From Johnson's diaries:
[quote]And then I found myself in front of Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy. I called her name and put out my hand. I hardly know how to describe the next few moments of time. She looked at me as though from a great distance as though I were an aberration. I felt extreme hostility. Was it because I was alive? At least without a flicker of expression, she extended her hand very slightly. I took it with some murmured words of sorrow and walked on quickly. It was somehow shocking. Never in any contact with her before had I experienced this.
A bit shocking, considering Lady bird even allowed Caroline Kennedy to continue attending school at the White House after JFK was murdered. She said it was the only thing Jacqueline asked and the "easiest thing to say yes" in the world.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 178 | February 1, 2024 5:14 AM |
HER HUSBAND'S HEAD HAD JUST BEEN BLOWN UP ALL OVER HER DRESS!
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | January 28, 2024 8:51 PM |
It wasn't her husband's funeral, r1.
| by Anonymous | reply 2 | January 28, 2024 8:52 PM |
I don't think we can begin to understand how fucked up JKO was around that time. She looses Jack, she loses his brother (who was also her lover) in such a short amount of time. She was also on a fuckton of pills just to get her through the day. On top of that, I don't think two women could be anymore different, Jackie wasn't on her polite at all costs game, and understandably so. Lady Bird (loved her) should have realized that, and maybe refrained from discussing it so openly.
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | January 28, 2024 9:03 PM |
Perhaps li'l RFK Jr. was even then whispering his conspiracy theories into Aunt Jackie's ear.
Writing it in her diary was not "discussing it openly", R3.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | January 28, 2024 9:04 PM |
[quote]Lady Bird (loved her) should have realized that, and maybe refrained from discussing it so openly.
She asked for her diaries to be released only after her death.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | January 28, 2024 9:05 PM |
What did she want Jacqueline to do? Go plant some flowers? Eat her fucking snatch?
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | January 28, 2024 9:06 PM |
The two women were actually quite friendly and grew even closer as time progressed.
Jackie had Lady Bird as her guest each summer at her estate on Martha’s Vineyard.
Other than then current FLOTUS Hillary Clinton, Lady Bird was the only other FLOTUS invited to Jackie’s private funeral.
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | January 28, 2024 9:14 PM |
Don't get me started on Eartha Kitt!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 8 | January 28, 2024 9:22 PM |
In my opinion Jackie had PTSD as a result of being in the car when JKF was assassinated. Lady Bird was a big part of the events of that day. In fact, she was on the plane back to D.C. with Jackie and JFK’s coffin. RFK’s assassination must have triggered Jackie’s PTSD and so seeing Lady Bird at the funeral could have been a deep injury.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | January 28, 2024 9:26 PM |
Lady Bird knows what she did!
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | January 28, 2024 9:27 PM |
All women of good breeding have their bitch moments.
Also, think like a mother: How many times do you think she wondered if her children were next?
Surely this crossed her mind OFTEN, which is justified, as her son was next on the list, although due to his own poor decision making.
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | January 28, 2024 9:37 PM |
Not only had Jackie just lost her husband in the most violent way imaginable, this rube from Texas with her nasally twang was going to usurp her position as First Lady. A role Jackie had made her own
She's lucky Jackie didn't kick her in the cuntbone 🤨
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | January 28, 2024 9:39 PM |
Scrutinized by every person who ever saw her when wasn’t behind locked doors, hounded by paparazzi, widowed grotesquely as the nation watched, and attending yet another funeral. The amazing thing is that she held it together at all.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | January 28, 2024 9:43 PM |
[Quote] she loses his brother (who was also her lover)
Pleas site a source for this r3. It's the first I'm hearing it but you say it like it's supposed to be common knowledge.
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | January 28, 2024 9:43 PM |
[quote]Not only had Jackie just lost her husband
When this happened, her husband had been dead for 5 years.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | January 28, 2024 9:48 PM |
Jackie couldn't get enough of those Kennedy cocks.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | January 28, 2024 9:49 PM |
@r15, My bad, I guess the whole scenario brought back a lot of bad memories. Jackie freaked when RFK was assassinated screaming "They're killing Kennedys". She ran off and married Onassis shortly there after. I guess she had a lot on her mind
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | January 28, 2024 10:19 PM |
[quote]She was also on a fuckton of pills just to get her through the day.
I always knew there was a valid reason to hate her.
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | January 28, 2024 10:55 PM |
Maybe Jackie started to believe that LBJ was in on the JFK assassination.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | January 28, 2024 10:57 PM |
Jackie was jealous that Lady Bird was getting pounded by Jumbo all the time.
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | January 28, 2024 11:27 PM |
Jackie thought it was in bad taste for LBJ to whip Jumbo out right there in the receiving line.
