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I heard on TV Kamala has the lowest popularity ratings since Al Gore. Why was Gore unpopular? I thought Clinton was always pretty popular and Gore would have coat tailed that?

I do remember Tipper trying to get my darling Sheena Easton banned from MTV. (Although Sugar Walls always was kind of gross for a gay boy like me. U Got the Look was fantastic though.)

by Anonymousreply 236April 7, 2022 6:01 PM

For me it was all about his wife. He was just sort of a non entity

by Anonymousreply 1September 5, 2021 1:38 AM

[quote] Kamala has the lowest popularity ratings

Impossible! She is a Goddess.

by Anonymousreply 2September 5, 2021 1:40 AM

I know r2 but she's at like 30 percent favorable. Probably why they seem to be hiding her.

by Anonymousreply 3September 5, 2021 1:41 AM

The media portrayed him as smug and unpersonable. Similar to how they portray Kamala.

by Anonymousreply 4September 5, 2021 1:42 AM

Tipper and Al were seen as stuffy over privileged conservative Democrats. She was the early 90s equivalent of a frau

by Anonymousreply 5September 5, 2021 1:44 AM

Sheena driving with her foot on the dashboard in the U Got the Look video was the epitome of cool for me.

by Anonymousreply 6September 5, 2021 1:44 AM

Did Gore have any strong challengers for the 2000 democratic nomination?

by Anonymousreply 7September 5, 2021 1:45 AM

Gore had the global warming thing going on which of course enraged many: "no such thing exists."

Oh, how different the world would be if he had been president. The election was stolen by the Supreme Court. There was no legal merit to stop the count of votes in Florida.

by Anonymousreply 8September 5, 2021 1:45 AM

Were there every any really popular Vice Presidents? Like, more popular than the President?

by Anonymousreply 9September 5, 2021 1:46 AM

The comparison exists because she comes off as fake as he did. Cute, but totally phony.

by Anonymousreply 10September 5, 2021 1:46 AM

I don't think he started talking about global warming until years after he was veep.

by Anonymousreply 11September 5, 2021 1:48 AM

Ugh. Remember when they were thought to look cold towards each other so they made out on the stage of the convention.

I once saw a photo of them in college. My first impulse was who's the cute gay guy with the field hockey player. Lavender marriage?

by Anonymousreply 12September 5, 2021 1:49 AM

He was definitely sounding the alarms back then. The Clinton era was pro-environment and he was a big reason for it.

by Anonymousreply 13September 5, 2021 1:52 AM

[quote] Oh, how different the world would be if he had been president

What would Gore have done?

by Anonymousreply 14September 5, 2021 1:54 AM

We need more fraus in the white house.

by Anonymousreply 15September 5, 2021 1:56 AM

Love Story was made after them, and Tommy Lee Jones, who has a role in the movie, was Al Gore's roommate in Harvard.

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by Anonymousreply 16September 5, 2021 1:57 AM

I tried r15 but no.........

by Anonymousreply 17September 5, 2021 1:58 AM

I think that is a myth r16. How could the movie be based on them? Tipper didn't die.

(isn't it one of his aggrandizements like how he invented the internet?)

by Anonymousreply 18September 5, 2021 1:59 AM

Some Americans thought he was cold ( and he certainly was not particularly demonstrative but that's not an indication of incompetence). The media hated him from the beginning and attacked him like a bunch of hyenas in 2000. The dislike stemmed from his perceived stuffiness and his Association with the Clintons, whom the DC and NYC press have a bizarre vendetta against. Everyone laughed at him when he spoke of the threat of global warming . But the biggest disgrace came when he spoke out against the war in Iraq ( very few American politicians did this). He was attacked in elite publications like the New Republic and the Washington post. The late Michael Kelly of the New Republic claimed that by opposing Iraq Gore revealed himself to be a " wretched low and vile coward". The Washington post printed an idiotic Richard cohen column claiming that only " fools and Frenchman oppose invading Iraq". Liberal media my ass. So in short Gore was perceived as lacking in warmth but he was right about key issues of our era.

by Anonymousreply 19September 5, 2021 1:59 AM

[quote] What would Gore have done?

For one, we would have taken global warming more seriously. Chaney would have never been in a position to decide a war. Gay marriage and rights would have come sooner.

by Anonymousreply 20September 5, 2021 2:00 AM

R7, the only potentially strong challenger was Bill Bradley, but ultimately Gore won all 50 states.

by Anonymousreply 21September 5, 2021 2:04 AM

r5...Tipper was not a Frau...she was an original Karen.

by Anonymousreply 22September 5, 2021 2:06 AM

We need more Karens in the white house.

by Anonymousreply 23September 5, 2021 2:07 AM

Americans just can't handle an educated woman with power, especially a Black! They love old dudes who fuck interns, who fuck porn stars, who are too stupid to read their own name, even a neo-Nazi in a wheelchair. But never a broad with a brain.

This stupid fucking country.

by Anonymousreply 24September 5, 2021 2:17 AM

[quote]But never a broad with a brain.

Huh.

by Anonymousreply 25September 5, 2021 2:23 AM

Al Gore was great in Futurama.

by Anonymousreply 26September 5, 2021 2:26 AM

R25 It's called alliteration. It emboldens concepts and makes an argument more memorable. And they're fun to say aloud.

Look it up sometime, you bossy little butt-licking bitch!

by Anonymousreply 27September 5, 2021 2:37 AM

Al Gore was a privileged child from a wealthy family who wasn't particularly smart, but loved to lecture other people and talk down to them.

Everything he said dripped with condescension. Most people were able to see that he was a smug asshole.

by Anonymousreply 28September 5, 2021 2:40 AM

[quote]The dislike stemmed from his perceived stuffiness and his Association with the Clintons

Additionally, because he got favoritism when drafted in Vietnam War because of who his father was. He was shipped to Vietnam in January 1971 and got his discharge in May 1971. Most of his service was hanging out stateside.

by Anonymousreply 29September 5, 2021 2:40 AM

He was indeed stiff, but in the wrong places.

by Anonymousreply 30September 5, 2021 2:46 AM

[quote]I think that is a myth [R16]. How could the movie be based on them?

It's not a myth, it's a LIE. Al Gore was full of mountains of blatant bullshit, and no one believed a word he said - such as "I invested the internet."

by Anonymousreply 31September 5, 2021 2:55 AM

Al Gore will always be popular to me - and it isn't oPutting nly for his politics.

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by Anonymousreply 32September 5, 2021 3:25 AM

R29 Many rich young men avoided the draft or didn't serve at all. Some of these men later became politicians. Why was Gore singled out?

by Anonymousreply 33September 5, 2021 3:34 AM

Gore couldn't even carry his own state in the presidential election.

by Anonymousreply 34September 5, 2021 3:38 AM

R33 He wasn't, look at what happened to John Kerry four years later. He got more heat over his war record than his opponent did over his lack of a war record.

Perhaps the left and centre are just too milquetoast to defend themselves, perhaps the right just have that low animal cunning which helps them go for the jugular much more effectively. Perhaps both.

by Anonymousreply 35September 5, 2021 3:56 AM

[quote] Al Gore was full of mountains of blatant bullshit, and no one believed a word he said - such as "I invested the internet."

No, this was a misquote and blown out of proportion.

1. That was the headline on CNN that day but that's not what he said.

2. When asked what made him different than Bill Bradley of New Jersey, what he did say was:

[quote]“During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.”

And he was one of the people that fostered it and helped get it where it was when it was going into schools and homes in the US back in the 80s/90s.

3. Both Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf (who are unarguably the fathers of the internet) both thanked him publicly after he made that statement. They said that the internet wasn't "invented" by just one person but they also didn't believe he meant created as in he built it from scratch (which would be silly.)

[quote]We don’t think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he “invented” the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore’s initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective.

Which he was back in the 70s.

[quote]As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today, approximately 95% of our nation’s schools are on the Internet. Gore provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven operation.

