Another ghoulish, NYC-adjacent crime for DL to solve. Something skeevy and weird about this whole family, with multiple members reported missing and then found over the last couple of years. Whodunnit?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 600 | April 22, 2022 10:55 AM |
Murder for hire. Dad has a ho on the side
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | April 18, 2022 1:24 PM |
Matricide, the galling text came from the 13yo. Why Oregon? To get as far away as possible from my psycho family?
| by Anonymous | reply 2 | April 18, 2022 1:46 PM |
I laughed when I saw the pic of the “stately” home. Too much time at Tasteful Friends for me!
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | April 18, 2022 1:54 PM |
There goes the neighborhood.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | April 18, 2022 2:05 PM |
Calling it now, it was the 13 year-old son.
The figure seen on surveillance is too short and small to be a grown man.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | April 18, 2022 2:18 PM |
It’s always the husband.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | April 18, 2022 2:20 PM |
Why would a 13 yo kill his mother though? Just a natural born bad seed?
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | April 18, 2022 2:26 PM |
"Another ghoulish, NYC-adjacent crime"
What does the locale have to do with anything? People get murdered, even ghoulishly so, everywhere in this country, and all over the world.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | April 18, 2022 2:30 PM |
Who was the man she met up with? That might be a motive.
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | April 18, 2022 2:30 PM |
The 13-year-old son, the only one home at the time, was apparently taken away for questioning in handcuffs. He's subsequently been released, but the whole thing is bizarre. Including the extremely convenient timing of the dad and other kid being across the country. Which implies either that it's the dad or that it was an opportunity for the kid. But this family seems to have a thing with family members being reported missing and then "found" (except, until now, alive). Maybe the kid has issues and was triggered by the mom being out. He will NOT be ignored. Creepy all around.
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | April 18, 2022 2:32 PM |
Queens is "NYC adjacent"? Is it not a borough anymore? Not enough artisanal pickle stores?
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | April 18, 2022 3:16 PM |
[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 13 | April 18, 2022 3:17 PM |
R12 I mean, yes, but... Okay, busted. I'll post the fix on page 98 in tomorrow's edition.
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | April 18, 2022 3:19 PM |
[quote]Another ghoulish, NYC-adjacent crime
Oh, please. The ID Channel alone exists almost entirely on a consistent diet of ghoulish murders out of the south and flyover.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | April 18, 2022 3:31 PM |
How can I make this right for you, R15?
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | April 18, 2022 3:52 PM |
Is their truth to the killer’s message, “She sent me to jail years ago. I’m back?” Or is this just insane behavior from a crazy person?
Seems like a clue!
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | April 18, 2022 10:21 PM |
I think the article said she had a business degree, not a lawyer or anything.
Maybe she was involved in reporting a crime to the police years ago that resulted in someone doing time. And they just… waited. If so, very awful.
Even if this was a murder-for-hire or similar, wouldn’t that fake clue text send authorities on a wild goose chase that would prove it was a ruse, and confirm other suspicions? Seems unwise to throw a fake wrench in your crime that would inevitably backfire.
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | April 18, 2022 10:30 PM |
The text message sounds Huppity.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | April 18, 2022 10:37 PM |
Is that South Carolina redheaded lawyer Alex Murdaugh on the loose again?
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | April 18, 2022 11:28 PM |
Yes R21 it does seem Murdaugh-ish
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | April 19, 2022 1:47 AM |
The husband was a liberal
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | April 19, 2022 2:10 AM |
Did she light up a room when she walked into it? Where is her best friend? Is there a lake nearby?
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | April 19, 2022 3:38 AM |
Her corpse was put into a bag designed for hockey gear. Was the 13 year old son forced to play hockey and he decided to get revenge by stuffing her body into the bag?
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | April 19, 2022 3:43 AM |
I was thinking if the inevitable Law and Order sexy times about it except the 13 year old been sexing up mother. Then I remembered that episode of that show where Chad Allen was sexing up his mom Patti Lupone which had to have been written by a Datalounger.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | April 19, 2022 3:54 AM |
Oh wait it was Chad Lowe and Margot Kidder. But still.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | April 19, 2022 3:56 AM |
Her name was Orsoyla? Reminds me of Soylent.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | April 19, 2022 4:09 AM |
Was the text from a small foreign faction?
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | April 19, 2022 4:11 AM |
[quote]'Your wife sent me to jail some years ago. I'm back'
"[italic]some[/italic] years ago"??!!
Riiiiight. Junior added another throw-them-off-the-scent red herring wth the peculiar, "Your whole family is next." The killer forgot to add, "apart from your 13 year old son who is upstairs right now."
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | April 19, 2022 4:21 AM |
That footage from the cameras is a kid or a woman.
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | April 19, 2022 4:31 AM |
Why is this a more compelling story than the man gunned down outside his hotel in rural Montana?
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | April 19, 2022 4:37 AM |
[quote] For the year through April 10, major crimes are up 44 percent from the same period in 2021
No shit Sherlock, there was a shutdown for 2 years. And notice there percentages given , but no number of crimes? If there were 4 major crimes last year and 6 major crimes this year, it’s an increase of 50%, easily explained by relaxing the shutdown. How many major crimes were there in 2019, before shutdown? They don’t give numbers for perspective.
This obsession with crime in NYC is
1) NYPD being crybabies because there’s a democrat in mayoral office. They’re trying to convince NYers there’s a horrible, unstoppable crime wave happening.
2) Attempt to kill bail reform in the cradle because it will affect the prison industrial complex
3) smearing cities as crime-ridden hellholes so GOP can nullify electoral votes from blue states as being “corrupt” and “not real the America.”
Nobody gave a shit about crime in NYC in the 1980s. It was horrendous (crack epidemic led to constant muggings) and considered a fact of life. Now, NY Post and other rightwing media cherry pick crime and try to make it sound like there are 10,000 crimes a day.
Aside from the fact this is probably a domestic situation, having nothing to do with random crime.
The fact the body was dragged out of the house leaving an easily followed trail of blood is strange. Either the kid did it and wanted her body out of the house …having his dead mother’s body lying around was freaking him out …..or it was a hired killing and the husband told the killer “Get her body out of the house. I don’t want my kid to find it.”
| by Anonymous | reply 35 | April 19, 2022 5:09 AM |
If the father hired someone, it sure was sloppy....leaving a trail of blood. A professional wouldn't do that.
