Why did Robert Downey Jr make it but Matthew Perry did not?

Both were semi-nepotism actors with horrid addictions, talent and industry goodwill. Both used the same drugs. Both were the same age.

by Anonymousreply 135March 22, 2024 11:59 PM

RDJ never slammed Keanu Reeves in a bio.

by Anonymousreply 1March 13, 2024 1:17 AM

God only knows. From someone who asks the same about myself.

by Anonymousreply 2March 13, 2024 1:20 AM

RDJ was a better actor. Also, he managed not to pass out and drown in a hot tub.

by Anonymousreply 3March 13, 2024 1:24 AM

RDJ actually went to jail and suffered public humiliation, not to mention career repercussions. Perry was never really punished for his drug use (other than, well, dying).

by Anonymousreply 4March 13, 2024 1:24 AM

I never got the idea that Matthew Perry actually cared about acting. RDJ seems devoted to it, in part because he was raised with it to an extent that Perry was not. Perry could deliver a punchline. RDJ could deliver a performance.

Perry was good-looking and clearly knew it. RDJ was beautiful and nobody knew it, least of all him.

Also - and I am not blaming either man for this - Perry's addiction issues seemed more scarring physically. RDJ never reached colectomy bag levels of dependence.

by Anonymousreply 5March 13, 2024 1:26 AM

Luck o' the draw, OP. Nothing more, nothing less.

by Anonymousreply 6March 13, 2024 1:27 AM

Matthew Perry desired fame more than achieving greatness in his craft. He had an empty void that he believed being popular and in the spotlight would fill, but it never did. He was basically always alone with no friend or family support system. For RDJ it was the opposite.

by Anonymousreply 9March 13, 2024 1:34 AM

r9 he had family who cared tho

by Anonymousreply 10March 13, 2024 1:41 AM

Via Google Translate, Liza Edition: He was blessed with good genes, like me!

by Anonymousreply 11March 13, 2024 1:41 AM

R9, I don't think RDJ had much family support. His father treated him as something disposable. His mother evidently had mental issues that were fairly severe.

by Anonymousreply 12March 13, 2024 1:43 AM

Mmmmm… one was more talented, not to mention versatile?

by Anonymousreply 13March 13, 2024 1:45 AM

The answer is, one is a good line learner the other a Great actor.

by Anonymousreply 14March 13, 2024 1:46 AM

Because he wanted to get clean and sober more- it’s all up to the individual.

by Anonymousreply 15March 13, 2024 1:48 AM

RDJ is extremely bright and seems to have a capacity for self-insight that Perry did not. That makes a world of difference in getting well. Also, I suspect Downey's intelligence makes him want to use his brain rather than fry it.

by Anonymousreply 16March 13, 2024 1:54 AM

Bitterness. Matthew had it in spades. That will kick you as quickly as drugs

by Anonymousreply 17March 13, 2024 1:57 AM

Not only is RDJ an excellent and versatile actor, but he knew the business from a young age and was serious about navigating and surviving it (to the extent of marrying a tough producer to compensate for what he knew were his weaknesses).

by Anonymousreply 18March 13, 2024 1:59 AM

RDJ married a woman who pretty much helped clean him up, stay sober, controlled his career and publicity. Perry didn't have anyone like that.

by Anonymousreply 19March 13, 2024 2:02 AM

There is a factor in terms of wealth. Perry had it financially made after Friends. RDJ was stone-cold broke coming out of jail. Perry's ass was in butter. RDJ had to hustle to live. Again, I don't blame either man for this. But RDJ was forced to think of his career in practical terms. Perry's career was already over.

It's a lot easier to give in to your personal demons if you don't need to worry about who or what is feeding them.

by Anonymousreply 20March 13, 2024 2:05 AM

So many people die from their addictions. It's like saying, why did this person die from cancer and that one didn't. It's different for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 21March 13, 2024 2:07 AM

Were they addicted to the same drugs?

by Anonymousreply 22March 13, 2024 2:13 AM

[quote] Perry's ass was in butter.

Is this something people say?

by Anonymousreply 23March 13, 2024 2:16 AM

Celebs are surrounded by enablers too. No one says no to the person signing their checks.

by Anonymousreply 24March 13, 2024 2:20 AM

Sometimes, R24, however, we shit in their beds.

by Anonymousreply 25March 13, 2024 3:03 AM

Robert Downey Jr was LIKABLE when he was young. He was very pretty and people felt protective of him. Yes he could be sarcastic and snarky but that was not all.