The Gore Bill even gave us the Mosaic browser.

by Anonymousreply 36September 5, 2021 3:58 AM

The Love Story thing is so odd. Tipper didn't die and she didn't come from a lower class background like the character in the film. Her father was a successful and she went to a private high school.

Gore was kind of an idiot to say the film was based on him.

by Anonymousreply 37September 5, 2021 6:55 AM

[quote] Al Gore was a privileged child from a wealthy family who wasn't particularly smart, but loved to lecture other people and talk down to them.

[quote] Everything he said dripped with condescension. Most people were able to see that he was a smug asshole.

Second this, R28.

[quote]It's not a myth, it's a LIE. Al Gore was full of mountains of blatant bullshit, and no one believed a word he said - such as .....

[quote] “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.“

This holier-than-thou stuff did not go over well. The pretentious preening and pre-Goop “conscious uncoupling” twaffle he and Tipper peddled when they separated, reeked of hypocrisy.

Similar to his “environmental concerns” when flitting about in private jets and guzzling gallons of water for the private use of his mansion.

He - like John Kerry - just oozes condescension.

by Anonymousreply 38September 5, 2021 8:06 AM

R38 And he was running for president as a dull continuation of a tumultuous 8-year administration. And he was running against a guy who was (for better or worse) a simple and authentic communicator. And the economy was going like gangbusters, so people said "Why not try something new?"

But in the end, the winning margin of those "people" ended up being 500+ votes in one state. Algore very nearly won that election.

by Anonymousreply 39September 5, 2021 8:10 AM

and he didn't want Clinton (a very popular president despite the scandals) to campaign for him. Dumb.

by Anonymousreply 40September 5, 2021 8:12 AM

This moment makes Gore look like such an idiot and Bush likeable.

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by Anonymousreply 41September 5, 2021 8:13 AM

Yeah, R39, Al Gore’s modern day corollary is America’s Prince Harry.

by Anonymousreply 42September 5, 2021 8:14 AM

And he picked that croaky-voiced, right-wing piece of shit Joe Lieberman as his running mate. Not only did nobody like that creep (except the Israel lobby), he intervened in the Florida recount to make sure soldiers and seniors (heavy Bush voters) were properly canvassed. It was partially his conservative asshole philosophy of "The military and Israel matter more than anyone else," and partially his own desire to cut loose from Algore and run on his own in 2004.

Dick.

by Anonymousreply 43September 5, 2021 8:15 AM

Studies always show the Veep candidate has very little influence over who wins an election.

(Why do you think we picked that nasty pot hating bitch Kamala?)

by Anonymousreply 44September 5, 2021 8:19 AM

R44 I swear it's because Joe thought he was getting Maya Rudolph. She was such a FUNT.

The fun aunt who will buy you weed, and then arrest you for having weed. The fun aunt. The FUNT. She's also the cool aunt. The C-.

by Anonymousreply 45September 5, 2021 8:37 AM

It's pretty much confirmed that AL Gore has a huge cock.

by Anonymousreply 46September 5, 2021 8:54 AM

[quote]AL Gore has a huge cock.

These days he has a huge gunt.

by Anonymousreply 47September 5, 2021 12:42 PM

His choice of the awful Lieberman killed his chances of really taking enough of a lead.

by Anonymousreply 49September 5, 2021 1:34 PM

[quote] Why was Gore singled out?

Because he held himself out as a paragon of virtue and goodness, and a champion of the little guy.

by Anonymousreply 50September 5, 2021 1:43 PM

Gore also held himself out as a scientist and climate expert. Then it came out that he only had one science class in college - which turned out to be a remedial class in "physical science" in which he received a C.

by Anonymousreply 51September 5, 2021 1:46 PM

His choice of Lieberman was just awful and tone death. He primarily chose him because he listened to DC pundits who said that much of the country was morally outraged by the Clinton/Lewinsky thing and Lieberman certainly did his "Holy Joe" grandstanding on the Senate Floor talking about how immoral it was. So Gore picked him in part to "distance" himself from Clinton as much as he could even though he was VP. Problem was that it didn't bring anyone in to vote for Gore who was genuinely outraged by the scandal, but picking Lieberman sure turned off a lot of Democrats who either sat it out or voted for Nader in protest.

by Anonymousreply 52September 5, 2021 1:49 PM

Al Gore is yet another example of a "do as I say, not as I do" politician. Preaching environmental causes yet owns mansions and for years was not as environmentally sound as you would think.

Him and DiCaprio really piss me off with their holier than thou environmental shit while they fly on private jets.

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by Anonymousreply 53September 5, 2021 1:53 PM

[quote]Algore

I didn't know anyone still did this.

by Anonymousreply 54September 5, 2021 1:57 PM

r53 Always that meme, it's tiring.

by Anonymousreply 55September 5, 2021 2:00 PM

Honestly looking on as an outside,r while both are dreadful I found it easier to understand why Trump beat Clinton than why Bush beat Gore. I understand better why people make crazy political choices now, but in 2000 I was very young and it seemed incomprehensible that anyone could vote for Bush, who seemed dumber than a box of rocks, had a flat personality, and always had a weird vacant expression on his face and a difficulty in pronouncing long words.

Trump does have a charisma to him and you can imagine switching off all your critical faculties and cheering on his punchy aggressive style in a verbal battle. He was definitely a worse President than W, by some distance, but his outrageous showman side offers a much more obvious appeal than W did.

by Anonymousreply 56September 5, 2021 2:02 PM

Vice president Kalamata- I don't like someone whose name reminds me of a type of olive.

by Anonymousreply 57September 5, 2021 2:07 PM

You're fucking tiring, r53. A now single guy in his 70s doesn't need multiple mansions while preaching to America about environmentalism.

Plus the douche lost his own home state in the 2000 election. No hanging chad issue there.

by Anonymousreply 58September 5, 2021 2:30 PM

I always wondered why Clinton chose Gore. All I can think of is that Gore had the Washington DC connections that Clinton didn't have. Maybe because Gore had that stiffness to balance Clinton's folksy demeanor.

by Anonymousreply 59September 5, 2021 2:40 PM

[quote] Gore also held himself out as a scientist and climate expert. Then it came out that he only had one science class in college - which turned out to be a remedial class in "physical science" in which he received a C.

The press compared their grades and were horrified to see GW Bush had better grades than Al.

The clip from the debate in r41 was the moment I knew Bush would win. Bush shrugging off Al and Al standing confused with no plan B and the audience laughing at him.

Al spent his childhood living in Washington DC. His father Senator Gore's political machine controlled Tennessee politics and gave Al a congressional seat as a family birthright. As r58 noted he only needed his "home" voters to become president but Al Gore Sr couldn't fix that.

And of course there was Fred Phelps' support for Al for president Fred was invited to both Clinton/Gore inaugurations. It's quite peculiar how well the photos of Al and Phelps have been scrubbed from the internet. I recall more used to be available.

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by Anonymousreply 60September 5, 2021 2:58 PM

[quote] Then it came out that he only had one science class in college.

Those were the days when presidential candidates routinely released their college transcripts and tax returns. Then Obama broke that tradition (and also broke the tradition of respecting public-financing campaign rules.)

by Anonymousreply 61September 5, 2021 2:59 PM

Gore won the election in 2000. The US lost and began a long decline into maga shithole status.

by Anonymousreply 62September 5, 2021 3:13 PM

[quote] and also broke the tradition of respecting public-financing campaign rules.

That wasn't really a tradition. The McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform laws were still fairly recent, but democrats had been pushing hard the rhetoric of how corrupt it would be not to follow them. Then Obama threw them out the window while McCain stayed in compliance and was outspent by Obama about three times over. Of course the media let the hypocrisy slide.

Since then nobody even gives lip service to the concept.

by Anonymousreply 63September 5, 2021 3:14 PM

[quote] Were there every any really popular Vice Presidents? Like, more popular than the President?