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | April 19, 2022 5:33 AM |
It’s the son…but in a shocking twist, it’s the older son who was supposedly out of town with the dad!
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | April 19, 2022 5:39 AM |
Hitmen don't stab 50+ times or drag the body down a city sidewalk afterwards. It's someone who knew her and felt angry and hateful towards her.
Supposedly she secretly went out with another man that night, so that's the most obvious suspect. I wouldn't rule out the kid though. The person on the video does seem like it could be a teenager. The prison text has to be an attempt to throw suspicion in another direction. I don't know how the tech works exactly but it seems like tracing her phone would be a great idea...
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | April 19, 2022 6:04 AM |
r39 the texts were sent from the murdered woman's phone.
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | April 19, 2022 6:16 AM |
I don't believe it. The husband put a hit out on her.
| by Anonymous | reply 41 | April 19, 2022 6:22 AM |
Horny MILF got on Fetlife or some other swingers' site to get some strange dick when hubby was out of town.
Hubby may have encouraged it because that's his kink too.
She picked the wrong guy and got filleted and bagged.
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | April 19, 2022 6:28 AM |
How do the bogus text messages fit into your scenario, R42.
| by Anonymous | reply 43 | April 19, 2022 6:51 AM |
R5 That's why the cops took him down for questioning.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | April 19, 2022 8:01 AM |
[Quote] The figure seen on surveillance is too short and small to be a grown man.
Soft butch sous chef on the loose?
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | April 19, 2022 8:11 AM |
Mom was addicted to BBC. She picked up some rough trade that sliced and diced her, then sent the text messages to throw police off the trail.
Or the son got tired of hearing mom getting railed by strange men whenever dad was out of town and killed her for being a whore.
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | April 19, 2022 8:17 AM |
Foul play? Something about this doesn't add up...
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | April 19, 2022 11:49 AM |
If someone else did this while the 13 year old son was in the house, how did the son not hear anything. I'm sure there were screams and she did struggle and try to defend herself. I'm leaning toward the son doing this.
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | April 19, 2022 11:53 AM |
A body chopped up and shoved into a duffel bag, then dragged several blocks to the woods might be foul play? I dunno, r47, I think you're grasping at straws here.
| by Anonymous | reply 49 | April 19, 2022 11:54 AM |
Why does the Daily Mail article headline say her side piece killed her? How do they know?
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | April 19, 2022 12:00 PM |
Would a nice Jewish boy kill his wife during Passover?
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | April 19, 2022 12:01 PM |
That’s the older son, the tranny goth one.
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | April 19, 2022 12:03 PM |
Where was Patsy Ramsey during all this?
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | April 19, 2022 12:03 PM |
What a strange looking family. The father has the Cro-Magnon look, the mom is not ugly but odd looking and has had a lot of work done, and the kids are both weird looking too.
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | April 19, 2022 12:06 PM |
The kids look like psychopaths. The only one looks like someone out of Columbine.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | April 19, 2022 12:18 PM |
Father hired the son to do it. Too cheap to pay a professional.
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | April 19, 2022 12:19 PM |
Why do people always think they are seeing a mannequin? As if mannequins are always dumped in hockey bags or on the side of the road? Anyway, the poor woman put up a fight. Just heartbreaking for her and her family.
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | April 19, 2022 12:27 PM |
Has Susan Dey weighed in on this?
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | April 19, 2022 12:27 PM |
Massive social media presence (“so happy”) is always an indicator of underlying dysfunctions.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | April 19, 2022 12:30 PM |
This whole family looks “off.” Probably best this happened.
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | April 19, 2022 12:33 PM |
That weird text message is going to be what solves the case one way or another.
| by Anonymous | reply 63 | April 19, 2022 12:34 PM |
“Some years ago” is an odd phrase for a 13 year old. Still I think he did it.
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | April 19, 2022 1:08 PM |
It was a sloppy, messy murder. DNA should be easy.
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | April 19, 2022 1:13 PM |
Can’t wait for Keith Morrison to cover this one, it’s so titillating 🧐!
| by Anonymous | reply 66 | April 19, 2022 1:57 PM |
OP's *Post* article says the 13-year-old son was "taken away in handcuffs." Crime solved.
| by Anonymous | reply 67 | April 19, 2022 2:06 PM |
R9 The location has nothing more to do with it than any other details in the story. It was a catchall, quick subject line because it was the second NYC-based story I'd posted in as many days. I have lived here since I was a baby; no NYC "dis" involved.
| by Anonymous | reply 68 | April 19, 2022 2:16 PM |
The kid did it. Mom probably told him you have to quit gaming at 9 and it pissed him off. Wonder if there are video games in prison
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | April 19, 2022 2:24 PM |
What is the source for "multiple family members" being reported missing over the years?
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | April 19, 2022 2:26 PM |
[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 71 | April 19, 2022 2:32 PM |
R70 My reply got "redacted" because I'd linked to the Indendent. Just google "Orsolya Gaal reported missing in 2020, according to police."
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | April 19, 2022 2:33 PM |
THAT little box of a house they lived in is worth TWO MILLION DOLLARS??!!
| by Anonymous | reply 73 | April 19, 2022 2:34 PM |
How long was she missing?
| by Anonymous | reply 75 | April 19, 2022 2:46 PM |
She was from Hungary or Bulgaria.
| by Anonymous | reply 76 | April 19, 2022 2:52 PM |
The kid is the only one with a reason to remove the body from the house. If the killer was someone else, they would have left the house without the body.
| by Anonymous | reply 77 | April 19, 2022 2:55 PM |
Strange history in this family. The murdered wife was reported missing a couple of years ago....and the eldest son was reported missing in 2004, when he was a baby.
| by Anonymous | reply 78 | April 19, 2022 2:59 PM |
This case looks like a “grower.”
| by Anonymous | reply 79 | April 19, 2022 3:10 PM |
Hmmm...she was a busy gal. Boyfriends?
| by Anonymous | reply 82 | April 19, 2022 3:21 PM |
[quote]Strange history in this family. The murdered wife was reported missing a couple of years ago....and the eldest son was reported missing in 2004, when he was a baby.
