What's the Matter with Helen? (1971)

Two middle-aged women move to Hollywood, California after their sons are convicted of a notorious murder and open a dance school for children eager to tap their way to stardom.

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by Anonymousreply 115April 9, 2019 11:56 PM

I love this movie.

Debbie Reynolds give a strong performance as usual,

But Shelley Winters is over the fucking top - a real nutcase - and I don't think she's acting.

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by Anonymousreply 1March 29, 2019 8:12 PM

Debbie Reynolds said Shelley Winters (a Method devotee) got a little too into her character and creeped her out for real.

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by Anonymousreply 2March 29, 2019 8:12 PM

R1 Whoa what's with Debbie's Jean Harlow get up?

by Anonymousreply 3March 29, 2019 8:15 PM

This movie has Agnes Moorehead in one of her last roles

She's perfect as the Take-No-Shit Evangelist

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by Anonymousreply 4March 29, 2019 8:15 PM

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE unleashed a whole bunch of these copycats, such as WHOEVER SLEW AUNTIE ROO?

The fact that it should have been "WHO," not the clumsy WHOEVER is one indication of how sloppy they were.

by Anonymousreply 5March 29, 2019 8:18 PM

And this delightfully cloying production number with a faux Shirley Temple.

"Swallowing penises one by one...."

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by Anonymousreply 6March 29, 2019 8:19 PM

R5 Yeah I was thinking along those lines too. So many weird, convoluted plots in those 70's movies!

by Anonymousreply 7March 29, 2019 8:19 PM

[Quote]WHOEVER SLEW AUNTIE ROO?

That should be a team challenge on RuPaul's Drag Race!

by Anonymousreply 8March 29, 2019 8:21 PM

Debbie Reynolds tell some hilarious stories about how fucking CRAZY Shelley Winters was during the filming of this movie

Debbie agreed to drive to Shelley's house every morning to pick her up and to make sure she showed up on set on time.

One morning Debbie found traffic was backed up as she got near Shelley's house. As she got closer, she saw traffic was slowing for a woman in her nightgown who was standing in the road waving - it was Shelley. Debbie pulled up and opened the door for Shelley to get in her car. Shelley screamed, "Oh Debbie, thank God you came by - I overslept and I was afraid I'd be late. And NO ONE would stop to give me a ride!"

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by Anonymousreply 9March 29, 2019 8:22 PM

Wow those way-too-short dresses on little girls is creepy!

by Anonymousreply 10March 29, 2019 8:22 PM

I remember enjoying this when it came out.

by Anonymousreply 11March 29, 2019 8:25 PM

I would actually love to see Drag Race do a team challenge that's a homage to eldergay Hollywood, just to see if they could pull it off.

by Anonymousreply 12March 29, 2019 8:26 PM

R10 If they were any shorter, we'd be able to see what gender they really were!

by Anonymousreply 13March 29, 2019 8:26 PM

Nice shade at the end ...

"She is eccentric, highly gifted, unique, unusual, creative—and off-the-wall," said Reynolds from her Las Vegas home. "Working with Shelley is extraordinarily challenging. She is extremely difficult to work with. I found that not to be helpful for my work. She said I was better because she was difficult. I say it would have been easier or better for my health to have a little less turmoil on the set.

"In one scene, I had the prop man check the knife she held every time just before we shot it because I knew she was going to go for me for real! She'd gotten so into her character, she [italic]became[/italic] it. But I'm very fond of Shelley," she insists sweetly.

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by Anonymousreply 14March 29, 2019 8:27 PM

Shelley fought with the Director, Producers, Crew, etc, etc, etc on this movie... At one point, the producers considered replacing her with Geraldine Page, who was ready and willing to join the production.

But after reviewing the budget, the producers decided replacing Shelley would require too much re-shooting.

One day Shelley got into a shouting match with the Costume Supervisor on set - the screaming was so loud everyone of the set could hear it.

Shelley kept screaming that the Supervisor was intentionally giving her unflattering costumes and trying to "make her look fat"...

Eventually, Shelley walked out onto the set stark naked still screaming obscenities!

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by Anonymousreply 15March 29, 2019 8:31 PM

[quote]This movie has Agnes Moorehead in one of her last roles

Actually, Agnes had a number of roles between this movie and her death in 1974, including the starring role in another horror flick, "Dear Dead Delilah," in 1972. And she continued playing Endora until 1972.

by Anonymousreply 16March 29, 2019 8:35 PM

This is an enjoyable movie.