I can’t think of any.

by Anonymousreply 64September 5, 2021 3:42 PM

OK. Were there any occasions where the President was popular, and the Vice-President was nearly as popular and liked in his own right? When you have popular Presidents, especially big personalities, the VP very clearly and obviously seems to be second fiddle/the warm-up act. I'd say Biden was like this as VP, and so was George HW Bush despite later being elected himself. I guess in previous decades and centuries there were fewer opportunities to establish a separate identity via a media platform. Of course no-one wants to be outshone and a smart subordinate probably doesn't try to outshine until the lame-duck period anyway.

by Anonymousreply 65September 5, 2021 3:46 PM

Popularity isn't really the issue. They have lost elections and cheated for decades. Gore won that election and the deciding votes came down to a state his opponent's brother was the Governor of.

"stop the steal" is an ancient grift from them.

by Anonymousreply 66September 5, 2021 4:05 PM

[quote] Since then nobody even gives lip service to the concept.

And yet, the IRS still gleefully collects $1, $2, or $3 for the fund.

by Anonymousreply 67September 5, 2021 4:15 PM

[quote] - Al Gore was full of mountains of blatant bullshit, and no one believed a word he said - such as "I invested the internet." - No, this was a misquote and blown out of proportion.

A skilled politician should know not to fall into a trap where they can be used like that. A skilled politician would know how to spin his/her way out of it. Gore did not.

by Anonymousreply 68September 5, 2021 4:17 PM

[quote] I heard on TV Kamala has the lowest popularity ratings since Al Gore.

Women hate xother women!

by Anonymousreply 69September 5, 2021 4:22 PM

WHY did Bill Clinton choose Al Gore as his running mate? YOUTH (see link).

After Clinton won the nomination in 1992, the predictions were that he would pick an older more experienced Northeastern running mate to balance the ticket. It was SHOCKING that he chose a same age Southerner. Al Gore had the legislative experience Clinton didn't have, and they ran as "co-presidential" candidates. But the images told the story - young guys, generational change.

It worked in 1996 too. On one news day there was video of Bob Dole falling off a stage because he leaned against a prop, and there was video of Clinton and Gore pushing a stick car out of the mud.

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by Anonymousreply 70September 5, 2021 4:25 PM

I was around but naively believed in the Democratic process. I didn't know until recently the protestors showing up down in Florida to stop the steal were puke operatives easily identifiable. The press choose not to identify these people and expose them.

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by Anonymousreply 71September 5, 2021 4:47 PM

I remember we were all supposed to be terribly, terribly concerned about earth tones. We were all supposed to be terribly concerned about whether Gore was or was not the inspiration for Love Story, and if he claimed to invent the internet. It was all so very important. The press corps (which mattered once upon a time kids) told us to.

So we went for the authentic one, the authentic moron, or enough of us did that the Supreme Court could give it to the moron.

by Anonymousreply 72September 5, 2021 4:49 PM

R72 The Supreme Court didn’t “give it to” Bush. The Supreme Court stopped the obvious election theft that the Democrats were engaging in, in Dade county.

by Anonymousreply 73September 5, 2021 4:52 PM

R61, just wait until you hear about Donald Trump’s tax returns!

by Anonymousreply 74September 5, 2021 4:57 PM

We did not. Jr lost that election. I'm still in awe of the brazenness of it all. Bish was directly told he lost and he looked the reporter in the eyes and told her, "No, I didn't". Condie Rice is a Republican because Dems are weak on the Communistic threat. I'm curious about her concerns about Republican party members being summoned to the former USSR on the 4th. The 4th is time for BBQS, parades, ball games and firework shows. In America. Not trips overseas to the former USSR.

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by Anonymousreply 76September 5, 2021 4:59 PM

Lol@r73.

Total fucking coincidence it came down to a state one candidate's brother was Governor of, huh?

by Anonymousreply 77September 5, 2021 5:01 PM

So Kamala is less popular than Dick Cheney?

And nobody liked that heartless (literally) fucker.

by Anonymousreply 78September 5, 2021 5:05 PM

I liked Gore as Clinton’s VP. I think he ran an even more inept campaign than Dukakis. Distancing from a president with 67% approval, Lieberman, Naomi Wolf as clothing advisor, the phoney convention kiss, Donna Fucking Brazile, fucking up the debates with eyerolling and sighs. He made Hillary look like a competent campaigner.

by Anonymousreply 79September 5, 2021 5:12 PM

R74 I'm more interested in seeing Obama's college records, so I can learn about how someone who almost flunked out of third class Occidental College was admitted to Harvard law school. Also, why was he awarded that scholarship for international students?

by Anonymousreply 80September 5, 2021 5:46 PM

Ooobummber Hooosane is a moooslem.

by Anonymousreply 81September 5, 2021 5:55 PM

Picking Lieberman was insane. A Jew from Connecticut is not going to win anyone a nationwide election.

by Anonymousreply 82September 5, 2021 5:56 PM

Gore was a hunky beefy muscle stud.

by Anonymousreply 83September 5, 2021 5:58 PM

Cause he's black r80, and all your racism is 100% justified and Trump is awesome and the fact that he's been a mobbed up grifter his entire life has nothing to do with why he was such a shit president.

Is that what you need to hear?

by Anonymousreply 84September 5, 2021 6:02 PM

Barry is not even blackblack. He was raised by his white mother. In Hawaii.

by Anonymousreply 85September 5, 2021 6:06 PM

[quote] just awful and tone death

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 86September 5, 2021 6:13 PM

[quote] Cause he's black [R80], and all your racism is 100% justified

Plenty of black college dropouts don't get into Harvard. And, not every black person who gets into Harvard gets in because they know someone influential, like say, a domestic terrorist. I think it's YOUR racism that is showing.

by Anonymousreply 87September 5, 2021 6:23 PM

Despite Gore's lackluster campaign and picking Lieberman as his running mate, he probably would have won in 2000 (without having it come down to one state and the Supreme Court) if he hadn't acted like a pompous ass during the debates. George W. Bush was an idiot. All Gore had to do was appear at least mildly likeable and not come across as condescending. I remember watching the debates and thinking, "Oh, fuck, we're going to end up with President Bush, aren't we?"

by Anonymousreply 88September 5, 2021 6:25 PM

I still can't believe Bush was president. He was an utter moron.

by Anonymousreply 89September 5, 2021 6:29 PM

[quote] Plenty of black college dropouts don't get into Harvard. And, not every black person who gets into Harvard gets in because they know someone influential, like say, a domestic terrorist. I think it's YOUR racism that is showing.

No. What's showing is that you're trying to derail a thread about Gore's vice presidency by turning it into a discussion of Obama's academic records so you can dredge up all the old right-wing talking points about Obama. Next, you'll be questioning Obama's birth certificate. You're still upset that Obama was a popular two-term president while your Dear Leader was a one-term, twice-impeached failure. Kindly fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 90September 5, 2021 6:33 PM

[quote] Kindly fuck off.

Gees, calm down. Go take one of your estrogen pills and try to relax.

by Anonymousreply 91September 5, 2021 6:52 PM

Republicans did an outstanding job of caricaturing God as a pointy headed elite know it all who lies to make himself look smarter and better than others. He was lampooned for purportedly saying he invented the internet

by Anonymousreply 92September 5, 2021 7:07 PM

Gore failed to stay rooted to his native Tennessee and became perceived a northern elite. Clinton was savvy to always play up his southern roots and Usenet, which inoculated him from charges of being an elitist. Gore was humiliated by his own state that rejected him in the 2000 election

by Anonymousreply 93September 5, 2021 7:09 PM

I still can't get over the fact that Clinton once commissioned an opinion poll to find out where he should go on holiday, but I guess that prevented him from becoming Gore.

by Anonymousreply 94September 5, 2021 7:17 PM

If Gore would have kept his Tennessee identity, he could have won. He got all high and mighty and didn’t use his southern roots to political advantage like Clinton

by Anonymousreply 97September 5, 2021 7:32 PM

Al Gore sealed the rejection of Democrats by the South. It’s unreal to think West Virginia, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Missouri voted Democratic in the 90s. NC almost went for Clinton

by Anonymousreply 98September 5, 2021 7:35 PM

Al Gore would have been a great president but he wasn't a great candidate (unlike Bill). Marrying Tipper Gore, speaking like a drone and choosing the even more square and boring Lieberman as his VP did not make him seem any "cooler".