How does an infant go missing? Did they forget him in the back of a vehicle? One of the parents took off with him and didn't tell the other?
The wife being reported missing once before makes me wonder if hubby had tried to get rid of her then...failed hit?
| by Anonymous | reply 83 | April 19, 2022 3:29 PM |
This is one for the astute sleuths on here.
| by Anonymous | reply 84 | April 19, 2022 3:31 PM |
Another weird tidbit:
"Last week, in a now-deleted Tweet, Gaal’s husband Howard Klein wrote that he had flown to Portland, Oregon, to scout colleges with their 17-year-old son. He told the paper Saturday he was heading back to New York and that he was taking the threats seriously." Why delete such a seemingly innocuous tweet?
Trying to figure out a scenario whereby he learns (or "learns") that his wife has been murdered and thinks "oh, better delete that tweet."
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 85 | April 19, 2022 3:48 PM |
Maybe the husband decided if the family really was under thread it might be best not to announce their plans.
| by Anonymous | reply 86 | April 19, 2022 3:56 PM |
I'm thinking it's more likely someone she knew, who was able to get into the house...like an ex-boyfriend...or current boyfriend that was very angry. The stabbing was overkill, literally...60 stab wounds and other injuries.
| by Anonymous | reply 87 | April 19, 2022 4:04 PM |
I’d thought it must be the son, initially. Now I’ve changed my mind. I think it’s someone the wife knew, and that’s them in the video.
I think the police could have quickly studied the video and the 13 year old son’s build and gait and ruled him out.
The family appears on the surface to have a lot of dysfunction, going back years. Could be a lot of things going on here.
| by Anonymous | reply 89 | April 19, 2022 5:26 PM |
[quote]Maybe she was involved in reporting a crime to the police years ago that resulted in someone doing time.
The dumbest thing ever. It would be so easy to find out who she "put in jail". Was she a witness to a crime "some years ago"? If so, that person just ID'd himself.
| by Anonymous | reply 90 | April 19, 2022 5:38 PM |
If investigators do spend time and energy going through this woman’s history to see if she was on any juries or reported any crimes or such and there’s nothing, then technically it is a red herring. Just not a clever one.
| by Anonymous | reply 91 | April 19, 2022 5:54 PM |
I agree that the killer's text sounds amateurish at best. Outside of a "Murder, She Wrote" episode, what kind of killer would clumsily implicate him/herself in such an awkward way? It sounds like a plot concocted on the spot by someone who isn't terribly bright. Unless that's the cheesy red herring, along "Basic Instinct" lines -- making it look obvious to the point that it looks like a ploy. Most killers aren't as brilliant and devious as those we've come to know and love in fiction. I suspect that this mystery will be resolved shortly.
| by Anonymous | reply 92 | April 19, 2022 5:55 PM |
What a weird fucking family. She gets up in the middle of the night to walk, hubs wakes up and calls police right away? Why would you immediately think something bad? Were they possibly involved in shady shit?
| by Anonymous | reply 93 | April 19, 2022 6:09 PM |
Seems likely, R93. Wonder if they were into swinging as a couple as well?
| by Anonymous | reply 94 | April 19, 2022 6:32 PM |
I think it could have been heat stroke again, although I admit there's a slight possibility I might be wrong.
| by Anonymous | reply 95 | April 19, 2022 6:53 PM |
And the intrigue piles on.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 96 | April 19, 2022 7:15 PM |
R59, I think the mannequin thing is a way for the brain to protect itself from PTSD. A fof discovered her dad's body after he'd killed himself and she swore that his eyes were "blacked out" in reality they were swarming with ants eating his eyes. Which memory would you rather have?
| by Anonymous | reply 97 | April 19, 2022 7:20 PM |
What a strange, fascinating story. Makes me want to visit Websleuths again, but that place is such a terrible time sink and the stories there give me terrible nightmares.
BY THE WAY! Did we ever figure out what really happened to that firefighter in Mexico last year, who was found dead hanging halfway out of a basement window?
| by Anonymous | reply 98 | April 19, 2022 7:53 PM |
It seems obvious that MANY people wanted this woman dead, at least 4 different strange men, her husband, AND her 13-year-old son. I'm sensing that they ALL must have killed her at the same time, and that explains why there was such an overabundance of stab wounds. It was overkill, if you will.
| by Anonymous | reply 99 | April 19, 2022 7:57 PM |
It's beginning to look like the work of a small foreign faction, to me.
| by Anonymous | reply 100 | April 19, 2022 7:59 PM |
R96 So someone was waiting for her? With the son in the house? Now I do think it’s the son again. I don’t know what to think!
| by Anonymous | reply 101 | April 19, 2022 7:59 PM |
[quote]Were they possibly involved in shady shit?
I don't doubt it for a second.
| by Anonymous | reply 102 | April 19, 2022 8:00 PM |
So she met a man earlier earlier that evening at Lincoln Center, was stood up at a bar by a different man later that evening and then let in her killer (who could've been date #1, date #2 who stood her up or a whole new man altogether) in the middle of the night? This bitch's voracious appetite for cock would've made her the perfect DLer!
| by Anonymous | reply 103 | April 19, 2022 8:02 PM |
Truck was to meet her. Stood her up but watched from afar. Killed her after she got home.
| by Anonymous | reply 104 | April 19, 2022 8:04 PM |
R104 I like this theory. Plausible.
| by Anonymous | reply 106 | April 19, 2022 8:05 PM |
The only thing missing is a game of cat-and-mouse at the Met.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 107 | April 19, 2022 8:16 PM |
Was she a high end call girl? That's an expensive lifestyle to support
| by Anonymous | reply 108 | April 19, 2022 8:19 PM |
Not high end. Suburban. But if she’s foreign she’s hooking. Maybe husband even knows. If she’s American born she’s just whiting around when she gets time away from the husband. She could be a sloppy Dom to internet creeps that she’d meet
| by Anonymous | reply 109 | April 19, 2022 8:48 PM |
I'm not trying to blame the victim, but as I've said for years, any woman who wears a tiara on her wedding day is at least bat shit adjacent
| by Anonymous | reply 111 | April 19, 2022 8:52 PM |
I actually think we are focused on the wrong person. What if it’s the husband?
