?

Brian's Gaskill's character seemed to be there as a way to put Nikki and Jack together again.

Seth can't be Nikki's sponsor anymore since he lost his sobriety, So, she turns to Jack.

Presumably, this sponsor-sponsee relationship that Jack and Nikki have will cause problems in both their marriages.

I can't go to rehab. I'm dying and I need to find my husband a new wife before I go.

[quote] I think Mel just wants an Emmy.

If that's the case, then they should keep in mind that Daytime Emmys run on the calendar year. Whatever they submit for the upcoming nominations would have to be from her episodes within this story that aired up to December 31, 2023. And if they're writing these alcoholic scenes for the following year, it's been noted that work so far back often gets neglected.

Mel is not well thought of in the industry, and unless her co-actresses (Stafford, Case etc.) push for her, she won't even get the pre-nom. The shit she has pulled from her days as Mrs. Ed Scott still make her less than a team player with the cast. Maybe Sony can strong arm them?

Seth stops drinking, but turns to food instead.

Nikki finds Seth at Crimson Lights, gorging on a half-dozen jumbo muffins.

Nikki makes a quick phone call, then tells Seth, "I think I know someone who can help you."

In walks, Traci Abbott.

Traci teaches Seth how to limit himself to one muffin per day, and "Treth" becomes the show's new supercouple.

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Jordan done burnt down the prison!

Is Jordan going to be like James Stenbeck and Stefano DiMera?

She keeps rising from the ashes.

[quote]Is Jordan going to be like James Stenbeck?

"Hello, Jordan."

Right now, I'm still enjoying Jordan's reign of terror, so I don't mind if she keeps coming back.

But at some point it will get old, as it did with James Stenbeck.

I don't want Jordan to ever leave. She can come back as her good twin Nordan. But Colleen Zenk is not someone to be tossed on the heap of ex-Y&Rers.