Matthew Perry was always just snark.

by Anonymousreply 26March 13, 2024 3:10 AM

BECAUSE PERRY WAS A PRICK AND IM GLAD HES DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!YA SEE THAT PERRY YA PRICK!

by Anonymousreply 27March 13, 2024 3:13 AM

Oh how can R-27 say that Matthew Perry was generous to a fault- several times outside the Hollywood Bowl he allowed me to blow him.

by Anonymousreply 28March 13, 2024 3:18 AM

RIP-PRICK!,did I mention RIP-PRICK!

by Anonymousreply 29March 13, 2024 3:24 AM

R28 At least learn to properly format your incomprehensible trolling.

by Anonymousreply 30March 13, 2024 3:26 AM

Because RDJ was in Iron Man, which started the entire modern Marvel money printing phenomenon.

by Anonymousreply 31March 13, 2024 3:28 AM

DL really overdoes the nepotism shit. Nepotism in Hollywood has been around since the silent era. Nepo babies! Give it a rest.

by Anonymousreply 32March 13, 2024 3:34 AM

CAN I BE ANYMORE FORMATTED?-Perry was a PRICK!

by Anonymousreply 33March 13, 2024 3:36 AM

How did Matthew Perry not “make it”?

by Anonymousreply 34March 13, 2024 3:39 AM

Could you see Matthew Perry in a Marvel movie? He was a one note actor who made it big young, cashed out and couldn’t figure out what to do with himself other than drugs. He wasn’t “beloved” either except for one tv role. Also, see all reasons listed above.

by Anonymousreply 35March 13, 2024 3:51 AM

Didn’t realize Marvel movies required acing depth.

Perry had great comic timing, he made a lot of people laugh on Friends. Downey was fired after one season on SNL.

Perry also got several Emmy noms for non-Friends roles.

Coparing these two makes no sense to me. Each has/had his own talents.

by Anonymousreply 36March 13, 2024 4:00 AM

it's apples / oranges, really.

by Anonymousreply 37March 13, 2024 4:10 AM

Matthew was great with people who mattered to him but many stories of how unkind he was to fans , servers, the story of two young girls who waved at him from their car so excited and the guy just flipped them off,whatever, Joan wouldn’t have done that ,I’m sorry I’m too heartbroken to continue.

by Anonymousreply 38March 13, 2024 4:11 AM

Matthew Perry’s book is wonderful just wonderful under a wobbly table or nightstand.

by Anonymousreply 39March 13, 2024 4:21 AM

[quote] How did Matthew Perry not “make it”?

Uh....he died.

by Anonymousreply 40March 13, 2024 4:23 AM

Remember when Matthew Perry was a fat-high-hot-mess on friends and producers expected us to simply overlook this?

by Anonymousreply 41March 13, 2024 4:26 AM

It’s like saying why did Tom Cruise make it and Rob Lowe didn’t. They both made it in different ways.

by Anonymousreply 42March 13, 2024 4:29 AM

Matthew Perry died?, so sorry to hear this, he was so good,so hansome I loved him on 90210

by Anonymousreply 43March 13, 2024 4:31 AM

Did Tom Cruise make it with Rob Lowe?

by Anonymousreply 44March 13, 2024 4:33 AM

i'm not trying to gloss over his addiction/drug use, but Perry was always "Chandler" whether he was skinny and strung out on opiates, fat, or regular. He inhabited that character. And, in life, things happen in your life (including addiction). He seemed to stay in character throughout all of that. That's acting.

Sometimes actors really can get just one character and do it really well in their career. Think of Jon Hamm in Mad Men (there are other examples, but i'm lazy and naming just this one).

by Anonymousreply 45March 13, 2024 4:34 AM

R42, sorry, which one of them died of a tragic addiction?

Perry did not make it.

Which is a shame.

by Anonymousreply 46March 13, 2024 4:51 AM

R36, Marvel films did not require depth. They got it anyway, chiefly because RDJ established an approach to the material that opened it up for other talented performers to make their own imprint on what could easily have otherwise been completely stock characters.