by Anonymousreply 99September 5, 2021 7:43 PM

I wanted to climb on top of Big Al Gore.

by Anonymousreply 100September 5, 2021 7:53 PM

[quote] choosing the even more square and boring Lieberman as his VP

Why do the Democratic presidential nominees who are accused of lacking warmth and charisma always insist on picking someone even more boring, stiff and non-charismatic to be their running mate? Dukakis picked Lloyd Bentsen. Gore picked Joe Lieberman. Hillary picked Tim Kaine. It's a strategy that never works, yet Democrats keep doing it anyway.

by Anonymousreply 101September 5, 2021 8:12 PM

[quote]If Gore would have kept his Tennessee identity, he could have won. He got all high and mighty and didn’t use his southern roots to political advantage like Clinton

A sad reminder that most people vote for stupid reasons. It may be the most depressing thing about democracy. You have to appeal to morons by at least trying to come across as a moron. The Republicans have a natural advantage in this respect.

by Anonymousreply 102September 5, 2021 8:17 PM

R101, I have no idea. You think they would have learned their lesson by now but no. Al Gore would have been a great president but he should have made better choices.

by Anonymousreply 103September 5, 2021 8:18 PM

He doesn’t seem to do much activism anymore, laying low. Why is that? He sure made a shit ton of money and lived high.

by Anonymousreply 104September 5, 2021 8:24 PM

I wonder what Tipper Gore thinks of Cardi B.

by Anonymousreply 105September 5, 2021 8:27 PM

Maybe age, r104. Maybe got tired of feeling like he was talking to stupid people and getting nowhere.

by Anonymousreply 106September 5, 2021 8:27 PM

R106 That’s what I’d do. Take my money and relax!

by Anonymousreply 107September 5, 2021 8:30 PM

Gore is in his seventies now, maybe he just wants to relax and enjoy the few years he has left.

by Anonymousreply 108September 5, 2021 8:33 PM

Yeah but he’s been mostly off the radar for what, a good 15 years now?

by Anonymousreply 109September 5, 2021 8:35 PM

So unpopular that he won the popular vote in the 2000 presidential election.

by Anonymousreply 110September 5, 2021 8:37 PM

Yep but he essentially tied George W. Bush during a booming economy

by Anonymousreply 111September 5, 2021 8:39 PM

Republicans were able to use the culture war adroitly against Al Gore in a way they could do against Bill Arkansas Bubba Clinton. Bill Clinton clung to his southern identity; Gore seemed to flee from it, and he lost the South solidly

by Anonymousreply 112September 5, 2021 8:42 PM

Won the popular vote.

The deciding factor came down to the state of Florida.

A state governed by his opponent's brother.

Dot dot dot.

by Anonymousreply 113September 5, 2021 8:59 PM

He is a good man; he would've made a decent president. His big mistake was to turn his back on Clinton when he was running. So he would not have made a great president like Bill.

by Anonymousreply 114September 5, 2021 9:16 PM

I guess some of you hadn't been born yet. Still, I'm surprised no one has mentioned how Rolling Stone magazine had to airbrush Gore's giant dong (trapped in its khaki prison) when he posed for the cover story.

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by Anonymousreply 115September 5, 2021 9:23 PM

Tiny, diseased, mushroom cocklets are favored by real Americans.

by Anonymousreply 116September 5, 2021 9:27 PM

Ivy league schools do not mean you have the sense God gave you. Until we get past that propaganda that schooling and business experience makes one a good candidate, we will never have change in this country. I remind people that Abraham Lincoln NEVER went to school.

by Anonymousreply 117September 5, 2021 9:34 PM

[quote]He is a good man; he would've made a decent president. His big mistake was to turn his back on Clinton when he was running.

Al Gore had a lot more to turn his back on Clinton about when he ran in 2000. Clinton-Gore ran as if they'd be "co-presidents" in 1992, sort of like Gov Jimmy Carter ran with Sen Walter Mondale in 1976. Gore was going to be very important, not just some VP they sent to funerals. HOWEVER, once elected, Gore was not #2, he was #3 behind Hillary. Not that that's a bad thing, but it was a major blow to Al Gore's ego.

by Anonymousreply 118September 5, 2021 10:00 PM

R93 R97 Let's cut the bullshit, shall we?

Al Gore grew up in Washington DC, where his father worked as a US Senator. He went to the same sort of Date-Rape prep schools as Brett Kavanaugh and the children of exiled dictators. He only saw Tennessee on summer vacations, when he would briefly "work" on the family farm two days a month.

He was about as Southern as Mitt Romney.

by Anonymousreply 119September 6, 2021 5:47 AM

And it showed, and that’s largely why he lost, but he did get elected Senator from Tennessee

by Anonymousreply 120September 6, 2021 6:27 AM

My favorite Bill Clinton cabinet member was Jocelyn Elders.

by Anonymousreply 121September 6, 2021 7:08 AM

Wondering whether r73 is a troll? Here are some of his other posts:

[quote]If most of these whores would just learn to keep their legs closed, we wouldn't need to have this conversation.

[quote]This is the inevitable result of socialism. Socialism cannot spread if people are allowed to point out its flaws and failures. That is why the first thing socialists do when they gain power is to silence any opposition. Even going so far as to ban people from social media.

[quote]R74 I'm more interested in seeing Obama's college records, so I can learn about how someone who almost flunked out of third class Occidental College was admitted to Harvard law school. Also, why was he awarded that scholarship for international students?

by Anonymousreply 122September 6, 2021 7:32 AM

Gore had as much charisma as a wet stuffed animal.

by Anonymousreply 123September 6, 2021 7:36 AM

R121 Joycelyn Elders wasn't quite in the cabinet, but close enough.

She got fired for telling the medical truth about drug addiction and comprehensive sex education. Bill Clinton was more worried about his sunken political fortunes than in giving sound medical advice to American families, so he fired her and disavowed everything she said as the nation's chief medical officer.

Hillbilly dickhead.

by Anonymousreply 124September 6, 2021 7:58 AM

R21 Bill Bradley - he was the Dem golden boy for a while there. What happened to him? Did he ever make a serious run? That’s too bad.

by Anonymousreply 125September 6, 2021 8:17 AM

Florida's Republicans were willing to allow a "do-over election". The point of contention was WHO should be allowed to vote in it.

Republicans demanded that any registered voter be allowed to vote. Democrats knew Gore would lose Florida by a landslide unless only people who voted the first time around on election day were allowed to cast ballots, because Gore only did as well as he DID because so many Republicans in Florida took a Bush victory for granted & didn't bother to vote the first time around.

In a do-over vote that would literally decide the election, close to 100% of Florida Republicans would have turned out to vote, and it would have been numerically-impossible for Gore to win. Gore had too much honor to pursue a strategy that would have required disenfranchising voters on Election Day #2.

Also... Gore was VERY unpopular in Florida. Democrats were ambivalent about him, Jews only gave a shit because Lieberman was his running mate, Blacks had zero love for either one of them, and Cuban Democrats were statistically nonexistent back then. Republicans hated him for being a Democrat, and had no particular reason to dislike Bush (at the time).

by Anonymousreply 126September 6, 2021 8:40 AM

Biden was a dummy for picking her. Should have picked Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren, or Pete Buttigieg.

by Anonymousreply 128September 6, 2021 9:32 AM

Elizabeth Warren is especially disliked beyond Northeastern liberals. She would be upstaging Biden with preachy lecturing at every turn

by Anonymousreply 129September 6, 2021 10:02 AM

I like Corey Booker or Pete too. Or even Tammy Duckworth

by Anonymousreply 130September 6, 2021 12:51 PM

Well he's married to a hardcore conservative right wing lunatic.

by Anonymousreply 131September 6, 2021 1:29 PM

R122 I'm flattered that you're stalking me, but you're really not my type.

by Anonymousreply 132September 6, 2021 2:06 PM

At the time, Gore knew that Clinton's reputation was in tatters because of Lewinsky, the impeachment and "I did not have sex with that woman". I can understand why he tried to distance himself from Clinton.

by Anonymousreply 133September 6, 2021 2:44 PM

R133, that was two years before Gore was the candidate.

by Anonymousreply 134September 6, 2021 2:49 PM

And Bush explicitly ran on bringing honor and dignity back to the White House. The nation definitely had Clinton Fatigue and still had it in 2016

by Anonymousreply 135September 6, 2021 3:17 PM

[quote]that was two years before Gore was the candidate.