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | January 28, 2024 11:33 PM |
Don't posters who get the facts wrong feel some kind of obligation acknowledge or do you just bluster your way through the world, spouting incorrect bullshit like a trumpeting elephant?
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | January 28, 2024 11:34 PM |
The Melania diaries:
[quote] Deer diary, I wake up, pee, eat breakfast, eat lunch, eat dinner, go to bed, Donald grab my pussy, I pretend orgasm, I sleep. And then I wake up, pee, eat breakfast...
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | January 28, 2024 11:37 PM |
If only we could edit the title to ROBERT Kennedy's funeral.
So he and Jackie were lovers? That would have been difficult to grieve, as you can't acknowledge your true feelings.
| by Anonymous | reply 25 | January 28, 2024 11:41 PM |
Maybr because she knew LBJ may have had a hand in it, or PTSD and pills.
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | January 28, 2024 11:50 PM |
^ Maybe she just didn't like the Johnsons and was sick of pretending she did
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | January 29, 2024 12:10 AM |
R24 Melania, correct pronunciation ees *poosey." Did I not teach you anything?
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | January 29, 2024 12:14 AM |
“ She looses Jack….”
From WGAT, exactly, R3?
Oh, dear.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | January 29, 2024 12:24 AM |
Well, that really backfired on you, r29.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | January 29, 2024 12:35 AM |
Reading skills and math skills. For example, R12. Lady Bird had been First Lady for years, when this incident at RFK's funeral took place.
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | January 29, 2024 12:45 AM |
[quote] Not only had Jackie just lost her husband in the most violent way imaginable, this rube from Texas with her nasally twang was going to usurp her position as First Lady. A role Jackie had made her own
Jackie was not the most active of first ladies. As the vice president's wife, Lady Bird assumed many of her official duties.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | January 29, 2024 12:47 AM |
Whoops, I see someone already school-marmed you. Sorry.
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | January 29, 2024 12:47 AM |
^ Funny how that works when you're trying to be a smartass 🤨
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | January 29, 2024 12:56 AM |
I was never in my life a conspiracy theorist. I wore that as a badge of honor. And I would endlessly argue about the JFK assassination having been a lone gunman acting on behalf of no one.
Now at age 53, I think I've changed my mind. Howard Hunt's "deathbed" confession is pretty compelling. I don't know why he would lie about it. And it's becoming clear that Oswald had some contact with the CIA.
A handful of CIA men did it, and Johnson may have been in on it.
Seriously fuck Trump. I figured the ONE good thing he would do was finally release ALL the JFK CIA files. But nope. He held back and handful of them, and Biden has followed suit.
So, maybe Jackie was thinking since he hated RFK too, Johnson had a hand in that one as well.
| by Anonymous | reply 35 | January 29, 2024 1:14 AM |
What would you expect, a FLOTUS on FLOTUS make out session?
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | January 29, 2024 1:17 AM |
24 replies before it's another Trump thread. That's well off the average mark of 9. Go get some rest and come out fighting tomorrow.
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | January 29, 2024 1:54 AM |
Ladybird wanted to scissor.
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | January 29, 2024 2:06 AM |
Jackie always looked down on the Johnson. She privately called them (even in official interviews after her husband died) "Colonel Cornpone and his little porkchop," and was very snobby about them behind their backs. What was sad about it was that the Johnsons went out of their way to be nice and respectful to her and her children, especially after the assassination. They let her take all the time she wanted to move out of the White House residence after the assassination, and repeatedly and specifically invited her to come back whenever she wanted. They even kept the ridiculously self-important plaque she put up on the presidential bedroom door when she moved out that said, ""In this room lived John Fitzgerald Kennedy with his wife, Jacqueline during the 2 years, 10 months and 2 days he was President of the United States.” The Nixons, of course, took that down the month they moved in to the residence in 1969.
Jackie Kennedy had many good qualities, but she was also very catty and very snobbish. (Of course many Dataloungers find those qualities her best ones.)
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | January 29, 2024 2:17 AM |
No other FLOTUS could compare to Jackie.
Even if the historic, monumental event of the assassination of JFK had not happened, she'd be in a class by herself, just through sheer personality and style alone.
In addition to what r39 points out about the good and bad of Jackie, she was a social and financial bully, too. She put William Manchester, JFK's authorized by Jackie, then, no-longer authorized, biographer through hell.
The poor guy. I read all about it in a Vanity Fair article. It's hard not to come away from reading that and not dislike Jackie and feel sympathy for WM, who just didn't have the means and social clout to take her on.
Basically, she hired him to write a book about JFK. He put in work and expense. Then she balked.
