I've been kind of into Arab dudes for a while now, and was thinking of travelling to Algeria or Turkey or Iran and seeing what I might find (prior to this Covid situation).
Yes, I know their cultures are not openly supportive of same-sex activities, and that there are laws against it...but a bi friend of a friend years ago did some teaching in Arab countries and came back claiming there were tons of horny guys there and a sort of underground gay network. He didn't say more than that, and I've always wondered about his experiences.
If you've traveled to those countries yourself, I'd be curious to hear what your experiences were like. Were there frantic hookups and a constant fear of discovery? Did guys fool around in public baths/saunas or only in their homes? Were they mostly bottoms or tops? Were they all married? Did men who saw you as a gay tourist openly look down on you? Were you scared or did you feel safe?
Thanks for the insights.
| by Anonymous | reply 73 | April 26, 2020 4:58 PM |
I love Arab dick. But traveling to Iran of all places? Seriously? You must not be American. Is it common to travel to Iran for other countries?
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | April 22, 2020 3:19 PM |
Turkey and Iran are not Arab countries. Same-sex activity is de jure permitted in Turkey (though de facto discrimination forces the scene underground), whereas in Iran the punishment is imprisonment and/or death. Since Americans have been barred from independent travel to Iran since the Revolution, you'd have better luck hanging around diaspora centers of West Los Angeles or Toronto if you want to sample Persian guys.
I was in Lebanon last summer and guys on the apps were extremely aggressive and desperate, most without pictures. One guy I talked to said that widespread stigma (even in relatively cosmopolitan Beirut, to say nothing of the more conservative hinterlands) meant most guys do not get tested or treated for STIs. As in Italy, guys who are not married tend to still live with their parents, even if they're employed.
Guys in Egypt are now the target of gay bashers using the apps to lure them to unsafe places, as has been happening in Russia for years now.
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | April 22, 2020 3:25 PM |
Arab countries? Only for bottoms. That means you and you and the rest of you.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | April 22, 2020 3:32 PM |
Oh and you have to be ready to present hole.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | April 22, 2020 3:33 PM |
Bullshit R4 and R5. I have been to many Arab countries and fucked so many men. They are not all tops, not even close.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | April 22, 2020 3:50 PM |
I can't tell if OP is troll or just very stupid.
Thinking of traveling to Iran...?
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | April 22, 2020 3:59 PM |
R6 riding their big fat cut dicks doesn't count.
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | April 22, 2020 4:01 PM |
The Arab world consists of 22 Arab countries. Those countries are Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Mauritania, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, the Comoros Islands, Iraq, Djibouti, and the United Arab Emirates.
Given this information, I've been with someone from Egypt (met up in Egyptain hotels several times and he was a top) and a guy from Saudi Arabia who I met in Warsaw and was a major bottom.
As for safety, I'm careful no matter where I meet men. Even in countries who are open to the gays, I don't take anything for granted.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | April 22, 2020 4:03 PM |
Whooo 22 countries. If they got their shit together they'd be a superpower. I wonder what their combined population is.
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | April 22, 2020 4:08 PM |
I can't tell if OP is troll or just very stupid.
probably both, since he doesn't know (or pretends not to know) that neither Turkey or Iran or Arab countries
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | April 22, 2020 4:14 PM |
Who cares what the technical definition of an Arab is. We all know what he means! Sheesh.
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | April 22, 2020 4:25 PM |
You can pick up Arabs in other cooler countries - Paris is full of Arabs and so is London, but if I were you I'd stop off in Paris or somewhere like Marseilles first.
Morocco used to be the place to go for London gays, but the scene sounds terrible there now. They really cracked down on gays.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | April 22, 2020 5:00 PM |
If you want to read about being gay, Arab, and living in a repressive society, read Guapa by Saleem Haddad.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | April 22, 2020 5:25 PM |
Where the Arab world is on gays is not that far removed from being gay in America circa before 2000. Blacks were treated here like gays are treated in the Arab world now. Blacks were lynched with almost impunity for decades. American conservatives, especially evangelicals, would love to be able to treat gays like most Arab or Muslim countries do.