It was still dragging on. In April 1999, Clinton was found in contempt of court and his law license was pulled in April 2000. This was in the news while Gore was trying to campaign.

by Anonymousreply 136September 6, 2021 3:21 PM

[Quote] And Bush explicitly ran on bringing honor and dignity back to the White House. The nation definitely had Clinton Fatigue and still had it in 2016

Again, then and now, the Dems let the Cons set the narrative. Big mistake. The Dems should have closed in and stuck with Bill. Admit no errors.

Joe seems to be reversing it though.

by Anonymousreply 137September 6, 2021 3:38 PM

Wonder whether R122 is a troll? Here are some of his other posts.

[quote] I like to go to the park and look at dogs' anuses. It gratifies me.

[quote] I put my penis in the vacuum cleaner hose. Stepmom don't mind.

[quote] When I’m feeling stressed, I rub hormone cream on my ample breasts.

by Anonymousreply 138September 6, 2021 3:39 PM

[quote] Al Gore would have been a great president but he should have made better choices.

Disagree. His choices speak volumes. A presidency is all about “choices”.

[quote] He sure made a shit ton of money and lived high.

Indeed.

[quote] Gore had as much charisma as a wet stuffed animal.

Agree, R123.

by Anonymousreply 140September 6, 2021 5:09 PM

I love revisionist history

by Anonymousreply 141September 6, 2021 5:19 PM

No, he wasn't unpopular he was BORING. He was portrayed as a dull piece of nothing. Clinton was the "cool" guy who smoked and had sex whilst Gore did his homework and went to church.

DULL not unpopular

by Anonymousreply 142September 6, 2021 5:22 PM

The main thing Bush did to arouse disapproval was go to war in Iraq & Afghanistan. It's unlikely Gore would have handled post-9/11 much differently in that regard. BOTH parties have been enthusiastic warmongers since the 1990s.

God forbid, if Hillary had been Gore's Secretary of State circa 2001, at least one country would have probably ended up getting NUKED.

The biggest difference between Al Gore & George Bush is that the Gores really WERE Evangelical Bible-Bangers, while Bush just played along with them for votes.

Does anyone SERIOUSLY think Gore would have ended DADT (in a good way, vs resuming the military's anti-gay witch hunts) or fought for gay marriage? At least Bush was OK to hate on & blame, and is arguably why we got to have OBAMA in 2008 instead of ending up with McCain & Palin after 8 years of almost-as-bad Gore.

by Anonymousreply 143September 6, 2021 5:36 PM

Maybe Afghanistan, r143, and leaving aside the question of whether an Al Gore administration would have given a shit about terrorism, unlike the Bush administration which clearly didn't before 9/11. But it's possible it would have happened anyway, and i do think any administration would be pressed hard to go to war in Afghanistan, where Osama Bin Laden was being harbored. I can see that.

But Iraq was completely unnecessary and never made any sense. I still don't know why we went to war there. I suspect it had to do with weird and stupid psychological reasons having to do with Bush's dad, and unfinished business, and some other sloppy nonsense. In a war against Islamic fundamentalist assholes, a secular asshole like Hussein would have been a natural ally. Far more than the Saudi princes who are always playing footsie with the terrorists. The Iraq war was a strategic blunder.

As for DADT, we should remember why that started. The Clintons wanted to end the ban on gays in the military and stumbled and fumbled there way into a huge mess, courtesy of the deeply homophobic Democratic Senator from Georgia Sam Nunn. Their hearts were in the right place, but they fucked it up and wound up with this stupid awful compromise. Maybe Al Gore would have tried to undo it, get back to the original idea with a little more patience and skill. Maybe not. I can't really say on that one.

by Anonymousreply 144September 6, 2021 5:50 PM

Everybody blames Bush for Iraq, but forget that Clinton also bombed Iraq. Unfortunately, he failed to do anything more and the Islamists took jihad further with 9/11. Clinton's bombing was used as propaganda about how evil the US was.

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by Anonymousreply 145September 6, 2021 6:13 PM

People blame Bush for the Iraq War because Bush started the Iraq War, pretty much on a whim. It is true we've been dicking around in Iraq since the 1st Iraq War, with santions and bombings and all kinds of random shit no doubt. But the full scale Iraq War and occupation was a different level altogether. And I don't really know why it happened. There was no real reason for it.

by Anonymousreply 146September 6, 2021 6:17 PM

Bush is truly a Christian believer, an evangelical. He was not pretending

by Anonymousreply 147September 6, 2021 6:23 PM

Exactly. I doubt Gore would have been objectively WORSE than Bush, but I think it's naive to assume he would have been meaningfully better.

Suppose for a moment that you're in charge of an elite team of hypothetical Democratic operatives circa 2019 with a time machine left by dead aliens that can be used only once. With the benefit of hindsight, would you:

a) squander the trip to try and secure Gore's election in 2000, at the risk of putting McCain/Palin in the White House in 2008 and giving Republicans total control over the Great Recession's handling... or

b) use it to try and get literally ANYONE besides Donald Trump elected in 2016. Itself, a high-risk proposition, because almost any Republican BESIDES Trump would have probably beaten a Democratic Party dived between Hillary and Bernie (there were a lot of "Never Trump" Republicans, but significant number of "Never (Jeb) Bush" Republicans who would have even CONTEMPLATED voting for Hillary to keep Jeb from winning), probably nominated the same Supreme Court Justices Trump did, and would have quite possibly gotten re-elected in 2020 (setting the stage for a Supreme Court so hopelessly owned by Republican-leaning judges, it would have literally caused a crisis of institutional legitimacy because even REPUBLICANS would have been uncomfortable with the optics of THAT happening).

by Anonymousreply 148September 6, 2021 6:41 PM

ugh, major r148 typo. The line about Jeb in the final paragraph should read, "(there were a lot of "Never Trump" Republicans, but NO significant number of "Never (Jeb) Bush Republicans..."

by Anonymousreply 149September 6, 2021 6:44 PM

Gore would have been infinitely better than Bush. There would be no Alito or Roberts on the Court

by Anonymousreply 150September 6, 2021 6:44 PM

[quote]I heard on TV Kamala has the lowest popularity ratings since Al Gore.

That's a lie. At Day 225, she's still slightly above Mike Pence, Troll.

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by Anonymousreply 151September 6, 2021 6:50 PM

Let's all remember that because Bush Jr was someone "we'd prefer to have a beer with," because of 500 or so assholes in FLORIDA, and because of ONE supreme court justice, we landed into two unwinnable wars.

by Anonymousreply 152September 6, 2021 6:52 PM

The irony being, Roberts is NOW forced to clench his teeth and be the Court's token "liberal" to preserve its appearance of legitimacy. I have no doubt he's voted and written opinions that left him depressed and in tears that he personally disagreed with, but felt compelled to make because he knows that the Supreme Court's institutional legitimacy exists because the Court ITSELF asserted its right to "judicial review" & everyone else went along with it... and because the alternative would be even worse.

by Anonymousreply 153September 6, 2021 6:53 PM

[quote] stumbled and fumbled there way into a huge mess,

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 154September 6, 2021 6:54 PM

[quote]I don't think he started talking about global warming until years after he was veep.

Hi R11,

Did you not have the six seconds it took to look up his Wiki page and do a word search of "environment"?

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by Anonymousreply 155September 6, 2021 6:57 PM

People forget how far Gore was behind in the weeks up to election day. Bush was over 50%. Gore was in low 40s.