He’s totally aware his wife is a whore, so he has a side piece. Because he’s an investment banker, we know he’s completely narcissistic and borderline aspie, so he doesn’t have a good picker with women.
So he has a totally insanely jealous side piece who kills the wife. Killer sent *him* a text, that’s why I think this case is actually about him and has nothing to do with the wife’s lifestyle. Why else would the killer text him if the motivation isn’t to upset him? Another possibility is husband and side piece planned the killing (he’s conveniently out of town and even solidifies his alibi by deleting a tweet), and the text sent to him to designed to lead police away from looking at him?
If I am wrong, I will buy you all coffee.
| by Anonymous | reply 112 | April 19, 2022 8:55 PM |
[quote]any woman who wears a tiara on her wedding day is at least bat shit adjacent
I like you. 🤣
| by Anonymous | reply 113 | April 19, 2022 9:28 PM |
Thanks! R113. I'm thinking of doing stand up
| by Anonymous | reply 114 | April 19, 2022 9:38 PM |
The guys she was chatting with might have been family.
| by Anonymous | reply 115 | April 19, 2022 9:55 PM |
Why didn’t she take her husband’s surname?
She looks like a mail order bride.
| by Anonymous | reply 116 | April 19, 2022 9:55 PM |
[quote] Truck was to meet her. Stood her up but watched from afar. Killed her after she got home.
Why?
Stabbing someone 61 times is personal.
Was the blood trail from the house? The kid was home as she was being killed?
| by Anonymous | reply 117 | April 19, 2022 9:56 PM |
Wooooow, this site will not load. R115 r116 r117
Forgive me, I’m just testing.
| by Anonymous | reply 118 | April 19, 2022 10:02 PM |
As it reflects on the various theories… I’m still unsure about the 13 year old son still being in the house, and the mother knowing this.
Would she plan on bringing a secret date or trick back to the house with the son there? Seems possible but not likely.
Could she have planned to meet someone at the bar who stood her up, then she met him later or ran into him (like in the bar parking lot). Then had him walk (drive) her to her door with no intention of having him in? Where he pushed her in and attacked her? Not knowing there was a teenage son inside because she saw no need to tell the assailant? Seems plausible.
Would she have had a date or hook-up meet and greet at a local bar with no intention of returning to her own home with him? And the “date” stood her up intentionally with plans to ambush her at her home? Waiting there. Possibly doing enough research to learn the father and son were away but was unaware of the younger son? Seems plausible.
Would a hit job killer invade the home to kill the mother knowing the son was in the house? Having not planned to kill the son? Very chaotic. Doesn’t seem likely.
Random psychopath attack who ambushed her in her drive and pushed her inside? Dragging her body through the neighborhood later in a duffel bag for all to see? Unlikely, but possible.
Many options. Possible combos of each. No easy answers.
| by Anonymous | reply 119 | April 19, 2022 10:09 PM |
^tgen how to you address the text to the husband?
| by Anonymous | reply 120 | April 19, 2022 10:11 PM |
I can’t! Another fold to the mystery.
| by Anonymous | reply 121 | April 19, 2022 10:13 PM |
The person (the murderer) boldly dragging the corpse in full view on the sidewalk in the middle of the night for the neighbors to discover at first light, says the most about who did this. Along with the text message.
HIRED KILLER
| by Anonymous | reply 122 | April 19, 2022 10:16 PM |
The killer didn't have a car. Did she offer to give somebody a lift and he attacked her?
| by Anonymous | reply 123 | April 19, 2022 10:16 PM |
Why would a killer in Queens have a car?
| by Anonymous | reply 124 | April 19, 2022 10:26 PM |
This almost sounds like someone was waiting in the house and ambushed her when she walked in the door.
[quote]Cops want to question a man they believe had a past romantic relationship with slain Queens mom Orsolya Gaal and specific knowledge of the family’s home, The Post has learned.
[quote]It’s unclear when the relationship began and then soured, but according to sources familiar with the case, the man would have been [bold]familiar enough with the family’s well-kept home in Forest Hills to know how to get in without breaking and entering.[/bold]
[quote]Gaal was stabbed nearly 60 times sometime in the wee hours Saturday [bold]inside the front of the home,[/bold] with her corpse then taken to the basement, sources and authorities have said. She was stashed in a black Bauer hockey bag similar to one belonging to her kids, and the pouch containing her body was then dragged outside and dumped about a half-mile away, cops said.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 125 | April 19, 2022 10:28 PM |
R122, I agree, it feels like a hit in some ways (though not all). But if it was a hired killer, it feels like that would be the husband and not a lover. Not totally sure why I feel this way, it’s just my gut.
| by Anonymous | reply 126 | April 19, 2022 10:29 PM |
If she was fucking around with married men then there must be some pissed of wives out there, just a suggestion
| by Anonymous | reply 127 | April 19, 2022 10:33 PM |
Who will play her in the TV movie? I was thinking Joely Richardson but she’s about 10-15 years too old.
| by Anonymous | reply 128 | April 19, 2022 10:37 PM |
I don't know if a 13 year old would be strong enough to stab her 60 times, drag her body into the basement, put it in a hockey bag, and then lug it all the way upstairs again.
| by Anonymous | reply 129 | April 19, 2022 10:41 PM |
The dragging the body in a hickey bag that belonged to the kid... I feel like the kid would be the only one who would do that move. Yes. For ALL TO SEE.
| by Anonymous | reply 131 | April 19, 2022 10:43 PM |
There is absolutely no way in fucking hell it was the kid. They already interrogated him too. Kids just aren’t that smart, and neither are most adults. Committing this crime, which was indeed extremely elaborate, could only occur with an adult(s).