R14 that guy makes me thirsty. Yum. I saw a straight porn with an guy who looked like that, wearing the head garb, nailing this white girl. It was so hot but I cannot find it now.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | April 22, 2020 5:31 PM |
Damn good fuckers. They love the ass.
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | April 22, 2020 5:36 PM |
OP horrible idea you have there, why not travel to Hamtramck Michigan which has a Muslim majority. If you must go to the Middle East then how about Bahrain or UAE where they are more likely to look the other way if your sexual desires become known. I have talked to a couple of Saudi guys on line and that is where they go.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | April 22, 2020 5:40 PM |
They seem to have huge cocks. I'm not a size queen, I am not a great bottom (I'm a better top) but I wish I was a better bottom for them.
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | April 22, 2020 5:40 PM |
Turkey is fucked up now with their dictator. No thanks.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | April 22, 2020 5:41 PM |
It is easily possible for non-Americans to go to Iran, I've been - no sex though. In fact when I was there (2017), Americans could also travel there, but only as part of an organised tour group.
Istanbul is more open and liberal than the rest of Turkey and gay bars used to be able to operate without too much hassle. Dunno about right now though with the current political climate. Like a poster above, I'd recommend London, Berlin, (especially) Paris, or Bangkok. Lots of traffic between Iran and SE Asia or China for business, while lots of North Africans migrate to France. Guys from repressive cultures can go very wild and free when they end up in a big city outside their home country. I have very fond memories of a Bahraini I met in Bangkok once, for example....
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | April 22, 2020 5:44 PM |
R19 perceptions shaped by porn are never accurate. They come in all sizes like everyone else.
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | April 22, 2020 5:56 PM |
R22 I'm going by experience.
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | April 22, 2020 5:57 PM |
One more vote for Bangkok. Closest I came to a MMF threesome was when an arab wanted me join in with him and his thai girl.
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | April 22, 2020 11:16 PM |
An Arab guy once told me that it's *easier* to get gay sex in the Arab world than in the States, because the guys just...do it. None of this "how does my profile look?" business, etc.
| by Anonymous | reply 25 | April 22, 2020 11:35 PM |
This is a very interesting question, OP. I hear that some of the countries you mentioned might not be Arab. I am in the process of assembling a Blue Ribbon Commission to investigate this matter further. The first step will be to determine whether a) these are arabic countries and then b) whether they are receptive to man-on-man sexual encounters. I'm pleased to introduce the first two appointees to my team.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 27 | April 23, 2020 12:19 AM |
I love R16 opining (rightfully so) about the vile chilling mistreatment of gays & blacks, then in the very next breath blithely saying:
[quote] saw a straight porn with an guy who looked like that, wearing the head garb, nailing this white girl
Let us look forward to the day it finally sinks in that misogyny is the root of homophobia, then this horror may go away.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | April 23, 2020 12:39 AM |
Iranians are NOT Arab. They will be the first to tell you this.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | April 23, 2020 12:40 AM |
If you are a cumdump I am sure it is heaven with all those tops.. (yeah chances are much higher that you will be tortured and murdered )but what a thrill to get arab cum deep in your arse.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | April 23, 2020 12:41 AM |
I got hit on in Cairo very brazenly and aggressively by the local men, among other things. I was all of 19 and rather twinkish then though.