Late deciders voted 2-1 for Gore, causing the near tie.

by Anonymousreply 156September 6, 2021 7:01 PM

Al Gore won in 2000. People liked him enough to elect him president. The Rethugs stole the election through the Supreme Court.

by Anonymousreply 157September 6, 2021 7:02 PM

I wouldn't say Bush started the Iraq war. That war was wanted and planned not by Bush but by the uniparty military industrial complex, who then presented it to him in such a way that he had no choice but to go to war. They would've presented it the same way to Gore.

by Anonymousreply 158September 6, 2021 7:06 PM

[quote] But the full scale Iraq War ... There was no real reason for it.

Saddam signed an agreement to allow inspectors into his chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons facilities after the first Iraq war. Then, he unilaterally and quite suddenly barred the inspectors from his weapons facilities. People negotiated with him for months to allow the inspectors back in. He refused. People (quite logically in my opinion) concluded that he was restarting his production of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons.

Of course, it turned out he only had a very small amount of chemical weapons, and no biological or nuclear weapons. Why he barred the inspectors is a question that will probably never be answered definitively.

by Anonymousreply 159September 6, 2021 7:11 PM

Like Kerry and Hillary, the media disliked Gore. They portrayed him as a braggadocio know it all who claimed he invented the internet. They portrayed Bush as the cool Texas bro you wanna have beer with

by Anonymousreply 160September 6, 2021 7:17 PM

Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.

This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere.

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by Anonymousreply 161September 6, 2021 7:20 PM

[quote]I wouldn't say Bush started the Iraq war. That war was wanted and planned not by Bush but by the uniparty military industrial complex, who then presented it to him in such a way that he had no choice but to go to war. They would've presented it the same way to Gore.

A Vietnam vet who was against that war was going to get us into two different Middle-Eastern wars?

Sure, Jan.

by Anonymousreply 162September 6, 2021 7:21 PM

[quote]Honestly looking on as an outside,r while both are dreadful I found it easier to understand why Trump beat Clinton than why Bush beat Gore. I understand better why people make crazy political choices now, but in 2000 I was very young and it seemed incomprehensible that anyone could vote for Bush, who seemed dumber than a box of rocks, had a flat personality, and always had a weird vacant expression on his face and a difficulty in pronouncing long words.

Believe me, any American who had an IQ above room temperature felt the same way about Bush. We knew he was a moron and couldn't believe someone as stupid as he was could be the nominee. We were just as perplexed as you were.

by Anonymousreply 163September 6, 2021 7:26 PM

R162 Yes. When the intelligence community is presenting you with the idea that there is a madman dictator, with an active chemical/biological/nuclear weapons program, you have almost no choice. If the intelligence is true and you didn't do anything your administration is over. Any president regardless of party would've fell for it.

by Anonymousreply 164September 6, 2021 7:35 PM

[quote]Again, then and now, the Dems let the Cons set the narrative. Big mistake. The Dems should have closed in and stuck with Bill. Admit no errors.

R137 EXACTLY! The Dems are weak and refuse to give the finger to their critics. Especially when those critics live in glass houses.

by Anonymousreply 165September 6, 2021 7:35 PM

In 2000, Gore lost both NH (4 electoral votes) and his home state of TN (11 electoral votes). Had he won NH, he would have been elected (FL results would not have mattered). He lost TN because of his anti-gun stance.

Politicians lie all the time. All Gore had to do when it came to guns was lie, and he most likely could have (not saying would have) won TN. And then won the election.

Bush came across as much warmer than Gore, his "I found Jesus" moment in one of the R debates helped him tremendously, despite him coming across as stupid.

Clinton, Gore, Obama, Clinton... what could have been. Supreme Court would be filled with liberal-leaning judges, TX would not have been able to pass than archaic anti-abortion law, the Orange Turd would never have run, let alone won... it amazes me how different the country would have been.

Somebody needs to convince Breyer he needs to retire NOW, cause the Dems are running out of time.

Instead, and I believe this to be true, if the R win the House and/or Senate in '22, and the WH in '24, I'll never see the Dems in power again in my lifetime (and I'm only 54). SCOTUS will be 7-2 eventually (once Breyer retires) and the country will be run by the minority who will continue to cheat and steal every chance they get.

Sorry, totally off topic... :)

by Anonymousreply 166September 6, 2021 7:45 PM

[quote] I doubt Gore would have been objectively WORSE than Bush, but I think it's naive to assume he would have been meaningfully better.

How about stem cell research? How about no Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court? No Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. No tax cuts for the wealthy. No brain dead response to Hurricane Katrina. No (fill in blank here) ?

by Anonymousreply 167September 6, 2021 7:45 PM

Gore was a big dicked elitist, "we" like our politicians with mushroom caps who can grab a beer with us.

by Anonymousreply 168September 6, 2021 7:46 PM

The idiot Democrats ran bore Gore and then immediately after ran carbon copy John Kerry. I don't know what was going on in those years, but the Democrats should have been looking to build a younger party. They didn't get the hint by allowing Grandma Clinton, Grim Reaper Sanders and Scold Warren to run.

by Anonymousreply 169September 6, 2021 7:53 PM

And no flaccid military response for TWO DECADES AT THE COST OF EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS IN AFGHANISTAN.

by Anonymousreply 170September 6, 2021 8:14 PM

He was viewed as sort of a southern version of Elizabeth Warren. Annoyingly nagging and condescending

by Anonymousreply 171September 6, 2021 8:24 PM

[quote] When the intelligence community is presenting you with the idea that there is a madman dictator, with an active chemical/biological/nuclear weapons program, you have almost no choice

And yet, Senator Obama voted against the Iraq war, and he turned out to be right. I think that one vote, for good or ill, secured the presidency for him.

by Anonymousreply 172September 6, 2021 8:24 PM

[quote]He lost TN because of his anti-gun stance.

Gore was ahead of his time.

by Anonymousreply 173September 6, 2021 8:25 PM

"When the intelligence community is presenting you with the idea that there is a madman dictator, with an active chemical/biological/nuclear weapons program,"

You vote for him twice and plan a visit to the nation's capital on January 06, 2021.

by Anonymousreply 174September 6, 2021 8:27 PM

[quote]They didn't get the hint by allowing Grandma Clinton, Grim Reaper Sanders and Scold Warren to run.

ALLOWING? You have a real problem besides being an idiot, R169.

by Anonymousreply 175September 6, 2021 8:31 PM

R172 It is much easier to vote against something when you are just a Senator and you know it is going to pass regardless of how you vote.

by Anonymousreply 176September 6, 2021 8:35 PM

Gore was stiff but the vast majority of his flaws were greatly exaggerated by the shallow drama queen bullies of the DC press. One journalist, I believe it was Margaret Carlson, actually admitted in an interview with that sleazebag Don Imus that journalists attacked Gore more than Bush because it was " more fun". There was an incident discussed by some reporter were a group of reporters loudly jeered, hissed and booed at Gore while watching the debate. The general rule of political media is if reporters adore a politico then that person is completely incompetent or scum and if they are hated by the press they would generally make a good leader. There are a few exceptions but this is generally the case. Paul Krugman described this phenomenon very well. He said that journalists covering politicians have a problem with deciding that they are accurate judges of character but are frequently wrong.

by Anonymousreply 177September 6, 2021 8:39 PM

[quote] The idiot Democrats ran bore Gore and then immediately after ran carbon copy John Kerry. I don't know what was going on in those years

I firmly believe GHB made a deal with Bill and Hill that she waits for 2008 and the republicans will field no strong candidate against her so she wins in walk. Likewise dems will nominate a schmuck like Kerry in 2004 so GW gets his own two terms. Nobody planned on Obbama. It 𝙬𝙖𝙨 her turn after all.

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by Anonymousreply 178September 6, 2021 8:47 PM

[quote]Senator Obama voted against the Iraq war, and he turned out to be right.