Perry was a gifted TV comic, but knocking RDJ for SNL is misguided. Joan Cusack got fired too, and she's a wonderful comic actress.

by Anonymousreply 47March 13, 2024 4:54 AM

Youre right R-45 you are lazy and if Jon Hamm is also lazy he can fall back on his big dick or let some of us fall back on his big dick, seems to me it’s only fair.

by Anonymousreply 48March 13, 2024 4:57 AM

What were Downey's drugs of choice?

by Anonymousreply 51March 13, 2024 5:08 AM

RDJ may well still expire early from drug damage.

by Anonymousreply 52March 13, 2024 5:24 AM

RDJ still looks like his face is suffering from wasting away. Maybe it's Manorexia though.

by Anonymousreply 53March 13, 2024 5:26 AM

R52, which is why I think he's been trying to make as much bank as possible while he can.

I wouldn't see him winking out in his next decade as unlikely.

Alas.

If it happens, I will miss him as I have missed few others. Prince, Carrie Fisher, Bowie.

by Anonymousreply 54March 13, 2024 5:28 AM

RDJ does have meth face and it's newish. I bet he still uses drugs.

by Anonymousreply 55March 13, 2024 5:31 AM

Perry may not have had the film success RDJ did, but he was well suited to “Friends” and he’ll never be forgotten because of that.

by Anonymousreply 56March 13, 2024 5:34 AM

Perry’s passive income probably made the difference in their trajectories. RDJ had to hustle for work for a few years after his jail stint. And Perry’s best days, his image, his fans are all stuck in that era 1994-2004. That must take a toll on the psyche.

by Anonymousreply 57March 13, 2024 5:40 AM

I enjoyed the odd movie "Fur" he was in during the hustle-times. It really showcased him as being a talented actor to me. I thought it was a bit of a leap for him.

That was so many years ago and I've never seen it again...so that is the impression it left on me. It made me willing/wanting to see him in other films.

by Anonymousreply 58March 13, 2024 5:46 AM

Because RDJ is much better looking?

by Anonymousreply 59March 13, 2024 6:24 AM

Seriously, if you already hate yourself, living with that kind of surgery result could tip you over the edge.

by Anonymousreply 60March 13, 2024 6:29 AM

R5, Accurate or not (I think it is), your pithy alliterative comparison ("punchline" vs "performance") earns a Gold Star from this retired English teacher who likes to write similarly. 👏💯

by Anonymousreply 61March 13, 2024 6:31 AM

[quote]RDJ does have meth face and it's newish. I bet he still uses drugs.

Didn’t he get the AIDS from being fuck raw up the ass in jail? I remember his interview when he came out - things too dark to mention.

by Anonymousreply 62March 13, 2024 7:00 AM

Robert doesn't have AIDS. He has two children with Susan and their son looks just like him. So obviously they're not adopted.

by Anonymousreply 64March 13, 2024 7:42 AM

Wow,the things you learn on DL,had no idea Matthew Perry was passing for white. So “Friends” was an integrated show after all! I might stay with this cutting edge-ucational platform and finally learn how to format and quote and use commas correctly and maybe just maybe learn the most important lesson of all-how to give and receive a good piss enema!

by Anonymousreply 65March 13, 2024 7:43 AM

R64 - poz people have children by fucking and have so for 2 decades.

R62 - poz people haven't had facial wasting from the drugs for 2 decades. That was a 90s thing.

You may now return to staring at the walls of your crypts.

by Anonymousreply 66March 13, 2024 8:03 AM

Some solid, still very watchable performances by RDJ that show his versatility:

Weird Science (1985), Less than Zero (1987), Soapdish (1991), Chaplin (1992), Richard III (1995), Wonder Boys (2000), Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (2005), Good Night and Good Luck (2005), Zodiac (2007), Iron Man (2008 etc.), Sherlock Holmes (2009 etc.).

That's just a few. He could carry a movie or slip into the background. Could Matthew Perry handle that range?

by Anonymousreply 67March 13, 2024 8:28 AM

[quote]Matthew Perry desired fame more than achieving greatness in his craft. He had an empty void that he believed being popular and in the spotlight would fill, but it never did.

The choice was mine and no one else's

I could have the millions at my feet

Give my life to people I might never meet

Or else to children of my own

Remember I was very young then

Thought I needed the numbers on my side

Thought the more that loved me

The more loved I'd be

But such things cannot be multiplied

Oh my daughter! Oh my son!