Most guys know that hockey bags can haul a ton of weight. Do we know if that bag came from inside the house 100%?
| by Anonymous | reply 133 | April 19, 2022 10:47 PM |
Any photos of the family?
| by Anonymous | reply 134 | April 19, 2022 10:49 PM |
A hired killer stabbing a woman SIXTY TIMES with a knife? NO WAY. It was a deranged act of revenge, obviously.
| by Anonymous | reply 135 | April 19, 2022 10:50 PM |
You are likely right r135, but I also think the killer is trying to go above and beyond to “stage”. That could include the overkill.
| by Anonymous | reply 136 | April 19, 2022 10:53 PM |
She’s Russian. She has crazy eyes.
| by Anonymous | reply 138 | April 19, 2022 10:59 PM |
R2 as someone born and raised in Portland, OR, I was wondering why about that myself. I love it here, but it’s not exactly a great destination if you’re looking for top-notch colleges. I’m guessing the son was visiting either Lewis and Clark or the Reed—possibly University of Portland, which is a respectable Catholic school. Reed is a psychotic shithole, an overpriced version of the equally insane Evergreen State College. Kind of strange to seek out Portland of all places when you have access to so many superior universities in the NYC area alone, but as you said, maybe he just wants to get away from the family.
| by Anonymous | reply 139 | April 19, 2022 11:04 PM |
[quote]they ALL must have killed her at the same time
How unoriginal.
| by Anonymous | reply 140 | April 19, 2022 11:07 PM |
A hired killer would not take the time to cut her up or be seen on camera. They are efficient and are in and out quickly.
| by Anonymous | reply 141 | April 19, 2022 11:14 PM |
R141 She wasn't dismembered, apparently. That was from early reports that have since been corrected. She was just stabbed dozens of times and then jammed into that duffel bag.
| by Anonymous | reply 142 | April 19, 2022 11:19 PM |
Did I get the impression she was a nympho, with several manfriends on the side?
| by Anonymous | reply 143 | April 19, 2022 11:22 PM |
Why all the lugging around of the body? So odd and unnecessary. Killed her on the first floor, dragged her to the basement, dragged her back up again in the hockey bag, out the door, and then wheeled her several blocks. Sounds exhausting. Why not just go to the basement to get the bag and bring it up? And why didn't the kid hear all the commotion? It was a long drawn out horror scene in that house.
| by Anonymous | reply 144 | April 19, 2022 11:24 PM |
[quote]A hired killer would not take the time to cut her up or be seen on camera. They are efficient and are in and out quickly.
The woman wasn't dismembered, the UK Mail always has problems with verifying their info.
The killer sure wasn't a professional. I guess the killer also couldn't drive? Do you realize how far Forest Park is from this woman's home?! Dragging a bag with a dead body in it?! Leaving a bloody trail. Didn't the moronic killer realize most homes have surveillance cameras? Especially homes in an upper middle class neighborhood where most homes are $1million and up.
Of course, the Daily Fail misspelled Forest Park: "Forrest Park", typical.
| by Anonymous | reply 146 | April 19, 2022 11:42 PM |
[quote]Did I get the impression she was a nympho,
Nympho? The 1950s phoned, R143, saying they've moved on and you needn't come back.
| by Anonymous | reply 147 | April 19, 2022 11:48 PM |
Hmmm...back to the 13 year old...lol.
| by Anonymous | reply 148 | April 19, 2022 11:49 PM |
Lots of wild cards in this case!
| by Anonymous | reply 149 | April 19, 2022 11:58 PM |
The performative nature of the crime (dragged out for people to discover, 61 stab wounds, the text message… everybody look at this!) makes me think it was either the past jilted lover in the above article (who sounds nuts), the 13-year-old, or a random psychopath.
| by Anonymous | reply 150 | April 20, 2022 12:02 AM |
I hope this doesn't become a cold case. I'm intrigued and want to know!
| by Anonymous | reply 151 | April 20, 2022 12:04 AM |
[quote]Why all the lugging around of the body?
The blood trail started at a side door. The neighboring houses of the same design have basement doors at driveway level, whereas the first floor of the house is up a three steps.
Maybe they didn't want to take any chances maneuvering a ~100-lb. bag down the stairs at the front door, in full view of the street. They would have had to carry it down, or thunk-thunk-thunk.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 152 | April 20, 2022 12:07 AM |
Why couldn't it be the handyman boyfriend?
| by Anonymous | reply 153 | April 20, 2022 12:07 AM |
I bet it was the 13 year old son.
| by Anonymous | reply 154 | April 20, 2022 12:08 AM |
yeah, it was that kid who was home who is responsible.How could he not hear such a violent confrontation? Mom was stabbed 60 times and fought back? Then shoved into a duffel bag and tossed into a nearby park?
| by Anonymous | reply 155 | April 20, 2022 12:10 AM |
He was playing video games and had his ear buds in.
| by Anonymous | reply 156 | April 20, 2022 12:13 AM |
Where was her cellphone that was used to send the text? Did they find it in the house?
| by Anonymous | reply 157 | April 20, 2022 12:16 AM |
13 years old. Judging from the photo, he wasn't a big kid (the photo may not be recent). The mother appeared on the smaller side, also. I don't know if he could overtake her like that...unless he took her by surprise and was immediately injured in a way that would make it harder for her to fight him. Some 13 year old boys can be as big as adults...even bigger than their parents. The way the body was removed wasn't well thought out and sloppy.
| by Anonymous | reply 158 | April 20, 2022 12:17 AM |
I’m going with wife of one of the men she was schtupping who was probably known to the family and had been in the house before.
| by Anonymous | reply 159 | April 20, 2022 12:19 AM |
I think an aggressive 13 year old could overpower her if, and only if, he mortally wounded her immediately. Then she would not have been able to fight as hard, which is why I think there are so many stab wounds. She was unable to defend herself fairly quickly IMHO.
| by Anonymous | reply 160 | April 20, 2022 12:21 AM |
My guess is husband knew she was fucking around, catfished her with a fake profile looking to hookup and sent a hitman out.
| by Anonymous | reply 161 | April 20, 2022 12:31 AM |
Oooooooo, r161! That’s a great theory.
| by Anonymous | reply 162 | April 20, 2022 12:31 AM |
Maybe the ex-boyfriend was under the influence of something and that is why the disposal of the body was handled so poorly.
NYP:
Cops want to question a former handyman lover of slain Queens mom Orsolya Gaal who had intimate knowledge of her home — including where the family kept a spare key, The Post has learned.
The man, who has not yet been formally identified as a person of interest or suspect in the gruesome slaying, is believed to have had a romantic relationship with the 51-year-old married mother of two before the affair went south, law-enforcement sources said.
It’s unclear when the relationship began and ended, but according to sources familiar with the case, the man knew where the family kept a spare key at their well-kept Forest Hills Tudor and would have been able to access the home without breaking in...