Iirc, he may have gotten some kind of small damages from her but the whole thing broke him professionally and personally.
| by Anonymous | reply 41 | January 29, 2024 3:54 AM |
Maybe she found out LBJ was part of the conspiracy to kill her husband?
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | January 29, 2024 4:15 AM |
I will only touch your hand if you're a billionaire.
| by Anonymous | reply 43 | January 29, 2024 10:22 AM |
I read the same VF article, r41 and felt the same. It was pretty despicable what she did to Manchester.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | January 29, 2024 11:07 AM |
R44, Especially since the passages she legally fought to have omitted were leaked to the public anyway.
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | January 29, 2024 11:12 AM |
Jackie ostracized anyone who knew JFK and who wrote a book after his death.
She was livid at longtime JFK friend Red Fay for writing that JFK liked to swear in private and she never spoke to Ben Bradlee again after he recounted some private conversations with JFK in his book.
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | January 29, 2024 11:16 AM |
Lady Bird plays dumb so beautifully and gentilly. She had that swearing in judge on speed-dial. He was already automatically President, he didn’t have to be sworn in within 2 hrs of JFK being shot.
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | January 29, 2024 11:40 AM |
Unless she goes on to analyze the agony Jackie must have been enduring, Lady Bird can GFH.
Judging the behavior of the bereaved at funerals? Is this a thing? Not to mention at five years post assassination, Jackie MIGHT have just been coming to terms with her grief and shock over the unimaginably horrific death of her husband and is once again confronting and grieving yet another violent death. And Lady Bird can only comment how she herself is treated and made to feel? Yikes.
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | January 29, 2024 12:01 PM |
I imagine it was because plenty people at the time, and since, highly suspected that her husband LBJ was involved in the assassination. It was no secret that JFK and LBJ hated each other's guys.
| by Anonymous | reply 49 | January 29, 2024 12:03 PM |
Jackie murdered Marilyn.
Murderous cunt deserves everything she got.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | January 29, 2024 12:04 PM |
[quote] It was no secret that JFK and LBJ hated each other's guys.
I assume you meant to type "guts." In truth, the principals liked each other. Of course, LBJ & Bobby hated each other. And many Kennedy hands didn't treat LBJ well, either.
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | January 29, 2024 1:04 PM |
[quote]How many times do you think she wondered if her children were next?
She stated this as a reason she married Onassis. There were few people with the resources to keep her children safe if some high-up US conspiracy really were after them, and after JFK, MLK and RFK in quick succession you could hardly call her paranoid.
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | January 29, 2024 1:38 PM |
Because Jackie knew that Ladybird’s husband had her husband rubbed out.
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | January 29, 2024 1:40 PM |
[quote]And Lady Bird can only comment how she herself is treated and made to feel? Yikes.
Calm down! She wrote something in her diary and kept it private for 49 years, until she was dead.
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | January 29, 2024 1:41 PM |
Lady Bird was a cunt, plain and simple. Classic Texas “lady”, smiling and as sweet as can be but uttter gutter cunt the minute your back is turned. It’s “bless your heart” and “lovely” to your face and “I’ll ruin you” behind your back. And this is the perfect example.
She was such a cunt, they got Patti Lupone to play her in the movie. THAT’S how much of a cunt she was.
Anything from Texas is rancid.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | January 29, 2024 2:33 PM |
Jacqueline was never known to be gracious.
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | January 29, 2024 2:35 PM |
Lady Bird immediately regretted her first words to Jackie when they came face to face at Parkland Hospital.
“I deeply regret that this happened in my beloved state of Texas”.
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | January 29, 2024 2:43 PM |
Jackie boarding Air Force One behind JFK’s coffin.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 60 | January 29, 2024 2:46 PM |
Lady Bird said she asked Jackie if she wanted to change out of her blood stained suit and Jackie said "No, I want people to see what they did to Jack!"
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | January 29, 2024 2:51 PM |
R8, thank you for sharing this video.
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | January 29, 2024 3:01 PM |
Lady Bird said she asked Jackie if she wanted to change out of her blood stained suit and Jackie said "No, Gary talked me out of it."
I know because at the time, Gary was married to my friend Julie.
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | January 29, 2024 3:11 PM |
They were both cunts. The more that is discovered about Jackie the less I like her.