But I felt they could have shown more of the reality of how hard it is to train some young girls for Show Business and the Pageant World.

And some of those little tramps just don't have what it takes

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by Anonymousreply 17March 29, 2019 8:49 PM

The DVD of this also includes "Who Slew Auntie Roo?" where Shelley basically plays the "Hansel & Gretel" witch. The film co-stars Mark Lester from "Oliver!" and the little boy who played Tiny Tim in "Scrooge", and has a truly gruesome ending.

by Anonymousreply 18March 29, 2019 8:53 PM

R17 Debbie had great legs.

by Anonymousreply 19March 29, 2019 8:55 PM

At the Wrap Party for "What's the Matter With Helen", Debbie Reynolds made everyone laugh by telling stories about how bizarrely Shelley Winters had behaved during the shoot.

Everyone laughed, probably relieved it was over - except Shelley who genuinely seemed to have no memory of her breakdown.

Shelley denied her all of her insane behavior and kept saying, "Oh Debbie, you're making that up!"

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by Anonymousreply 20March 29, 2019 9:02 PM

Auntie Roo was TWISTED. I saw it when it was a CBS Late Movie in the '70s, and it scared the shit out of me.

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by Anonymousreply 21March 29, 2019 9:03 PM

One of m favorite movies about the downmarket side of Hollywood, "The Day of The Locust" by way of "Mulholland Dr." Between the Leopold & Loeb-style murderer sons and Winters's burst-steam-pipe repressed lesbianism, the dreaded specter of THE GAY just hangs over everything. Robbi Morgan -- later to be the first present-day victim in "Friday The 13th" -- doing the hilariously inappropriate Mae West number will have you falling out of your chair.

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by Anonymousreply 22March 29, 2019 9:05 PM

[quote]Shelley Winters was TWISTED. I saw her on the CBS Late Movie in the '70s, and she scared the shit out of me.

There I fixed it for you.

by Anonymousreply 23March 29, 2019 9:06 PM

[quote]Robbi Morgan...doing the hilariously inappropriate Mae West number will have you falling out of your chair.

I don't see anything inappropriate about this - except that little tramp could have done a helluva lot more rehearsing if were her Pageant Coach

Those little whores just want to flash their hoo-hahs at the Judges - they don't want to do the hard work it takes to be a WINNER.

by Anonymousreply 24March 29, 2019 9:11 PM

I think Debbie and Shelly were friends. Shelly appears in Debbie’s workout tape.

by Anonymousreply 25March 29, 2019 10:57 PM

This and Whoever Slew Auntie Roo are two of my favorite Grande Dame Guignol movies

by Anonymousreply 26March 30, 2019 3:57 AM

[quote]What's the Matter with Helen?

The question is, "What's the matter with that fat-fuck Shelley?"

She was the Chrissy Metz of her day.

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by Anonymousreply 27March 30, 2019 6:46 PM

Shelley Winters did admit to some of her bad behavior on this film.

She said her psychiatrist told her that it wasn't a good idea to be playing a woman having a breakdown while SHE was having a breakdown.

by Anonymousreply 28March 30, 2019 6:48 PM

Shelley had talent and was one of a kinda. Chrissy is a lucky 400 lb woman.

by Anonymousreply 29March 30, 2019 6:53 PM

I'm pretty sure Chrissy longs for the days when she was only 400 lbs.

by Anonymousreply 30March 30, 2019 6:56 PM

Shelley is barely in The Mad Room. I wonder if she written out for being difficult?

by Anonymousreply 31March 30, 2019 6:57 PM

Shelley was probably replaced on more than one movie.

But she did get the filming of that episode of "Here's Lucy", so she was tough enough to hold her own against that old cunt.

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by Anonymousreply 32March 30, 2019 7:01 PM

R32 Is Shelly's fabulous garment a poncho or kaftan?

by Anonymousreply 33March 30, 2019 7:03 PM

Kaftan, available from her QVC "Shelley's Kaftans for DL Gays" Collection

I always wear them when I'm on "The Tonight Show"!