Understand what I have done....

by Anonymousreply 68March 13, 2024 8:42 AM

RDJ looks and acts sober imo. Also you can do drugs that aren’t illegal street drugs. RDJ was also very good in Short Cuts but he is playing himself. He was just very natural in front of the camera with charisma to spare. Never shitty in anything and seemed to always give everything 110%. Would Matthew Perry have made it without Friends or in a solo role carrying a tv show? I can’t really see it. See also—his male costars on Friends.

by Anonymousreply 71March 13, 2024 12:29 PM

Downey was bristling with sex and talent, had adventures with cocaine and jail and got great memorable projects, in which he has always been compelling. Perry, on TV, also did cocaine. Otherwise I see no comparison or similarities. Plus Downey's still alive and fuckable ( Perry's ignominious death and revealing stories about his life of dick like ways add to the reasons he was a loser) so truly the victory is his.

by Anonymousreply 72March 13, 2024 1:02 PM

Matthew Perry seemed very miserable for a lucky man.

by Anonymousreply 73March 13, 2024 1:06 PM

r64, Seriously? Labs have been sperm washing for at least 30 years. Even without it, HIV mother and fathers who are undetectable and on medication don't pass on HIV to children.

by Anonymousreply 74March 13, 2024 1:20 PM

Sperm washer is a DL dream job.

by Anonymousreply 75March 13, 2024 1:35 PM

Gonna wash that AIDS right outta his sperm

Gonna wash that AIDS right outta his sperm

Gonna wash that AIDS right outta his sperm

And send him on his way!

by Anonymousreply 76March 13, 2024 1:46 PM

Matthew won the gold medal so to speak and retired. RDJ still wanted to compete for the love of the game and continued on.

by Anonymousreply 77March 13, 2024 1:56 PM

with the amount of drugs they have taken, I wonder how much they actually remember...of anything...

by Anonymousreply 78March 13, 2024 3:11 PM

IMO, RDJ was not likeable. He came to a bar where I was working and was loud and rude. He was also surrounded by an all-male entourage of twinks.

His courtroom crying was fake, IMO.

I agree that his wife is the secret to his success. She's a regular woman, and she puts up with his shit. Keeps him on track.

RDJ is probably on medications.

I don't like Perry, either. Seemed like an ungrateful, lying (about his sobriety) asshole.

by Anonymousreply 79March 13, 2024 4:35 PM

Thanks for excerpts [R-68] clearly Matthew Perry was a great actor ,writer ,philosopher. The parallels and comparisons to Shakespeare are uncanny, what a loss for our world-TV comic-cutout-cutup dies leaving us to face World War 3 alone.

by Anonymousreply 80March 13, 2024 4:35 PM

No, r63, you Silly Billy!

I am the presumptuously self-designated....

by Anonymousreply 81March 13, 2024 4:43 PM

I don't accept the comparison. My best friend and I were raised in the same neighborhood, went to the same schools, were of similar financial backgrounds, experimented with the same drugs. I got cancer. She got murdered.

by Anonymousreply 82March 13, 2024 5:00 PM

R-82 so sorry to hear this ,hope you will be ok.

by Anonymousreply 83March 13, 2024 9:25 PM

R83: don’t put a hyphen after the R. It’s r82 not r-82.

by Anonymousreply 84March 13, 2024 10:24 PM

We talk a lot on DL about which celebs are nice and which one are cunts. I can't imagine what it would be like to be recognized everywhere I go. And one false move and something you said is trending on Tik Tok.

I'm not famous. I'm not rich. And I try to be nice to people. But if I am having a day, I will snark or sass people. I'm human. And so are celebrities. Even if some of them are huge cunts in real life, so what? Show people have to be a bit nuts anyway. Bottom line they are paid and are famous for playing a character in a film or on TV. If they do that, they have done their jobs. A cunt is going to cunt.

by Anonymousreply 85March 14, 2024 2:18 AM

Thanks for sticking up for me!

by Anonymousreply 86March 14, 2024 2:34 AM

RDJ looks like he’d smell better in bed and I wouldn’t have to worry about a colostomy bag, either!

by Anonymousreply 88March 14, 2024 8:38 PM

Downey’s wife gets some of the credit.

by Anonymousreply 89March 14, 2024 8:51 PM

RDJ has some talent and major charisma.