Obama voted for NOTHING. He wasn't in the US Senate, dummy. As a STATE senator who voted "present" rather than take a stand either way numerous times, there's no guarantee that Obama would have the balls to actually vote against the Iraq War if he were able to. It's much easier to take a stand when you're not directly involved.

by Anonymousreply 179September 6, 2021 9:02 PM

[quote]No (fill in blank here) ?

No Citizens-fucking-United.

by Anonymousreply 180September 6, 2021 9:23 PM

[quote] The media portrayed him as smug and unpersonable. Similar to how they portray Kamala.

Sometimes the media portray people accurately.

by Anonymousreply 181September 6, 2021 10:59 PM

Yeah, he always was lampooned mercilessly for purportedly sayin he invented the intern

by Anonymousreply 182September 6, 2021 11:23 PM

People were like Gore will say anything to win

by Anonymousreply 183September 6, 2021 11:23 PM

Well R124, I did very much appreciate Jocelyn Elders' advise about teaching young women how to masturbate and to prevent unwanted pregnancies, the latter being a big problem, esp among young Black women. But unfortunately Bill Clinton didn't have much of a choice but to fire Elders. I guarantee you even in 2021 the suggestion that young woman should learn about their own sexuality by masturbation, is unfortunately still a taboo subject.

by Anonymousreply 184September 6, 2021 11:42 PM

Bill Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998. Bernie Sanders voted in favor of it. Everybody left and right thought it was the right thing to do to get rid of Saddam Hussein. It's just Cheney and Rumsfeld who turned the Iraq war into a bonanza for the military industrial complex.

by Anonymousreply 185September 6, 2021 11:53 PM

[quote]Everybody blames Bush for Iraq, but forget that Clinton also bombed Iraq.

Everybody forgets that 9/11 could very well have happened in 1993 and that it was known that bin Laden was behind the truck full of explosives parked in the basement of the WTC.

by Anonymousreply 186September 7, 2021 12:04 AM

[quote] for purportedly sayin he invented the intern

I had nothing to do with him. All lies.

by Anonymousreply 187September 7, 2021 12:21 AM

R184, I also appreciated Jocelyn Elders going on Saturday Morning TV and teaching young girls how to masturbate.

by Anonymousreply 188September 7, 2021 12:31 AM

That was politically stupid. On a Sunday no less

by Anonymousreply 189September 7, 2021 12:38 AM

We would not be sitting in quarantine for two years with no end in sight to this pandemic if the 2000 and 2016 election were not stolen. Your guy told us this thing is no big deal and would just go away. It told us to inject bleach and eat horse dewormer and no lockdowns.

by Anonymousreply 190September 7, 2021 1:07 AM

> How about stem cell research? How about no Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court? No Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. > No tax cuts for the wealthy. No brain dead response to Hurricane Katrina. No (fill in blank here) ?

Once again, I point out that the White House has a historic tendency to flip to the other party after two-term presidents. We got to have Obama in 2008, and he was exactly whom we NEEDED to have as President the following year. I'd forcefully argue that mucking with history in any way, shape, or form that might affect Obama's election in 2008 would be UNFATHOMABLY reckless. Bush wasn't good, and Gore might have been "better", but the Republicans would have completely DESTROYED America's economy in 2009 to allow the 1/10 of 1% to plunder the savings and assets of literally EVERYONE ELSE at fire-sale prices , creating a new cadre of oligarchs that would have made Russia's look like paupers... and assuming they were even American, as opposed to, say, Saudi.

Let nobody forget just *how dire* things were when Obama was literally the only thing standing between the Tea Party and the realization of its slash & burn agenda. When the Republicans threatened to default on the debt ceiling in the insane hope that destroying our nation's credit would make it impossible for future governments to AFFORD any kind of social safety net. When "Obamacare" was far from a done deal, and people with individual health insurance policies had to make sure they got expensive disorders in January, and got them fully addressed before December 31 of the same year, because their insurer would otherwise decide to discontinue their policy and make them sign up for a new one... with everything they ever had prior to that point excluded going forward as a pre-existing condition.

All the bad stuff r167 mentions is literal sand in the Sahara Desert, or piss in the Pacific Ocean, compared to the staggering harm the Republicans could have done between 2008-2016 had a 2000-2008 Gore administration tipped the election towards a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 191September 7, 2021 1:14 AM

I wonder what a Vice President John Edwards would have been like?

by Anonymousreply 192September 7, 2021 1:14 AM

R191, your argument for the pendulum swinging the other wasn't intended to swing progress back a couple of decades (and then some). You're kind of oblivious to all the damage that has been done. You mean it could have been worse? Well, then, there really is no hope, because it shouldn't have gotten this bad. And it has been bad for a long while.

I'm really sick of people gas-lighting others into believing they're chicken littles. The Tea Party is nothing compared to the Republican Party presently.

Dangerous, minority ideals carry a disproportionate influence in major parts of the American government.

Trump would have gotten reelected were it not for his poor handling of a PANDEMIC.

A large chunk of people still refuse to get vaccinated because they're selfish idiots. These people vote.

JFC.

by Anonymousreply 193September 7, 2021 1:27 AM

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by Anonymousreply 194September 7, 2021 1:58 AM

[quote]Once again, I point out that the White House...

WHO the fuck are you? Don't point ANYTHING OUT to any of us. I suggest you quit you day job at Abercrombie and go into government. THEN tell us how IT works.

And before you say it, I'll say it - FUCK YOU.

by Anonymousreply 195September 7, 2021 2:08 AM

And yet you voted for a serial adulterer who paid for sex his entire life ( no one would fuck him if he weren't paying for it)including paying five figures to fuck a porn star while his third wife was pregnant.

by Anonymousreply 196September 7, 2021 2:21 AM

I guess the only good thing about Trump is that Republicans can't ever make a big deal out of a sex scandal again. If a Clinton-type sex scandal appeared today, all one would have to do is point at Trump and what a pig he was and say "are you kidding? You can't be outraged any more. Sorry."

by Anonymousreply 197September 7, 2021 2:46 AM

R197 that would be the logical conclusion. But I suspect that the double standard regarding sex will remain.

by Anonymousreply 198September 7, 2021 3:07 AM

R198 is right.

And whomever posted earlier about Dems needing to stop playing like the Repubs follow the rules is also correct. Actually, they didn’t say that. I did. What they said was more like play dirty and act like you didn’t, just like the Repubs.

Democracy is at stake. And we are way behind as it is.

by Anonymousreply 199September 7, 2021 3:29 AM

I think we can authoritatively say that his loss was due to things beyond his control.

by Anonymousreply 200September 7, 2021 3:42 AM

R122, that is amazing.

You may have blown the lid off of this thing.

by Anonymousreply 201September 7, 2021 3:44 AM

[quote]I guess the only good thing about Trump is that Republicans can't ever make a big deal out of a sex scandal again. If a Clinton-type sex scandal appeared today, all one would have to do is point at Trump and what a pig he was and say "are you kidding? You can't be outraged any more. Sorry."

Well the far left tried by a pushing a phony sex scandal onto Biden with Tara Reade. An acquaintance of mine who goes between far left and far right propaganda like daily underwear changes, absolutely believes Biden's touchy feely behavior with women is just as bad as Trump's puss grabbing.

There's literally no difference between those two extremist groups any more.

by Anonymousreply 202September 7, 2021 4:43 AM

In all seriousness, Kamala's relative invisibility is bizarre and inexcusable. That bitch needs to be hitting the pavement daily and treating the next 3 years as an open-ended stealth presidential campaign, Covid be damned.

Buy her a fucking Popemobile, and have her waving in every parade possible.

Send her on a college tour to make every student of voting age in America adore the ground she walks on.

Get her on motherfucking Saturday Night Live.

The Democratic Party isn't poor. Hire the best consultants on earth to polish her image and teach her to glow until she lights up the room wherever she goes. It's a small investment in America's future.

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by Anonymousreply 203September 7, 2021 4:50 AM

R202, you need to learn to separate fact from fiction.