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by Anonymousreply 34March 30, 2019 7:11 PM

I want to see this movie remade with an all Queens cast

"Whatza Madder wit Helen?"

by Anonymousreply 35March 30, 2019 7:34 PM

Debbie played a very good bitch.

by Anonymousreply 36March 30, 2019 9:10 PM

I managed to track this down once, it's not as good as it sounds. You won't believe it until you see it yourself, but it isn't that great, definitely nowhere near Baby Jane.

by Anonymousreply 37March 30, 2019 9:41 PM

The Agnes Moorhead one isn’t that great either.

by Anonymousreply 38March 30, 2019 9:59 PM

Which Agnes Moorehead one?

I really like "What's the Matter with Helen?" - Debbie is very good in this.

by Anonymousreply 39March 31, 2019 12:33 AM

As Carrie Fisher said

Hollywood didn't exactly lavish awards on Debbie Reynolds, but she was a remarkably good actress in everything I've seen her in

A much better actress than Elizabeth Taylor

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by Anonymousreply 41March 31, 2019 12:50 AM

I read Shelley's autobiography (volume 2 of 3.) She just never shuts up. No anecdote is too small. No wonder she was a favorite talk show guest. Some interesting stuff, but the book ends before this film. I did read Debbie's "Unsinkable" and pretty much everything she says there has been said here. But I recommend the book if only for the "truth is stranger than fiction" knockout ending regarding her Las Vegas hotel.

by Anonymousreply 43March 31, 2019 1:37 AM

"Unsinkable" is a good book.

And Debbie seems like a much more reliable witness than Shelley

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by Anonymousreply 44March 31, 2019 3:04 AM

Didn't Carol Lynley want to strangle Shelly on Poseidon because she was so difficult?

Shelley getting fat became a punchline in Hollywood that would never be allowed today. The Lucy episode is nothing but jokes made at her expense. She even got laughed at during the Oscars when her name was announced. Pauline Kael compared her to a whale.

by Anonymousreply 45March 31, 2019 3:12 AM

Fat was the least of Shelley's problems.

by Anonymousreply 46March 31, 2019 3:16 AM

"Shelley getting fat became a punchline in Hollywood that would never be allowed today."

Yeah no one ever mocks fat people anymore.....except in the 4000 or so threads here about Chrissy Metz (off-topic but why do people here care so much about her?)

by Anonymousreply 47March 31, 2019 4:48 AM

Shelley was the biggest ham in Hollywood history, wore than dear Bette, truth be told. If she hadn't been such an entertaining mess on talk shows, as well as so self-aggrandizing in her various memoirs, she'd be even less of a cinematic footnote than she currently is.

by Anonymousreply 48March 31, 2019 6:37 AM

Whatever else about Shelley, she was absolutely brilliant in Anne Frank, Night of the Hunter, and Lolita. Also loved her as Nana Mary on Roseanne.

by Anonymousreply 49March 31, 2019 11:52 AM

My friends and I use Shelley Winters as a scale of how upset we are.

"On a scale of 1 to 'Shelley Winters at the bus station in 'A Place in the Sun' screaming for George to come get her, where are you?"

by Anonymousreply 50March 31, 2019 2:19 PM

I remember on some talk show Shelley thought she was nominated for an Oscar for a movie and Robert Osbourne said she wasn’t.

On another she talked about a husband who thought Brando was a bad actor.

Oliver Reed was on Carson when Shelley came on he called her a cow and stormed off.

Annie Potts was talking to Johnny Shelley interrupted and told her she looked familiar and wondered if they have worked together. Annie was very angry and said yes. Shelley tried to play it off by saying once she couldn’t remember working with Paul Newman. Annie goes yeah right.

by Anonymousreply 51March 31, 2019 3:12 PM

Of all of the crazy lady movies that came out in the 1960s & early 70s, this is the only one I really liked

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by Anonymousreply 52March 31, 2019 3:20 PM

SPOILERSS BELOW !!