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | April 23, 2020 12:43 AM |
Only came in to say that my sister’s longterm boyfriend is a wealthy New Money boy from Cairo, and he has implied to me that he left Egypt for a middleclass life scraping by the U.K. for the most part because his bisexuality & outspoken atheism was becoming known to his family thanks to an informant. He hero-worships his tyrannical father & uncles, but I gather that they’d have no compunction seeing him arrested or killed if he were caught consorting or shacking up with men in the open or a romantic way. Behind firmly closed & locked doors it’s a different story, of course - men do what they like, as men do all across the world.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | April 23, 2020 12:44 AM |
Turks are not Arabs, but Istanbul is the only city in that part of the world that I found cosmopolitan and secular enough to pursue this type of game. (Although like R3 says, I've heard things about Beirut). Even so, in Turkey, things have taken a dip for the negative within the last decade or so.
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | April 23, 2020 1:10 AM |
Hopefully at a waving facility when they open up again.
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | April 23, 2020 3:42 AM |
R27 are not Arabs.
Only the one the left is half-Arab. He is half Venezuelan.
On the right is Paraguayan.
They are South Beach instahoes and that photo is at least 4 years old because they broke up and no longer photo opp.
I saw the one on the left on Ocean Drive. Short, queenyish, but friendly enough. He's attached to some NY blond muscle queen.
Nowhere near the the men OP is lusting after...
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | April 23, 2020 4:32 AM |
R35 is Arab. He lives in my neighborhood.
You can find him in the Oakland area. He is on Scruff and Instagram.
Again nowhere near the men OP is lusting after...
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | April 23, 2020 4:34 AM |
Correction: R35 is likely Persian, perhaps Indian. Arab adjacent. He's also on Insta.
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | April 23, 2020 5:40 AM |
R30 Not all Arabs are tops. Behind closed doors many are willing and eager bottoms.
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | April 23, 2020 7:27 AM |
R41 Uncut cocks are fugly.
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | April 23, 2020 1:15 PM |
I've had lots of fun in Morocco, but no such luck in Turkey, despite two visits. R6 is absolutely correct. Top here sharing my empirical evidence. Why educated people continue to believe in such exclusive stereotypes is beyond my grasp. Usually statements which begin with all, every, none, etc. are invariably false.
| by Anonymous | reply 43 | April 23, 2020 1:37 PM |
Oh, and for the record, there are plenty of Arab men in Turkey. Let's please avoid a discussion on what Turkish really implies, as they are a mélange as it is culturally. The Turks may not be very keen on them, but Arabs love Turkey, and I have met several who have settled there after a few holidays.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | April 23, 2020 1:47 PM |
The ignorance here reflects the ignorance of Americans in general...
Turkish men and women are not Arabs. They're Turks. They speak Turkish. You will also find minorities of Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds in Turkey. They are also not Arabs. There are Arabs in Turkey.
Iranians are not Arabs. they are Persians. they speak Farsi, not Arabic.
Even the most "liberal" Arabic countries in the Middle East are very socially conservative, and gay sex is illegal. Even if you go to the nightclubs, cafes, Coffee houses and other places (which you need in advance to know that cater to men seeking sex with other men), is a blowjob worth a jail sentence in a repressive society?
If you want a blowjob from an Arab guy or give one to an Arab guy, frequent any number of venues in cities with large Arab communities in the West.
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | April 23, 2020 2:47 PM |
[quote] The ignorance here reflects the ignorance of Americans in general...
Almost every post in this thread has corrected the OP's misconception.
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | April 23, 2020 2:51 PM |
R45 BPC you have summed it up quite nicely, but I should add there are plenty of Jews still living in Turkey as well. Some are mixed families, and completely assimilated, and others not so much. It should also be said that very few Turks speak or write Arabic as well. It probably isn't even a popular third language chosen as an elective.
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | April 23, 2020 2:58 PM |
Thank you, R47. I had a friend in college, who was a Turkish Jew. She could trace her family's origins back to Catalonia from when the were expelled in the early sixteenth century.
I grew up in New York City, where I went to school with Syrians, who were Melkites and Maronites.
| by Anonymous | reply 49 | April 23, 2020 3:02 PM |
R49 You're welcome, and thank you for sharing BPC... You always have interesting remarks. Your students are very lucky to have you, if you have not yet retired!