Mathew is (was) a one trick pony who got EXTREMELY lucky.

by Anonymousreply 90March 14, 2024 9:44 PM

oh please, I dont think he's fucking anything. He probably in poor health from years of drug use...doubt he can use dick pills.

by Anonymousreply 91March 14, 2024 10:33 PM

Matthew Perry did beat up Justin Trudeau when they were schoolmates, so there’s that.

by Anonymousreply 92March 17, 2024 12:21 AM

The real reason and I’m saying this as an ongoing recovery addict is circumstance. That’s what it all boils down to. RDJ was forced to get his act together by necessity. In many ways Matthew being on a hit television show enabled his addiction. Hear me out. Most addicts are functioning. A lot of people don’t know that. Most druggies aren’t strung out junkies on the street, etc. The show enabled him to get his act together for 6 months of the year, while still using, and then binging on off season. RDJ was the next “it boy” deemed to be the next Tom Cruise but the scheduling of a film star enabled him to overindulge. Ultimately he became uninsurable. He had to get his shit together. He was losing money, losing friends.

That’s why I know he doesn’t use anymore. All hardcore drug addicts cannot be functionally once they maintain sobriety for some time. They will over indulge and die as Matthew Perry did.

by Anonymousreply 93March 17, 2024 12:30 AM

[quote] RDJ actually went to jail and suffered public humiliation, not to mention career repercussions. Perry was never really punished for his drug use (other than, well, dying).

Perry suffered catastrophic, life-altering health impacts. RDJ was a lucky addict, Perry experienced what happens to most addicts.

by Anonymousreply 94March 17, 2024 12:36 AM

R23 I’ve heard it said before.

by Anonymousreply 95March 17, 2024 12:39 AM

We also have to look at timelines. RDJ got his act together circa 2005-2006. They were about age 40 around that time. You keep using them drugs past 40 and your body simply just cannot handle it. No one is Superman.

by Anonymousreply 96March 17, 2024 12:42 AM

Justin Trudeau reacts to Matthew Perry’s death: COULDN’T HAPPEN TO A NICER GUY!

by Anonymousreply 97March 17, 2024 1:12 AM

[quote] Uh....he died.

But Keanu Reeves still walks amongst us.

by Anonymousreply 98March 17, 2024 2:41 AM

You could also toss Charlie Sheen in with RDJ an and Matthew a Perry. Why did he let his movie career die after Wallstreet? He was very good on Ywo and a Half Men. Is he still taking drugs?

by Anonymousreply 99March 17, 2024 5:47 AM

Sheen keeps a low profile since coming out as HIV+. I couldn’t be any more thankful for that.

by Anonymousreply 100March 17, 2024 1:18 PM

I don’t miss Charlie but I do miss Emilio.

by Anonymousreply 101March 17, 2024 2:26 PM

Emilio was a decent actor.

Sheen's best moment was the five minutes he had in Ferris.

And he is an asshat to end all asshats.

by Anonymousreply 102March 17, 2024 2:42 PM

I guess as screwed up with drugs etc as Charlie has gotten - bald, missing teeth “tiger blood” - he is a pretty happy guy. Where Perry always seemed running from or running to something - Carlie seems to be a fairly contented F-up these years.

by Anonymousreply 103March 17, 2024 4:02 PM

Jack Nicholson tried to warn them both. RDJ listened. Matthew didn’t.

by Anonymousreply 105March 17, 2024 4:26 PM

RDJ is a brilliant actor, Perry was not.

by Anonymousreply 106March 17, 2024 4:49 PM

Many less than brilliant actors make it big.

by Anonymousreply 107March 17, 2024 4:51 PM

But why is being in the movies considered making it and making a million dollars per episode on a TV show considered flopping?

by Anonymousreply 108March 17, 2024 4:52 PM

Just checking -Matthew Perry is still dead right?

by Anonymousreply 109March 17, 2024 5:09 PM

^could he BE anymore dead at this point?

by Anonymousreply 110March 17, 2024 5:13 PM

You'll need to ask the actors themselves that, r108.

They're the ones who if on television often want to move to movies, and if in movies aren't usually looking to move to television.