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I loved What Ever Happened To Aunt Alice ? But hate it when Ruth gets murdered ? Couldn’t they have killed the boring neighbors instead ?

by Anonymousreply 53March 31, 2019 3:34 PM

I love all the "aging diva" horror movies like Baby Jane, Lady in a Cage, Auntie Roo, etc.

by Anonymousreply 54March 31, 2019 4:07 PM

R51, Annie wasn't angry at all. When Shelley says "I know you or else I've seen you in some great movies." Annie is smiling and says "maybe it was the one we did together". After she said they did "King of the Gypsies" together, Shelley tries to get out of it by saying "of course and you were wonderful in it", to which Annie and the audience exploded in laughter.

by Anonymousreply 55March 31, 2019 4:26 PM

Debbie really commits to her role in this film and actually did impress me with her acting. It's a pretty cheesy film but worth watching at least once if you like the Baby Jane genre.

by Anonymousreply 56March 31, 2019 4:27 PM

[quote]My friends and I use Shelley Winters as a scale

That's not the scale Shelley was usually associated with

But that's a pretty funny and descriptive scale

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by Anonymousreply 57March 31, 2019 5:30 PM

[quote]Yeah no one ever mocks fat people anymore.....except in the 4000 or so threads here about Chrissy Metz

I'm talking about the media, Einstein. Were you in a cave when Howard Stern got all that backlash for making fun of Gabby Sidibe? Or Rex Reed for Melissa McCarthy?

by Anonymousreply 58March 31, 2019 5:49 PM

Bump

More Shelley and Debbie stories please.

by Anonymousreply 59April 1, 2019 1:49 AM

"I'm talking about the media, Einstein. Were you in a cave when Howard Stern got all that backlash for making fun of Gabby Sidibe? Or Rex Reed for Melissa McCarthy?"

Oh, puhlease, those guys still have careers, not much backlash at all. You sound really dumb, are you one of those posters who go on and on about Chrissy Metz? Who even watches This Is Us except fraus?

by Anonymousreply 60April 1, 2019 3:44 AM

Tavern on the Green Restaurant in Central Park, New York, where a tribute to director George Cukor had drawn most of the movie stars of the known world. Lauren Bacall, who is leaving, is asked to pose for a picture with Winters.

Shelley: “You bet … you can get a picture, boys. Betty, get over here. You need publicity. I see a lot of Humphrey Bogart festivals around, but I don’t see many Betty Bacalls.”

Lauren Bacall (aka Betty): “I’m sorry, Shelley, but I really don’t have the time. I’m leaving for Florida tomorrow to make a picture with Robert Altman.”

Shelley: “Hey, everybody. Betty got work! We should all celebrate.”

Lauren Bacall: “If it’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s a drunk woman. I’ll match you flop for flop, you (expletive deleted, and then more deleted).”

Bacall left as Winters waved her goodbye.

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by Anonymousreply 61April 1, 2019 4:10 AM

Unfortunately cut down into multiple parts, but here's Pt. 1 for Shelley/TV movie fans.

"Revenge" (1972), featuring the future Monica Quartermaine, Leslie Charleson, in a small role.

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by Anonymousreply 62April 1, 2019 2:05 PM

Is that the TV movie Shelley did where Tiffany Boiling was her daughter on trial for murder ? Tif is Ann Southern’s daughter.

by Anonymousreply 63April 1, 2019 8:55 PM

R63 No, that was A Death of Innocence, same year.

Here is the IMDb summary of "Revenge":

A deranged mother avenges herself against the man she thinks seduced her daughter by imprisoning him in a cage in her basement.

Co-stars Stuart Whitman & Bradford Dillman.

by Anonymousreply 64April 1, 2019 8:59 PM

That was wonderful R61 - no one in their right mind would take on the notorious bitch Lauren Bacall in that way.

But Shelley was fearless...or drunk...or both.

Either way, that story is priceless.

Everyone is Hollywood must have come to hate Shelley, because of that type of tone-deaf behavior.

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by Anonymousreply 65April 1, 2019 9:03 PM

R65 The very same year of "Bloody Mama", there was also "The Grissom Gang", directed by Robert Aldrich, where "Another World's" Aunt Liz (Irene Dailey) played a very violent variation of Ma Barker. Both are completely over the top!

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by Anonymousreply 66April 1, 2019 9:07 PM

Oh dear, r63. It's Tiffany Bolling and Ann Sothern. Also, Ann's daughter is Tisha Sterling.

by Anonymousreply 67April 1, 2019 9:37 PM

I suspected I was wrong and typed it anyway. In a hurry.

Shelley was a mess and maybe a drunk but not in the same category as Betty Bacall who was a first class ________.

by Anonymousreply 68April 1, 2019 9:42 PM

It was wonderful, R68 - share more.

And I don't know what you were thinking but I don't think it's a big secret that Betty Bacall could be a first class cunt. She didn't suffer fools or drunks like Shelley.

by Anonymousreply 69April 1, 2019 9:49 PM

R51 r55 That Shelley Winters/Annie Potts moment is here at 39:30. So funny!