Police believe the killer knew Gaal because there were no signs of a break-in, and considering the violent nature of the crime, they suspect the attack was personal and fueled by anger specifically toward her, sources said.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 163 | April 20, 2022 12:32 AM |
The husband was probably fooling around, too.
| by Anonymous | reply 165 | April 20, 2022 12:34 AM |
Is the handyman as small as the person dragging the duffle bag?
| by Anonymous | reply 166 | April 20, 2022 12:36 AM |
Wow..thanks R163. That makes sense, too...some good theories on here!
| by Anonymous | reply 167 | April 20, 2022 12:36 AM |
Maybe the camera angle makes the perp appear smaller.
| by Anonymous | reply 169 | April 20, 2022 12:39 AM |
[quote]She’s Russian. She has crazy eyes.
Hungarian Jewish woman.
| by Anonymous | reply 170 | April 20, 2022 12:44 AM |
Why take the body from the house, drag it half a mile, and leave it there?
| by Anonymous | reply 171 | April 20, 2022 12:47 AM |
Why would the 13-year old get that psychotically mad? On behalf of his dad? I don't think so.
| by Anonymous | reply 173 | April 20, 2022 1:01 AM |
[quote]yeah, it was that kid who was home who is responsible.How could he not hear such a violent confrontation?
It can happen.
| by Anonymous | reply 174 | April 20, 2022 1:03 AM |
R161 I like the idea that she got catfished to show up to the bar but it def wasn’t a professional hit, too messy.
| by Anonymous | reply 175 | April 20, 2022 1:11 AM |
Maybe it was the hitman's first hit...hasn't finessed the art of body removal skills yet...lol.
| by Anonymous | reply 176 | April 20, 2022 1:15 AM |
R175, yes, the whole point of hiring a hitman is that he is a random person not connected to the victim; he can just shoot and walk away. Hanging around, dismembering a body, then dragging it somewhere all radically ups the chance that the killer will be caught on camera (as he apparently was) and/or will leave DNA evidence.
| by Anonymous | reply 177 | April 20, 2022 1:20 AM |
Okay. Maybe the jilted handyman catfished her!
| by Anonymous | reply 178 | April 20, 2022 1:24 AM |
This couple must have had an open marriage. She was fucking around way too much for the husband not to know and turn a blind eye. The handyman?
| by Anonymous | reply 179 | April 20, 2022 1:28 AM |
I think you're on to something, R179. She was cheating on one of her lovers and one of them killed her?
| by Anonymous | reply 180 | April 20, 2022 1:33 AM |
My extensive knowledge of murder from watching every episode of every arm of Law and Order tells me that it was the wife of one of her lovers who is trying to frame the younger teenager son.
| by Anonymous | reply 181 | April 20, 2022 1:40 AM |
[quote]It’s always the husband.
Sometimes it’s the husbear.
| by Anonymous | reply 182 | April 20, 2022 1:57 AM |
I wonder if they are on Xhamster or Pornhub?
"Cuck watches as married MILF takes on multiple strangers"
That's a good way to get a psycho stalker.
| by Anonymous | reply 183 | April 20, 2022 1:58 AM |
Yeah, R178, he could have been the one who posed as another man to 1) see if she'd take the bait and 2) get her out of the house so he could be there when she returned home.
The explanation @ R158 of the driveway leading right to the basement makes sense. That was likely how she entered the house on returning home. A lot of houses in the NE are like that. The front door is more of a formal entrance. The side is where you go in/out 90% of the time because that's where the cars are. The side entrance, in this case, is also at basement level. He knew she'd go in that way--and he killed her there, stuffed her in the hockey bag and wheeled her right back out onto the driveway and down the street.
It may also explain why the kid didn't hear anything. If he was on the third floor, there were two floors in between them. Plus....headphones..
| by Anonymous | reply 184 | April 20, 2022 1:58 AM |
Why are her eyes so wide open and big? Is this some sort of plastic surgery?
| by Anonymous | reply 185 | April 20, 2022 2:01 AM |
Stabbed in the wee hours, that's gotta hurt.
| by Anonymous | reply 186 | April 20, 2022 2:52 AM |
With every news report I see on this, I'm struck by how lovely the neighborhood is.
Those Tudor-style houses are really well maintained (many have new windows) and have impeccable landscaping—perfectly manicured hedges and vine-wrapped trees, even at this time of year. (They make DL favorite Kate Lawrence of Family look like she lived in the hood, with that janky chain-link fence in her front yard!) The HOA must really be hardcore.
But the murder house is really worth $2 million? (Not anymore, but still...)
| by Anonymous | reply 187 | April 20, 2022 3:13 AM |
beautiful park with a billion trees. In the hottest summer the temperature is 10 to 15 degrees cooler in the park
| by Anonymous | reply 188 | April 20, 2022 4:08 AM |
$3500 reward for info???? They better add a 0 if they expect anyone in that area to make an effort
| by Anonymous | reply 189 | April 20, 2022 6:13 AM |
I've been positing this theory since R42, and the subsequent details suggest I'll be proven right: Slutty swingers got in over their heads.
The cuck authorized his wife to pick up some dick while he was out of town and maybe send him videos or photos.
The wife accidentally picked up the wrong guy or, more desperate for cock than usual, re-connected with a psycho who held a grudge. She got sliced, diced, and bagged. The killer was crazy enough to overkill, drag her outside, and text the red herring about jail.
These "bulls" aren't the most stable types. I suspect Ezra Miller's first arrest in Hawaii—the one where he threatened to kill a man's "slut wife"—was also a threesome situation gone bad.
| by Anonymous | reply 190 | April 20, 2022 6:34 AM |
𝐏𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐋𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐎𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐥𝐲𝐚 𝐆𝐚𝐚𝐥’𝐬 𝐇𝐢𝐦𝐛𝐨
She had a handyman
The man, who has not yet been formally identified as a person of interest or suspect in the gruesome slaying, is believed to have had a romantic relationship with the 51-year-old married mother of two before the affair went south, law-enforcement sources said.
It’s unclear when the relationship began and ended, but according to sources familiar with the case, the man knew where the family kept a spare key at their well-kept Forest Hills tudor and would have been able to access the home without breaking in.
“[Detectives] don’t think it was a planned murder,” a law-enforcement source said.