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | January 29, 2024 3:41 PM |
The more I learn about Jackie the more I get an impression of a really flawed, but really interesting, multi-dimensional person (which is not to say especially likeable.) She seems coolly elegant in public but she was kind of a functioning hot mess. One thing I think it's easy to underestimate is the head fuck that was sitting next to Kennedy when his brains were blown out. My overall impression is of someone who made a commitment to not giving a fuck what anybody else thought. She was interesting, if not really likeable.
| by Anonymous | reply 66 | January 29, 2024 5:11 PM |
Her parents did damage to her psyche too…
| by Anonymous | reply 67 | January 29, 2024 5:12 PM |
She's related to Marge Simpson.
| by Anonymous | reply 68 | January 29, 2024 5:19 PM |
Jackie looked intersexed in some of her photos.
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | January 29, 2024 5:45 PM |
FUN FACT
Jackie lost her virginity in a Paris elevator.
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | January 29, 2024 6:05 PM |
It gives a new meaning to going down, r70!
| by Anonymous | reply 71 | January 29, 2024 7:05 PM |
Lady Bird was one of the best First Ladies of the 20th century. Her campaign to beautify America was very successful, and we can thank her for the long period of time when many billboards were removed from the landscape. Now they're ubiquitous in some places, although nowhere near the volume of the 1950s and 1960s.
| by Anonymous | reply 74 | January 30, 2024 12:16 AM |
Don't forget: she had Eartha Kitt taken out back and mercilessly beaten after the latter criticized the Johnsons' stance on the Viet Nam War at a White House luncheon.
You just didn't fuck with Lady Bird.
| by Anonymous | reply 75 | January 30, 2024 12:27 AM |
Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Washington. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she planted wild flowers.
| by Anonymous | reply 76 | January 30, 2024 3:00 AM |
Lady Bird was well educated, especially for the time:
After graduating from St. Mary's in May 1930, Lady Bird toyed with returning to Alabama. Another friend from Marshall was going to the University of Texas, so she chartered a plane to Austin to join her. As the plane landed, she was awed by the sight of a field covered with bluebonnets and instantly fell in love with the city.[21] Lady Bird received a Bachelor of Arts degree in history[22] with honors in 1933[23] and a second bachelor's degree in journalism cum laude in 1934.[24] She was active on campus in different organizations, including Texas Orange Jackets, a women's honorary service organization, and believed in student leadership. Her goal was to become a reporter, but she also earned a teaching certificate.[4]
| by Anonymous | reply 77 | January 30, 2024 5:18 AM |
I prefer Lady Bird >>> Jackie O. I know that puts me in the minority. Lady Bird was a very classy, kind, unpretentious lady.
| by Anonymous | reply 78 | January 30, 2024 5:21 AM |
Jackie O looks positively simian in certain photos.
| by Anonymous | reply 79 | January 30, 2024 5:27 AM |
From what I have read, it sounds like Jackie did that to a lot of people-someone (usually someone she knew) would say hello to her, and she would look right through them. Usually she was pissed at the person, but she used to do this to coworkers at Doubleday, too.
Anthony Quinn had known Jackie for years, but he pissed her off by playing a thinly veiled Aristotle Onassis in The Greek Tycoon. After the movie was released, he saw her walking toward him in New York. He put his arms out to say hello….and she breezed right by him without acknowledging his presence. She did the same thing to Ben Bradlee.
She never seemed angry at the right person. Peter Lawford and Frank Sinatra procured stars and whores (including Judith Campbell and Marilyn Monroe), and yet she was personally fond of both. Red Fay wrote that JFK said the f word and he was frozen out.
| by Anonymous | reply 80 | January 30, 2024 5:47 AM |
Jackie was fucking awesome
| by Anonymous | reply 82 | January 30, 2024 7:21 AM |
R80 has blatantly plagiarized from R46.
| by Anonymous | reply 83 | January 30, 2024 9:20 AM |
Lady Bird's real name was Claudia!
| by Anonymous | reply 84 | January 30, 2024 9:57 AM |
R80 "Red Fay wrote that JFK said the f word and he was frozen out."
JFK was frozen out by whom?
| by Anonymous | reply 85 | January 30, 2024 10:39 AM |
You come across as stupid in your post, R69.
| by Anonymous | reply 86 | January 30, 2024 10:45 AM |
Such prose-y writing for a diary.
| by Anonymous | reply 87 | January 30, 2024 10:47 AM |
[quote] and she would look right through them.
Why with those far apart fish eyes of hers, she probably couldn't even see in front of her!
| by Anonymous | reply 88 | January 30, 2024 10:54 AM |
R87, it wasn’t written, it was recorded verbally.
| by Anonymous | reply 89 | January 30, 2024 11:25 AM |
Maybe the air conditioning was broken inside the church and she forgot to bring a sweater with her Dorothy?
| by Anonymous | reply 90 | January 30, 2024 11:29 AM |
However, r59 did write an excellent parody of Lady Macbeth's "What---in our house?"