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by Anonymousreply 70April 1, 2019 9:50 PM

I hope whoever designed "What's the Matter With Helen?" movie poster was fired for massively spoiling the ending.

by Anonymousreply 71April 1, 2019 10:06 PM

R70, LOVE Shelley in that clip!

by Anonymousreply 72April 1, 2019 10:47 PM

[quote] Hollywood didn't exactly lavish awards on Debbie Reynolds, but she was a remarkably good actress in everything I've seen her in

Her most convincing performance was, of course, as a heterosexual

by Anonymousreply 73April 1, 2019 10:56 PM

Oh yeah, R74, well Broadway doesn't go for booze and dope.

Now get outta my way.

I gotta a MAN waitin' on me.

by Anonymousreply 75April 2, 2019 2:39 AM

Shelley seems like your crazy old aunt in that clip.

She's funny and seems harmless enough.

But I wouldn't count on what she says.

by Anonymousreply 76April 2, 2019 2:41 AM

Oh my God. Memory plays tricks on you. Annie wasn’t angry at all. Thank you for the Carson clip.

by Anonymousreply 77April 2, 2019 3:37 AM

"Roseanne" truly became memorable any time that Shelley & Estelle Parsons were on screen as mother and daughter. I love when Nana Mary is passed out on Christmas and Roseanne and Jackie decide to decorate her in garland. Beverly stops them, and thinking they are in trouble for "assaulting" her mother, are surprised when Beverly reminds them that you put the garland on in the opposite direction.

I couldn't find the clip, but it's one of the best "Roseanne" moments ever.

by Anonymousreply 78April 2, 2019 1:54 PM

Actually Annie was very nice to Shelley. Being from the south she knows how to deal with crazy people.

by Anonymousreply 79April 2, 2019 5:05 PM

R79 Remember, on "Designing Women", they don't hide their crazy people. They put them out on the front porch & show em' off.

by Anonymousreply 80April 2, 2019 5:08 PM

She may have been fat and crazy, but Winters caught some Grade A dick in her prime.

If you have a Kanopy subscription through your local library you can see Curtis Harrington's early exploration of his homosexuality, "Fragment of Seeking" (46).

by Anonymousreply 81April 2, 2019 5:30 PM

Annie was grateful for that entire exchange because Carson reran it on his specials and she started getting very good parts as a result.

by Anonymousreply 82April 2, 2019 5:33 PM

R5, I do think at one point, in some country perhaps, it was “who slew.” The crazy reason I believe this is that I remember reading it in a movie magazine when I was about 11 years old, and I thought the rhyme was clever.

by Anonymousreply 83April 2, 2019 5:33 PM

Lucy O'Ball was going to take the Debbie Reynolds part but Gary Morton talked her out of it.

by Anonymousreply 84April 5, 2019 6:58 PM

R41 OMG I love that pic!! Debbie was gorgeous! And Carrie already looks like a handful.

by Anonymousreply 85April 5, 2019 7:34 PM

Carrie has the same, exact expression here as in R41, lol.

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by Anonymousreply 86April 5, 2019 11:02 PM

Can't decide if "psycho-biddy" or "hagsploitation" is my preferred term for this genre

by Anonymousreply 87April 5, 2019 11:41 PM

Charles Busch coined the term "Grand Dame Guignol" to describe these films

by Anonymousreply 88April 6, 2019 3:29 AM

"Hag Horror." There was a lot of it in the 60s.

by Anonymousreply 89April 6, 2019 4:14 AM

In a way that is what Jessica was doing on AHS.

by Anonymousreply 90April 6, 2019 10:18 PM

AHS has become the modern day Hag Horror series

by Anonymousreply 91April 7, 2019 1:25 AM

When is Ryan Murphy doing a remake of Dear Dead Delilah?

by Anonymousreply 92April 7, 2019 4:14 AM

I think Debbie would've gotten more attention in WtMwH if she had hagged herself out.

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by Anonymousreply 93April 7, 2019 4:38 AM

All these postings and no one has mentioned that there is a lesbian subplot in What's The Matter With Helen? Shelley Winters character of Helen has some strong feelings toward the Debbie Reynolds character. It's been discussed in books, and Shelley wanted to bring out the lesbian feelings more but back in the day they wouldn't allow it to be overt.