“He left a blood trail for five blocks from the house,” the source said.
“It was like a trail of bread crumbs.
If you want to kill somebody, you try to make it a little cleaner, be a little more prepared. He didn’t go with something to move her body. He took something from the house,” the source said.
Cops are also looking to speak with several men Gaal had been texting with before her death, sources said, as detectives plastered posters around the neighborhood offering a $3,500 reward in exchange for tips.
On Friday evening, Gaal headed out with friends to see a show at Lincoln Center before returning to Queens around midnight and hitting a bar in her neighborhood, where she hung out for about 40 minutes alone, apparently waiting for someone, police sources said.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 191 | April 20, 2022 6:38 AM |
"Look- I got a brutally murdered woman in the other room who's way past the point of being 'embarrassed'!"
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 192 | April 20, 2022 7:28 AM |
I hate it when sluts die.
| by Anonymous | reply 193 | April 20, 2022 7:43 AM |
From the beginning, I thought the animal that killed her was someone she was fucking on the side. Years ago (1985), a girl I went to school with was stabbed and killed and her side piece was also stabbed. He survived by pretending to be dead. Her boyfriend followed her to the side pieces apt, then kicked in the door. He killed her first. She called 911, and while she was on the phone he stabbed her to death and it was recorded and played in court. The side peice ran and after the boyfriend killed her he chased him outside and stabbed him too. His testimony in court and that 911, call were just horrifying. I went to court everyday with her Mother, because I'd known her since I was a kid, and we worked at the same place. The Boyfriend, got life in prison, but got out in 2000. I realize the circumstances of this crime are somewhat different, but it reminded me so much, of my friends murder. Her boyfriend was always unstable and we'd tell her, he was insanely jealous. She didn't believe it. Sorry, I'm rambling,. This just reminded me of my friends murder.
| by Anonymous | reply 194 | April 20, 2022 9:30 AM |
Hmm… I suspect her 13-year old, who would be young and foolish enough to panic like that: Dragging her body in a hockey bag across the street, only to abandon it a bit down the road. Also, the figure in the video still looks very young and scrawny to me.
| by Anonymous | reply 195 | April 20, 2022 9:48 AM |
Why does everyone say the figure in the photo looks small? In relation to who/what? The hockey bag? Those things are HUGE. And there isn't anything else around him to reference his size.
Those thinking it's the kid. The police would have gotten a confession immediately. A 13 y/o would be easy to break. Further, he would have been covered in blood and have injuries from the fight. Also, there would have been evidence (blood) elsewhere in the house as he tried to clean up the scene, his clothes, the knife.
| by Anonymous | reply 196 | April 20, 2022 10:30 AM |
Is there a social media link for the wife?
| by Anonymous | reply 197 | April 20, 2022 10:54 AM |
I initially though he kid but thinking about everything r196 said makes sense. Also I’m wondering if the camera that caught the person with the bag caught them coming back to the house afterwards. The kid would have probably come back by the same route, and the killer as well for that matter would have possibly returned that way to their car to leave the scene unless they parked in an area where they didn’t walk in front of that camera.
| by Anonymous | reply 198 | April 20, 2022 11:31 AM |
This story is so FUCKING weird. And I love it. Not for the family so much but in the name of true crime investigations.
| by Anonymous | reply 199 | April 20, 2022 11:45 AM |
Be real here. If the young son did it the police would know to an absolute certainty the minute they entered the house to tell him his mother was murdered. That's not to say it'd be good enough evidence for a charge, but of course they would know.
And while wheeling the body away does sound like the preferred disposal method of someone not old enough to drive, those same cameras would have caught him returning to the house. Where are the images?
| by Anonymous | reply 200 | April 20, 2022 12:24 PM |
R197 I recall someone posting a link to her FB page above or in another thread, but it’s most likely private now.
| by Anonymous | reply 201 | April 20, 2022 12:27 PM |
I think it was the kid in a rage.
How could he not hear his mother fighting and being stabbed 60 times. Stabbing is personal and the overkill makes it even more personal.
A pro would never have dragged a bloody down and up from the basement. And who was the hockey player who would have known where the bag was?
Lastly, dragging a bloody corpse and leaving a blood trail?
I think it was the kid.
| by Anonymous | reply 202 | April 20, 2022 12:49 PM |
R197 R201 The Facebook page is still up. Just search for Orsolya Gaal. She posted as recently as April 13.
| by Anonymous | reply 203 | April 20, 2022 12:52 PM |
R203 What would be the point of leaving it up? Have they found that like the murderer returning to the scene of crime they also frequent someone’s SM after they kill them and hope to get information from that?
| by Anonymous | reply 204 | April 20, 2022 12:55 PM |
Hmm… the gait of that person hauling the bag is interesting. Almost similar to a woman walking busily and hurriedly with a tall cup of coffee in her right hand…
That's a woman's gait.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 205 | April 20, 2022 12:59 PM |
R204 No clue. I was surprised that they didn't at least restrict access but I guess the family would have to do that. Maybe she didn't leave "legacy" instructions or whatever they call it when people designate someone else to manage social media upon demise. The law steps in to shut down social media of killers/terrorists/shooters, or anyone with an obvious manifesto, but victims' pages tend to be left alone.
| by Anonymous | reply 206 | April 20, 2022 1:01 PM |
why would an online date kill the victim in her home, potentially with a witness hearing or seeing the murder and then text the husband?
| by Anonymous | reply 207 | April 20, 2022 1:02 PM |
how would an online date have the husband's mobile number to send that text?
| by Anonymous | reply 208 | April 20, 2022 1:05 PM |
It's probably in the phone. I wonder if the murderer was a jealous wife or girlfriend?
| by Anonymous | reply 209 | April 20, 2022 1:07 PM |
R208 The message was sent from the wife's phone.
| by Anonymous | reply 210 | April 20, 2022 1:14 PM |
mobile phones have codes or facial recognition requirements to use. The online date had the presence of mind after that struggle to find the phone and send a threatening text to the husband? Before disposing his victim's body?
| by Anonymous | reply 211 | April 20, 2022 1:26 PM |
R211 If the text was sent by the killer, he would have had access to her (dead) face or fingertips to sign in. I have no idea when or how the text was sent; I just read that it was sent from her phone. It does all sound a bit odd, with the kid upstairs, but the whole thing is so wacky that anything is possible. The kid was upstairs during the savage stabbing and all; the killer could have certainly spent another 10 seconds typing out a quick text.