I thought it might be a line from "Macbird," so I quickly skimmed through her parts, but no.
| by Anonymous | reply 92 | January 30, 2024 12:27 PM |
What R91 posted is merely an edited portion from Lady Bird’s diary from November 22, 1963.
She did, need, say to Jackie what R59 posted.
A lifelong Texan, Lady Bird was concerned how Texas would be perceived in the future.
“The new first lady was also keenly aware that Americans wouldn't care that Dallas was "more extreme, less tolerant" than their home in Hill Country — they would blame Texas as a whole. She also knew that her husband's critics were angry because, in their mind, "a Texan long derided as culturally inferior and suspected as brazenly hungry for power would become commander in chief."“
| by Anonymous | reply 93 | January 30, 2024 12:51 PM |
I fucking love LBJ, too, by the way. He was a true liberal and an absolutely brilliant politician who wore the coolest Stetson ever. Love that he grew his hair out after retiring.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 95 | January 30, 2024 1:52 PM |
LBJ as a long-haired hippie.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 96 | January 30, 2024 1:54 PM |
R86 has really bad breath.
| by Anonymous | reply 97 | January 30, 2024 2:36 PM |
Fair enough, r93. I guess then Lady Bird unwittingly echoed Lady Macbeth.
R85, I think r80 meant that Red Fay was frozen out by JFK for writing what he, Red, did.
| by Anonymous | reply 98 | January 30, 2024 6:01 PM |
[quote] Lady Bird's real name was Claudia!
That's always so weird to me. Also, Pat Nixon's real first name was Thelma.
| by Anonymous | reply 99 | January 30, 2024 6:09 PM |
R98, Red Fay’s book was published in 1966, three years after JFK’s assassination.
It was Jackie who was displeased with his book and froze him out.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 100 | January 30, 2024 6:44 PM |
R99, Mamie Eisenhower’s real first name was Mary.
| by Anonymous | reply 101 | January 30, 2024 6:46 PM |
Betty Ford's real name was Par-TAY!
| by Anonymous | reply 102 | January 30, 2024 6:52 PM |
Ben Bradlee’s book really annoyed Jackie, for he wrote about how he and his then wife were frequently invited to the White House to socialize with JFK and Jackie and she considered that a betrayal.
After his book was published, Bradlee and new wife Sally Quinn found themselves staying in the next bungalow to Jackie and her kids at an island resort. Eventually, they crossed paths, but when Bradlee tried to approach her, Jackie just ignored him. After that, Sally Quinn would regularly attack Jackie in her Washington Post column.
| by Anonymous | reply 103 | January 30, 2024 7:00 PM |
Hippy LBJ at R96 is 64 and looks like Big Edie at 80. Rough.
"Johnson recorded an hour-long television interview with newsman Walter Cronkite at his ranch on January 12, 1973, in which he discussed his legacy, particularly about the civil rights movement. He was still smoking heavily, and told Cronkite that it was better for his heart to smoke than to be nervous. Ten days later, at approximately 3:39 p.m. Central Time on January 22, 1973, Johnson suffered his final heart attack in his bedroom."
| by Anonymous | reply 104 | January 30, 2024 7:02 PM |
Jackie hated Sally Quinn, she said she symbolized everything wrong with Washington.
Jackie’s pedo brother Jamie claims she stopped speaking to him in the 70s because he allowed Kitty Kelley to interview him for her Jackie book -he’s the one who told the story about how the pink suit was put in a box and given to the National Archives.
| by Anonymous | reply 105 | January 30, 2024 7:14 PM |
I guess that no one remembers that in 1967, Lady Bird was parodied as "Lady Macbird" in the satiric "Macbird" that somehow got produced only 3 years after the Kennedy assassination and ran at the Village Gate for 386 performances.
Hold on: Lady MacBird was played by no other than DL favorite Rue Mclanahan! The rest of the cast was filled out by several actors whose names frequently appear on DL.
The play single-handedly invented the concept of "too soon?"
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 106 | January 30, 2024 7:16 PM |
Ironic how Sally Quinn and Ben Bradlee ended up being the owners of Grey Gardens for many years.
| by Anonymous | reply 107 | January 30, 2024 7:19 PM |
Jackie tried to stop Little Edie from selling Grey Gardens to Ben Bradlee and Sally Quinn. But Little Edie liked them and sold it to them. Jackie had sending Edie a check every month for expenses, and as punishment for selling Grey Gardens to the Bradlees, Jackie cut the amount she sent Edie in half.
| by Anonymous | reply 108 | January 30, 2024 7:39 PM |
Lenny Bruce's "Hauling Ass to Save Her Ass" routine was even sooner than Barbara Garson. "It was soon after the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and Mr. Bruce mocked a magazine photograph said to show Jackie Kennedy trying heroically to aid her husband, saying she was really trying to flee."
| by Anonymous | reply 109 | January 30, 2024 8:17 PM |
Jackie was so self absorbed.
| by Anonymous | reply 110 | January 30, 2024 8:22 PM |
I wonder if Little Edie ever performed for the guests at one of Jackie's swanky dinner parties at her Fifth Avenue apartment.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 111 | January 30, 2024 8:28 PM |
[quote] Jackie had sending Edie a check every month for expenses, and as punishment for selling Grey Gardens to the Bradlees, Jackie cut the amount she sent Edie in half.