SPOILER ALERT - That's why at the end of the movie when the Debbie character announces that she is going to marry her new boyfriend, Helen goes berserk, gets a knife and stabs the Debbie character to death.

by Anonymousreply 94April 7, 2019 4:46 AM

Shelley stabs Debbie in a lover's rage.

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by Anonymousreply 95April 7, 2019 4:50 AM

All Shelley did at The Dance Studio was play piano. Debbie was the brains and talent and without her Shelley would be desolate when she moved away. There were hints of attraction but it would have been okay if she stayed at the studio or at least help her get a replacement.

by Anonymousreply 96April 7, 2019 4:56 AM

I think I’ll watch Night of the Hunter coming up live on WatchTCM.

by Anonymousreply 97April 7, 2019 5:26 AM

[quote]I read Shelley's autobiography (volume 2 of 3.)

I am pretty certain she did only two.

[quote]She even got laughed at during the Oscars when her name was announced.

That was James Caan and he explained that he wasn't laughing at Shelley but at Robert Duvall (in the audience) who was making faces at him.

by Anonymousreply 98April 7, 2019 8:14 AM

R98 I guess I just assumed she got around to writing the third volume. It's a pity, because she leaves off before this film and "The Poseidon Adventure."

by Anonymousreply 99April 7, 2019 8:55 AM

no r98 you got that backwards. Duvall was the one who cracked up because of Caan. .

There are just two volumes to her bio. I'm not sure if she described Poseidon in the second one. She did discuss who miserable Bette Davis was in The Night of the Iquana on Broadway (dramatized briefly in Feud). Winters replaced her and Davis warned her that Margaret Leighton was a scene stealer and would step on all Davis' punchlines and big moments.

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by Anonymousreply 100April 7, 2019 9:58 AM

Poor Bette was generally miserable.

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by Anonymousreply 101April 7, 2019 4:48 PM

I saw this at age 11 and my mother’s name was Helen, so I loved it.

by Anonymousreply 102April 7, 2019 4:55 PM

Nothing's the matter with Helen, you bitches.

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by Anonymousreply 103April 7, 2019 5:01 PM

There are more than a few things wrong with "Helen"

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by Anonymousreply 104April 7, 2019 9:40 PM

Shelley has a huge Roast Beef Curtain...

It grossed everyone out....

by Anonymousreply 105April 8, 2019 12:43 AM

"Oh, have a beer, Roseanne! It's not like the fetus has to drive!"

by Anonymousreply 106April 8, 2019 12:56 AM

Amazon Prime has the strange even for Shelley Poor Pretty Eddie. Leslie Uggams has many problems in 1975 deep redneck country but racism isn’t one. Shelley must have never turned down a Baby Jane knockoff that Bette and even Joan wouldn’t touch.

by Anonymousreply 107April 8, 2019 9:56 AM

Here's the ultimate in bad hag horror. Miriam Hopkins must have been starving the way she chewed the scenery.

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by Anonymousreply 108April 8, 2019 1:40 PM

In Poor Pretty Eddie has Shelley trying to act sexy. I think she lost a few pounds and it went to her head.

by Anonymousreply 109April 9, 2019 4:56 PM

I remember it as "Who Slew Auntie Roo?" myself and believe there is a film poster with that title. Don't know why it would have been changed as "who" is the grammatically correct version and makes a better title overall.

by Anonymousreply 110April 9, 2019 5:26 PM

"Miss Hopkins' Gowns by Treva."

by Anonymousreply 111April 9, 2019 5:50 PM

R111 Here's a great Gale Sondergaard "TV Hag Horror", up there with "Satan's School For Girls", "The Initiation of Sarah", "The Devil's Daughter" (the later two w/our Dame Shelley), and all those Bette Davis movies from "Madam Satan" to "The Dark Secret of Harvest Home".

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by Anonymousreply 112April 9, 2019 6:02 PM

[quote]Miss Hopkins' Gowns by Treva

JOVANI!

JOVANI!

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by Anonymousreply 113April 9, 2019 11:30 PM

I've never heard of that one, r108! I watched the beginning. I wonder if Miriam thought that was going to be her Sunset Blvd.

by Anonymousreply 114April 9, 2019 11:55 PM

^ I meant to sign the above, Treva.

by Anonymousreply 115April 9, 2019 11:56 PM

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