Yes many proud, almost ancient Jewish families.... mostly Sephardic, and many from Greece originally. (Many still in Morocco as well) BTW, I love the Syrian and Lebanese peoples, and their cultures. So very sad what has happened to those countries, and their cultures.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | April 23, 2020 3:09 PM |
My experiences with Middle Eastern men has been much different from what most of you describe. I've been with quite a few and most have been into sucking cock and getting sucked.
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | April 23, 2020 3:36 PM |
Dreams come true in Cairo.
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | April 23, 2020 3:37 PM |
OP is quite stupid. Must be American.
Gay sex is easy to find in Turkey. They are Turks by the way. Go to Bodrum for example. Or Izmir or Istanbul of course.
I have fucked guys in Algeria. I was in my 20s and 30s and handsome. No issues. Not easy to find but once you are plugged in, possibilities arise. I wouldn't do it now in my 50s, which would be tawdry. I guess with aps it's easy to find in any country. But places like Algeria or Iran will have very local under the radar apps in the local language.
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | April 23, 2020 3:38 PM |
[quote]Hopefully at a waving facility when they open up again.
What the hell is a waving facility?
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | April 23, 2020 3:54 PM |
With the quarantine you can't be near people so you wave from a distance.
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | April 23, 2020 4:26 PM |
Marrakesh when I was 16; the local talent was not repressed at all.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | April 23, 2020 5:05 PM |
R40 Of course there will be some that are bottoms Bottoms are like roaches at every top’s house and easy to smash.
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | April 23, 2020 5:22 PM |
R56 Marrakech in my 40s. It's also heaven for older bottoms.
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | April 24, 2020 7:39 AM |
[quote]"Let us look forward to the day it finally sinks in that misogyny is the root of homophobia, then this horror may go away."
Bravo/brava, R28. Well said!
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | April 24, 2020 7:53 AM |
When I was young and pretty I used to live near Marble Arch in London, which has a large Arab community. I used to get cruised all the time, and chased down the street on a few occasions. I occasionally allowed myself to get caught. The best was a very handsome, business type daddy from Kuwait. He took me back to his beautiful flat in a prestigious mansion block, and had his servant (!) make a meal for me. Then he took me into the bedroom and fucked me senseless for hours. When I was leaving he said, “I am not a homosexual”.
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | April 24, 2020 8:13 AM |
R28 yesssss. This must become an obvious commonplace universal truth among us.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | April 24, 2020 8:14 AM |
If it's the dark stuff you want, any of you, save air fare, just get to Queensway in London. Busy/active. Nearby toilet on the Bayswater Road is convenient, behind is Kensington Gardens. A few summes ago I was in the park, 2pm-ish, a torrid beauty, albeit a bit short, came along, took me in the bushes to fuck himi. I had to oblige. Two tube stops nearby, the area is crawling with good-looking men.
| by Anonymous | reply 63 | April 25, 2020 4:33 AM |
OP here and yes, I didn't know exactly which countries are considered "Arab". Glad most of you got what I meant though...
Guess I'll be doing a lot research before travelling - haven't had much luck meeting these kids of guys but I guess I need to know where their communities congregate.
Definitely agree that mysogeny is a big part of homophobia.
...for those who've hooked up on their turf, was it in their home? Or in a motel? A car?
Wondering what the typical situation ends up being...
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | April 25, 2020 1:09 PM |
You do realize you are speaking about dozens of countries and hundreds of millions of people ranging all the classes, and rural to international big cities. Do really expect there is a pattern about where you will have the sex? How small town provincial are you?
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | April 25, 2020 2:40 PM |
I am half Arab (French national), and honestly I think the reports of how dangerous it is have been greatly over exaggerated, perhaps due to xenophobia, media conditioning, or the vicious stereotypes on here... Though you should still of course be careful wherever you go, especially as a tourist. I am just as cautious in Egypt as I am in Italy or Croatia or Cuba. But no, you are not going to be beheaded for hooking up with someone in Beirut lol. Maybe don't suck someone's dick on the street, but that goes without saying.