What a spiteful piece of work she was.
| by Anonymous | reply 112 | January 30, 2024 9:33 PM |
When she did that, Jackie was taking food out of cats' mouths.
| by Anonymous | reply 113 | January 30, 2024 9:36 PM |
This documentary that Lee Radziwill participated in was made before “Grey Gardens” and is quite good.
Lee was fucking smoking hot Peter Beard at that time, who appears in the documentary.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 114 | January 30, 2024 9:38 PM |
R100, I don't really care. I was merely trying to untangle the grammar of r80, so go tell him.
| by Anonymous | reply 115 | January 30, 2024 9:55 PM |
[quote] She looses Jack, she loses his brother (who was also her lover) in such a short amount of time.
You think Bobby Kennedy was Jackie's only lover during and after JFK?
| by Anonymous | reply 116 | January 30, 2024 9:59 PM |
R106, SEE R192, DUH!!
And it was the original "MACBETH" that "singlehandedly invented the concept of 'too soon?'."
Lines 87--89.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 117 | January 30, 2024 10:06 PM |
OMG-I posted r80 after consuming an edible and trying to type on an IPhone with middle aged eyes.
And I proofread that shit and I still posted that mangled word salad.
Sorry!
| by Anonymous | reply 119 | January 30, 2024 10:11 PM |
[quote] You think Bobby Kennedy was Jackie's only lover during and after JFK?
Don't many people think she had a fling with Onassis aboard his yacht back in the summer of 1963, before JFK was shot?
| by Anonymous | reply 120 | January 30, 2024 10:27 PM |
R106 thanks for sharing that info. MacBird! sounds wonderful. So subversive, I love it. That has to have been the hippest play in NYC.
| by Anonymous | reply 121 | January 31, 2024 1:25 AM |
Jackie Kennedy was a First Lady unlike we’d ever seen or likely will ever see again. She had the IT factor. She was said to be more beautiful in person, and mesmerizing. She freaking dazzled the Russian dictator.
Lady Bird is one of one best FLs hands down. Whip smart.
Can you imagine if we’d had 8 years of Kennedy followed by 8 years of LBJ? Both were phenomenal presidents. It is astonishing what they accomplished. It is why both are considered one of the best ever. LBJ just had to fuck it up with Vietnam. That shit was pushed by conservatives who knew even back then how to paint you as evil if you didn’t believe certain things they did like Commies were everywhere so let’s meddle in every country’s biz.
I do not think LBJ had anything to do with JFK’s assassination, but the CIA? *side eye*
| by Anonymous | reply 122 | January 31, 2024 1:46 AM |
She was not beautiful. Chic and glamorous, yes, but not a beauty. And she had man hands and feet.
| by Anonymous | reply 123 | January 31, 2024 1:49 AM |
She heard Jack refer to her as Anal Bird.
| by Anonymous | reply 125 | January 31, 2024 2:19 AM |
R122, LBJ didn’t have 8 years in him after an 8-year JFK/LBJ administration.
| by Anonymous | reply 126 | January 31, 2024 3:31 AM |
R126 Not true. Vietnam aged him. Without that, who knows. At least 4 years.
| by Anonymous | reply 127 | January 31, 2024 3:38 AM |
Nah, R127. He chose not to run in ‘68 in part because none of the Johnson men ever lived beyond 64, the age he would be in ‘72. And he did have the massive heart attack in the mid-‘50s.
| by Anonymous | reply 128 | January 31, 2024 3:42 AM |
R128 He was a broken man in ‘68.
| by Anonymous | reply 129 | January 31, 2024 3:47 AM |
3 packs a day and Vietnam aged him.
| by Anonymous | reply 130 | January 31, 2024 3:47 AM |
R128, Lady Bird was convinced that LBJ was going to have another heart attack and die in office.