[See: Eastwood, Clint; Travolta, John; DeCaprio, Leonardo; Depp, Johnny; Etc.]

by Anonymousreply 111March 17, 2024 5:16 PM

It all stems from the snobbery of old Hollywood and the studio machine. However the tide is and has changed. No millenial or younger actor today would consider a TV star of lesser standing. I mean one on a big hit show and highly paid. In fact with new lines being formed there is no such thing as a film vs tv star for Millenials, and Gen Z and even some younger Gen X.

by Anonymousreply 113March 17, 2024 5:21 PM

I guess it depends on if you think in 50 years people will still be watching Iron Man 3 and Avengers Endgame, or still be watching Friends.

Jane Russell was a big movie star in the ‘50s but today people are still watching I Love Lucy and Lucille Ball.

by Anonymousreply 114March 17, 2024 5:22 PM

All this RDJ ass-kissing! People are calling him “sexy”, too?!?

RDJ is an arrogant asshole. At least, Perry attempted to talk about his drug and alcohol struggles in order to help others with his book. RDJ shrugs off all questions about his past drug use and, yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s still using. At the recent award shows, he looks “jumpy”.

by Anonymousreply 115March 18, 2024 2:29 AM

RDJ was pretty frank about his addictions. I think he'd like to think he's moved past that.

I think he's sexy. What's that to you?

by Anonymousreply 116March 18, 2024 2:31 AM

I think RDJ is successful because Hollywood has sympathy with him. He looks like he has a small stump for a dick (mohel circumcision removed too much skin) and as a result Hollywood execs thought: "We can't punish him even more" and gave him a career.

by Anonymousreply 117March 18, 2024 2:43 AM

Actually, I'm Kiefer Sutherland.

by Anonymousreply 120March 18, 2024 3:36 AM

R121 Yes, he is dry down there because he was robbed of his mucosa. Sad.

by Anonymousreply 122March 18, 2024 3:51 AM

He’s probably less of a whiney bitch than Matthew Perry was. Probably smarter too.

by Anonymousreply 123March 18, 2024 3:59 AM

Jonathan Majors commits an ambiguous, open to interpretation minor physical assault against his ex-girlfirend. Hollywood cuts all ties with him.

RDJ is jailed multiple times for drug-related offenses (and carrying a pistol). As much as everyone praises his wife for supposedly turning his life around, his son Indio has also committed drug related offenses. Following RDJ's release from prison and the commercial success of "Iron Man", Hollywood bends over big-time for RDJ and kiss his ass,

White male privilege.

by Anonymousreply 124March 18, 2024 7:04 AM

Perry didn’t write that book to “help” others.

by Anonymousreply 125March 18, 2024 7:26 AM

In the nicest way possible, you're an idiot r124. Assaulting a woman half your size is obviously not the same thing as being a drug addict.

by Anonymousreply 126March 18, 2024 8:08 AM

Majors was convicted on misdemeanor charges for lifting his Gf and placing her in a car. His behavior was deemed reckless without intention by the jury.

by Anonymousreply 127March 18, 2024 1:08 PM

R127, Hollywood producers and juries, you will notice, are separate entities. OJ was acquitted, e.g.

I like RDJ because I find him funny in his self-deprecating snarky style. He keeps talk shows from being boring.

He understands the assignment (as the kids say): Entertain.

by Anonymousreply 128March 20, 2024 12:45 PM

I never got why, back when RDJ was getting in so much trouble, carrying a gun, doing time in LA County jail, he became a much bigger star shortly thereafter. Hollywood seemed to embrace him after that, and his career really took off.

by Anonymousreply 129March 20, 2024 2:06 PM

Maybe he's just a talented, co-operative, sweetheart of a guy!

by Anonymousreply 130March 20, 2024 2:15 PM

He did some time in the Hollywood penalty box.

by Anonymousreply 131March 22, 2024 3:58 PM

Matthew Perry was ugly, seemed like a dick and wasn’t very talented.

by Anonymousreply 132March 22, 2024 10:54 PM

R132 HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT!-Mathew Perry was a very talented ugly dick!

by Anonymousreply 133March 22, 2024 11:17 PM

Some addicts live to be old, cranky cunts, and others die at 40 from their addictions. There isn't a science to how addiction kills people.

by Anonymousreply 134March 22, 2024 11:25 PM

R134, what a generous spirit is yours.

by Anonymousreply 135March 22, 2024 11:59 PM

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