Yes, families are conservative. But what I have found is that many of them know about their gay children and family members, and don't mind at all as long as you 'do not bring shame on the family name', so to speak. Most gays I have come across in those countries have the full support of their siblings too, which is nice (there are a lot of sisters supporting their gay brothers even when the parents won't - arab children are raised to be quite close to their siblings).
I will also add that most authority figures in these countries are.... not very bright or worldly. Many of them will not be able to tell you are gay, no matter how pinging and flaming you are lol. I have come across some really fem, Adam Rippon type arab gays and their families and friends are none-the-wiser. Let alone the archaic police systems. I guess it helps us 'be invisible' that so many arab men are obsessed with their appearance, live in the gym, have super coiffed hair and long eyelashes, tight clothes, etc.
The countries you are most likely to enjoy gay sex are the North African countries. Especially in the resort towns (Sharm El Sheikh in Egypt, Sidi Bou Said in Tunisia, and several pockets of Morocco and Algeria). These have a similar, but much gentler gay luxury vibe to Mediterranean countries such as Greece. Aside from that, your best bet is Lebanon and Jordan, where the social laws and belief in Islam is more relaxed, and there are quite a few discreet underground spots and even more public venues that are commonly accepted to be places for 'single men'. Lebanon especially is very modern (they just legalised cannabis for medical use, before countries like Australia) and you can literally see Greece and Cyprus from the beach there, they also have a huge nightlife and club/bar scene. There are a lot of gay men there who enjoy the company of tourists.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 66 | April 25, 2020 3:18 PM |
I’m pretty sure there is a state department travel warning against this very thing
| by Anonymous | reply 67 | April 25, 2020 3:43 PM |
R63 Spot on, and good to hear such shenanigans of the highest order are still going on there! There's a rather popular American style shopping mall in the neighbourhood nearby which can be quite cruisey as well. (Whitely's, just down Queensway) I spent much of my teens and early adulthood living in Bayswater.
It was populated with a multitude of Arabs and Turks since the mid to late eighties when we moved there from Putney Bridge.... perhaps even earlier; I'm not quite sure. There were the cruisy hotspots for nasty jollies if you will back then, as well. I fondly recall even being outright flirted with by a sexy Turk working in a kebab shop...telling me what a "handsome young man I was"... I suppose not ironically, my experience ended up not unlike West Ender's tale in R60.
After subsequent visits, and similar flirtatious exchanges, (being young, and a bit naïve I had to make certain it wasn't in my head) we arranged to meet in a pub near Princes Square, and ended up back at his flat after a snogfest.
Though he obviously enjoyed himself, he repeatedly told me he wasn't homosexual. Though he was probably mid-thirties, and I was only nineteen or twenty, I was madly disappointed, and wanted it to become a relationship. Throughout my twenties I came to realise these men were only interested in sex, and probably had very oppressive families.
| by Anonymous | reply 68 | April 26, 2020 2:32 AM |
^ I should have said many/most... certainly not all, as I don't like sweeping generalisations or stereotypes. It was a much different time back then, and I may just suffer from rotten luck as well.
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | April 26, 2020 2:38 AM |
Gurl, you better watch yourself.
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | April 26, 2020 2:53 AM |
Arab guys are great fun...I think they're hot, also. Having been to both Iran and Turkey, I would probably not go trolling for dick in either place. My most successful, easy hook-ups have been in UAE (Dubai specifically), Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Kuwait. But familiarize yourself with local customs, or you'll end-up in very awkward places
| by Anonymous | reply 71 | April 26, 2020 5:10 AM |
R63 Ewan, is that you? xx
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | April 26, 2020 2:12 PM |