That’s why she kept a black dress in her dressing room closet in the White House.
| by Anonymous | reply 131 | January 31, 2024 3:48 AM |
Lady Bird was a brilliant girl who graduated at the top of her high school class at age 16 and went on to college, in an era when very few Americans went to college at all. Her quiet intellect and unassuming elegance made her so far superior to that phony, chain-smoking hussy Jackie that there's no comparison, really. The only FLOTUS we've had since to match Lady Bird was Rosalyn Carter, also a southerner--perhaps no coincidence?
| by Anonymous | reply 132 | January 31, 2024 3:58 AM |
Jackie O was a well known bitch. She even insulted the queen.
| by Anonymous | reply 135 | January 31, 2024 4:02 AM |
I think Lady Bird was an admirable FL but her remarks about Jackie at the RFK funeral seemed unfeeling and out of character. For one thing, Jackie was probably exhausted. Stas and Lee called her from London in the middle of the night when he was shot and she flew to LA the next day. Then back with the body and the family, really it was like Dallas all over again. Then the funeral at St. Patrick’s.
| by Anonymous | reply 137 | January 31, 2024 4:04 AM |
Oh, poor Jackie. Boo hoo. The poor thing!
| by Anonymous | reply 138 | January 31, 2024 4:06 AM |
When Jackie was first lady she was as famous as Princess Diana.
| by Anonymous | reply 139 | January 31, 2024 4:38 AM |
Jackie used to be adored here, but this thread is cunting all over her.
| by Anonymous | reply 140 | January 31, 2024 5:15 AM |
Jackie and Lady Bird were actual friends for many years after they left the White House. Lady Bird was one of the few politicos Jackie invited to her Red Gate Farm. The LBJ library has many personal letters Jackie sent Bird over the decades.
| by Anonymous | reply 141 | January 31, 2024 5:19 AM |
[quote] Jackie used to be adored here, but this thread is cunting all over her.
That's because so many of those who were her fans here, who were Boomers or members of the Silent Generation, have since died off.
When she was First Lady the media was so dazzled by her,, and treated her like a goddess since she was so much more elegant than all the First Ladies most people could remember back then (Mamie, Bess Truman, Eleanor Roosevelt). And then for five years she was America's Great Widow, and equally revered by the media. So people's image of her then was very colored by the glamor the media gave to her. People didn't know generally then the more sordid aspects of her life: that JFK cheated on her, or that Joe Kennedy bought her off in the 50s by giving her a million dollars so she wouldn't divorce JFK, or that she could be so catty about other elected officials' wives. They just saw her as an elegant young woman who dressed well and spoke French and Spanish and had exquisite taste.
After she married Onassis, things really changed for Jackie in terms of how the media portrayed her. So if you belonged to generation X you did not grow up with that mystique around her--she was best known throughout the Seventies for the gossip around her marriage to (and then separation from) Onassis. And now we know other less flattering things about her: her shopping addiction, her controlling behavior regarding her son, her even more controlling behavior regarding her first husband's legacy.
So I think Xers and Millennials see her very differently than Boomers do. She doesn't possess the glamor for later generations in the same way she did for their elders.
| by Anonymous | reply 142 | January 31, 2024 5:41 AM |
What were her major accomplishments as FLOTUS?
| by Anonymous | reply 143 | January 31, 2024 6:54 AM |
R143 She was obsessed with money and standing; that was it. She was an incredibly shallow woman.
| by Anonymous | reply 144 | January 31, 2024 8:08 AM |
I could never get past her creepy Stepford wife Valium voice.
| by Anonymous | reply 145 | January 31, 2024 8:33 AM |
Lady Bird had great gams. I wonder how often she rode Johnson's huge Johnson, and liked it.
| by Anonymous | reply 146 | January 31, 2024 8:39 AM |
Wasn’t that more of a public voice, R144?
| by Anonymous | reply 147 | January 31, 2024 9:02 AM |
Historical restoration of the White House
| by Anonymous | reply 148 | January 31, 2024 9:03 AM |
Even Mel "restored" the White House. The Red Room is actually red again, not pink. The Blue Room got exquisitely restored Bellangé furniture. Some reception rooms got quite good new carpets. The Tennis Pavilion (which aint bad) and the controversial Rose Garden revamp (something had to be done). And yes, I think Mel is a nasty whore. But then the Bouvier sisters were Society whores pimped by mommy Janet and brainwashed to think of nothing but $$$$$$$ and social standing.
| by Anonymous | reply 149 | January 31, 2024 9:12 AM |
On DL there was the story of the author whose book had been edited by Jackie. Obviously it was an extremely pleasant experience. A friend of the author said he.was going to be at an event where Jackie was going to be. The author said please go to her and give her my regards. He did just that and Jackie said 'I'm so glad you did.' And then immediately turned and walked away.
| by Anonymous | reply 150 | January 31, 2024 9:39 AM |
Where did I hear that before, R141?
| by Anonymous | reply 151 | January 31, 2024 10:09 AM |
The only cunting is from DL conservative/magats who seethe that Jackie wasn’t a Democratic FLOTUS. I’m serious.