The mainstream media pushed the Trump Russia story for 18 months.

by Anonymousreply 204September 7, 2021 4:52 AM

RXXIV, I thought it was well-established that Gore stuffed his pants for htat int4eri3w

by Anonymousreply 205September 7, 2021 4:53 AM

he saw all the poon that Clinton was getting. It made his boner huge.

by Anonymousreply 206September 7, 2021 4:53 AM

It made his boner get amazinging hard.

by Anonymousreply 207September 7, 2021 4:54 AM

The world will understand my ideas, some day.

by Anonymousreply 208September 7, 2021 4:54 AM

Incidentally... the Mercedes popemobile is also airtight & has its own oxygen supply and CO2 scrubber. Kamala's popemobile could literally drive into a misty plume of SARS-COVD-2 virii and emerge (after its exterior's decontamination) unscathed. It's also armor-plated and has bulletproof glass.

Plus, it's Mercedes-Benz, so it's up to the standards of taste she had for her own cars.

by Anonymousreply 209September 7, 2021 5:01 AM

You can't make somebody happen, who doesn't have it. The primaries clearly proved KH doesn't have it.

I hope Joe does both terms and then it's back to square one. The Dems have great female candidates - Amy Klobuchar, Val Demings, Stacey Abrams and in the future Lauren Underwood, Sharice Davids. Kamala should look for another job.

by Anonymousreply 210September 7, 2021 5:03 AM

Kamal Harris is not going to be president.

by Anonymousreply 211September 7, 2021 5:12 AM

R210 If joe makes it through one term, I will be shocked.

by Anonymousreply 212September 7, 2021 7:03 AM

R210, they just need to continue to feed him ice cream.

by Anonymousreply 213September 7, 2021 7:20 AM

Joe make it through one term? Don't make me laugh.

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by Anonymousreply 214September 7, 2021 8:45 AM

[quote] I guess the only good thing about Trump is that Republicans can't ever make a big deal out of a sex scandal again. If a Clinton-type sex scandal appeared today, all one would have to do is point at Trump and what a pig he was and say "are you kidding? You can't be outraged any more. Sorry."

Didn’t work for me.

by Anonymousreply 215September 7, 2021 2:05 PM

[quote] RXXIV, I thought it was well-established that Gore stuffed his pants for htat int4eri3w

Are you typing with one hand or something?

by Anonymousreply 216September 7, 2021 2:05 PM

Its easy to see Kamala as unlikely to become President. I agree with the negative assessments of a Presidential campaign for her. But she's VP. Her chances of becoming President start out in the 20% range there just by occupying the position. And there is some chance she runs and wins.

Its kinda like when people said Trump had no chance. His winning the nomination gave him a 50% chance of being President and any additional calculations on those chances (his idiocy, his offensiveness) only move the needle a tiny bit.

by Anonymousreply 217September 7, 2021 6:46 PM

R215 I think the public still consider work based sex scandals differently.

Trump's sex scandals all involved "private" individuals so it was different than Coumo's. Trump's sex scandals would be more comparable to John Edwards or Gary Hart.

by Anonymousreply 218September 7, 2021 8:57 PM

Yes, private consensual sexual shenanigans. Not assault or harassment, which of course it completely different and criminal.

by Anonymousreply 219September 7, 2021 10:02 PM

And pretty much the operating principle of the Trump "modeling" agency, r219.

by Anonymousreply 220September 8, 2021 6:05 AM

Part of the antipathy towards Al Gore was put forth by Rush Limbaugh and "humorists" like P.J. O'Rourke. There really wasn't antipathy towards him until he ran for president. Also, from 1996 to 2000, the South was targeted by rightwing and Fundamentalist Christian groups, like Falwell and Robertson handing out "voter guides" at Protestant churches. Gore made several mistakes in his campaign. The biggest one was putting a Jew on the ticket, dropping a few points in key states like his home in Tennessee, and also Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Kentucky and Ohio. He could have chosen Florida governor Bob Graham and done better in all those states. Even his campaign in his home state of Tennessee, he ran in Memphis, when he should have blanketed Tennessee, Kentucky and Ohio with live appearances in places like Cookeville, Paducah and Chillicothe.

by Anonymousreply 221September 8, 2021 4:03 PM

R221 I don’t think Lieberman was ultimately the problem. I knew many Southern conservatives that actually liked Lieberman while hating Gore.

by Anonymousreply 222September 8, 2021 5:49 PM

Al Gore was about as exciting as a limp penis at an orgy.

by Anonymousreply 223September 8, 2021 6:11 PM

People, the real reason, the ONLY REASON Al Gore lost the election in 2000, is because of his absolutely shitty performance at the debates with Bush. The bad make-up, the sighing, the trying to act as natural as Clinton did in his debates, sunk him. You could argue that Gore didn't lose in Nov 2000, but it shouldn't have been so close anyway.

Otherwise, Gore was not an unpopular vice president, he was hardly noticed.

by Anonymousreply 224September 8, 2021 7:33 PM

[quote] I don’t think Lieberman was ultimately the problem.

You don't think a JEWISH man from fucking CONNECTICUT was unpalatable to the country as a whole? I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, bubbe.

by Anonymousreply 225September 8, 2021 7:37 PM

At least 50% of Americans are stupid, ignorant bigots and they wanted a President who was just as stupid, ignorant and bigoted as them. Hence, W. Bush and Trump.

by Anonymousreply 226September 8, 2021 7:38 PM

[quote] You could argue that Gore didn't lose in Nov 2000, but it shouldn't have been so close anyway.

This is extremely accurate. Clinton was an exceptionally popular president who would’ve probably won a third term if that were allowed. His VP should’ve had a running start and never been behind.

by Anonymousreply 227September 8, 2021 7:48 PM

If Bill Clinton could've run for a third term, he would've easily beaten Bush. No doubt in my mind.

by Anonymousreply 228September 8, 2021 8:08 PM

[quote] I don’t think Lieberman was ultimately the problem. I knew many Southern conservatives that actually liked Lieberman while hating Gore.

There were a lot more southern conservatives who would not vote for a Jew ever. That prejudice is strongest the further away you get from the Atlantic and Pacific coasts.

by Anonymousreply 229September 8, 2021 8:14 PM

[quote] If Bill Clinton could've run for a third term

You miss the big picture. Nobody loved Al but if Bill Clinton had resigned one day less than two years before the end of his term even Gore would have entered the 2000 race against Bush with the huge advantages of incumbency. And then assuming even a halfway decent record he would have still been extremely hard to beat in 2004. Four consecutive democratic terms were likely had Bill some humility.

by Anonymousreply 230September 8, 2021 8:19 PM

I’m sorry but this gives me Robert Ulrich vibes.

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by Anonymousreply 231September 8, 2021 8:41 PM

[quote]Al Gore was about as exciting as a limp penis at an orgy.

R223's comment describes how people feel about voting - they don't want competence or experience, they want EXCITMENT!

by Anonymousreply 232September 8, 2021 9:23 PM

Wasn't the 2000 election the one where South Park debuted the whole 'Douche vs Turd Sandwich' theme? With Bush as 'Douche' and Gore as 'Turd Sandwich'?

I know it got resurrected in 2016 (casting Mr. Garrison as Trump/Douche with Caitlyn Jenner as VP was pure brilliance), but I think Bush & Gore were the original Douche & Turd (followed by Gore's adventures with ManBearPig).

by Anonymousreply 233September 9, 2021 4:03 AM

I’d like to send Tipper an email with the song “Sugar Walls” by Sheena Easton embedded in it.

by Anonymousreply 234January 6, 2022 8:51 PM

People thought he was an aloof elitist who exaggerated to make himself look good. Republicans got lots of mileage claiming Gore said he invented the internet

by Anonymousreply 235January 6, 2022 8:59 PM

Op I’m listening to the newly unearthed “Sugar Walls (Roman Version Remix)” from the new Sheena Easton A Private Heaven - Deluxe Edition. Tipper would disapprove of hearing the portion where Sheena describes what her sugar walls look like.

by Anonymousreply 236April 7, 2022 6:01 PM

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