Democrats have all the good presidents/FLOTUSs.
| by Anonymous | reply 152 | January 31, 2024 12:06 PM |
R143 In addition to holding America together by her exemplary conduct after her husband was murdered in her arms:
1. Historical restoration of White House
2. Began the preservation and restoration of historic buildings (Grand Centra Station)
3. Got funding to save the Temple of Abu Simbel in return obtained a complete Egyptian Temple for the Metropolitan Museum.
4. Burnished the reputation of USA abroad where they were viewed as illiterate bumpkins ie R144
| by Anonymous | reply 154 | January 31, 2024 3:22 PM |
She knew how to throw one hell of a funeral.
| by Anonymous | reply 155 | January 31, 2024 3:23 PM |
Disagree r152. I’m a Democrat and as I’ve said before, the more I find out about Jackie, the less I like her. IMO she was a gold digger and a controlling snob.
| by Anonymous | reply 156 | January 31, 2024 3:27 PM |
R154, And she gave us this . . .
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 157 | January 31, 2024 3:31 PM |
Many who knew Jacqueline well described her as a "consummate actress".
| by Anonymous | reply 158 | January 31, 2024 5:20 PM |
She was the "consummate Geisha."
| by Anonymous | reply 159 | January 31, 2024 5:22 PM |
Looking at R157’s pic reinforces my impression that John, Jr., was not, as listed, 6’1”. Anyone with firsthand observation who can address this?
| by Anonymous | reply 160 | January 31, 2024 5:31 PM |
The important question is: did she give good head?
| by Anonymous | reply 161 | January 31, 2024 5:34 PM |
She was friendly to Andy Warhol until he brought Bob Colacello, his editor at Interview, to her holiday party as his plus one.
She pretended it was nice to see Bob and went out of her way to be nice to him at the party.
Then she called Andy the next day and yelled at him for bringing a gossip columnist into her home.
| by Anonymous | reply 162 | January 31, 2024 6:01 PM |
I'm 6'2" and JFK Jr was shorter than me and I'd say 6 foot even plus or minus the hair. Minus the hair he might not even have been 6 foot. He was very fit and he photographed larger in bulk and height. He was svelte in person and also of course blindingly attractive.
| by Anonymous | reply 163 | January 31, 2024 6:14 PM |
When local news fashion writer retired, in her final column she mentioned a reader who was transfixed with the outfit Jackie wore in Dallas. I imagined the reader obsessed with the Zapruder film, exclusively eyeing Jackie. “That man’s head has fallen on her dress!”
| by Anonymous | reply 164 | January 31, 2024 6:47 PM |
She would not allow John, Jr. to become an actor. She said that most actors were “fruits”. Did she say that word around fruit extraordinaire Nureyev?
| by Anonymous | reply 165 | January 31, 2024 6:56 PM |
R165, When sister Lee became engaged to Herbert Ross, Jackie asked friends “Isn’t he a homosexual?”.
| by Anonymous | reply 166 | January 31, 2024 7:19 PM |
Fruit is such a vile pejorative. I prefer FAG.
| by Anonymous | reply 167 | January 31, 2024 7:26 PM |
Were Lee’s feet as large as Jackie’s?
| by Anonymous | reply 169 | January 31, 2024 7:32 PM |
[quote] She said that most actors were “fruits”.
Not a surprise - or out of the ordinary - for someone who lived from 1929-1994 to refer to gays in offensive terms.
| by Anonymous | reply 170 | January 31, 2024 7:57 PM |
R169 Her feet were smaller but Lee's cunt was far bigger.
| by Anonymous | reply 172 | January 31, 2024 8:03 PM |
R160 Bill Clinton is (or at least was back then) 6'2. Photos of him and with John Junior show they look about the same height.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 173 | January 31, 2024 8:20 PM |
She sure was "peculiar" looking.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 175 | January 31, 2024 9:01 PM |
I rode in an elevator with JFK, Jr. a month before he died.
I’m 6’4” and he was not much shorter than me.
| by Anonymous | reply 176 | January 31, 2024 9:26 PM |
[quote] Bill Clinton is (or at least was back then) 6'2. Photos of him and with John Junior show they look about the same height.
The height difference is more pronounced in this photo.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 177 | January 31, 2024 9:35 PM |
Believing that he was in the 6'1 range is easy. With 6'2 Uncle Ted.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 178 | February 1, 2024 5:14 AM |
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