| by Anonymous | reply 212 | April 20, 2022 1:33 PM |
Good point R211! I suppose facial recognition would work if you were dead. Creepy to think about.
| by Anonymous | reply 213 | April 20, 2022 1:34 PM |
Radio report this morning said workman who had been in the house was "A Person of Interest."
| by Anonymous | reply 214 | April 20, 2022 1:36 PM |
R214 The handyman ex-lover? OR is there another one?
| by Anonymous | reply 215 | April 20, 2022 1:38 PM |
if the family was next, why was the 13 yo spared?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 216 | April 20, 2022 1:38 PM |
13-year-old son, Leo, is was preparing for his Bar Mitzvah.
| by Anonymous | reply 217 | April 20, 2022 1:39 PM |
No one is coming for the family next. That was a ruse done in a panic to throw off investigators.
At least that’s what I think right now. Ask me again in a few hours.
| by Anonymous | reply 218 | April 20, 2022 1:41 PM |
The text and the alleged catfish are things a woman would do
| by Anonymous | reply 219 | April 20, 2022 1:43 PM |
R129 Wouldn't THAT be a bingeable twist. I'm ready to start casting the miniseries. The video and the behavior do suggest a rabid woman. Maybe the girlfriend of the handyman/lover, who would have had access to the house keys. It would also explain why the victim was sitting alone at a bar alone for close to an hour before finally going home. The jealous girlfriend, using her handyman boyfriend's phone, texted the victim to meet him at the watering hole. He (obviously) never showed up. The jealous girlfriend, would have had time to go to the house and set things up for the ambush upon the stood-up woman's return.
| by Anonymous | reply 220 | April 20, 2022 1:49 PM |
Sorry, R129 -- meant R219
| by Anonymous | reply 221 | April 20, 2022 1:49 PM |
Out of curiosity, I checked out her FB page. There are so many gorgeous photos of her life and travels and family. She was a very attractive woman who looked like she had it all. To think she met with such a violent end... It goes to show that what is presented on one's life isn't always what it appears.
| by Anonymous | reply 222 | April 20, 2022 1:54 PM |
presented *of one's life..^
| by Anonymous | reply 223 | April 20, 2022 1:55 PM |
So, is the "She put in prison" text referring to something that actually happened OR was it to throw them off?
| by Anonymous | reply 224 | April 20, 2022 1:55 PM |
People who post relentlessly on Facebook are often narcissists with dysfunctional lives, R222.
| by Anonymous | reply 225 | April 20, 2022 1:58 PM |
Unfortunately, her extracurricular activities have created a long list of possible suspects.
| by Anonymous | reply 226 | April 20, 2022 2:17 PM |
Yes...now there are multiple suspects in the case. This one may take a while.
| by Anonymous | reply 227 | April 20, 2022 2:26 PM |
Yes DoomLa, that's why I said: I believe that figure in the video to be a WOMAN.
| by Anonymous | reply 228 | April 20, 2022 2:28 PM |
For those of you who are incredulous about the 13 year old not hearing anything, it was the middle of the night and he was most likely asleep in his bedroom. The murder occurred in the basement level entryway, probably a few floors below where his bedroom is located. Do you remember how hard you slept as a teenager? Even though I don’t sleep worth a damn now, at 13 the house could have fallen down around me and I would not woken up. It’s not at all implausible he didn’t hear anything.
| by Anonymous | reply 229 | April 20, 2022 2:31 PM |
I don't think the 13 year old did it....for now..lol. I go back and forth on it, but other theories on here make more sense. I like the handyman or the handyman's wife theory.
| by Anonymous | reply 230 | April 20, 2022 2:34 PM |
Teenagers don't sleep anymore. My nephew is online gaming with strangers with headphones on until 3 am in the morning or later. That is what kids do nowadays. He was probably in his room with headphones on - which will probably haunt him the rest of his life. His mother getting brutalized while he was upstairs playing video games.
And with so many things you COULD say, why would you even mention prison? Maybe the "prison" is metaphoric for someone who is absolutely consumed by someone who jilted them.
| by Anonymous | reply 231 | April 20, 2022 2:38 PM |
The news reports that she likely died around 12:40 but the video of the body being pulled in the hockey bag was recorded around 4:30. So the killer stayed in the house between these times?
| by Anonymous | reply 232 | April 20, 2022 2:45 PM |
I agree, R229. Many teenagers also listen to music while sleeping.
| by Anonymous | reply 233 | April 20, 2022 2:52 PM |
Since we don't know if they had sex, it may not be an "L&O SVU" episode.
| by Anonymous | reply 234 | April 20, 2022 3:04 PM |
It could be if we find out she was a mail order bride, R234.
| by Anonymous | reply 235 | April 20, 2022 3:08 PM |
R232 I think the perpetrator was stiff of shock and fear after he/she committed the murder in a rage (50+ stabbings). Probably sat there for hours, then decided, still in shock, that the best thing to do was to take the body somewhere else.
I know how unlikely that sounds, but this wasn't a professional hitman — this was a rookie raging with anger/passion.
| by Anonymous | reply 236 | April 20, 2022 3:13 PM |
I go back to the cameras on the street. Where's the arrival of the killer? Is there a car? If not, a walk from the subway? What happened after dropping the bag off? Are the police being selective in releasing photos?
| by Anonymous | reply 237 | April 20, 2022 3:16 PM |
Still think it was the kid.
| by Anonymous | reply 238 | April 20, 2022 3:33 PM |
It was the kid, watch the video with emphasid on the legs. Those are the legs of a teen boy add to that the hoodie.
| by Anonymous | reply 239 | April 20, 2022 3:44 PM |
[quote]The murder occurred in the basement level entryway,
The article I linked somewhere above said she was killed inside the front of the house before being taken to the basement. The basement door is on the side, and that’s where the blood trail originates.
The house at R152 is the same as hers; the doors are in the same places.
| by Anonymous | reply 240 | April 20, 2022 3:49 PM |
The house I grew up was an older home, with the side door. You go in, it's the landing which connects two stairways. One stairway led up to the kitchen, the other stairs led down to the basement.
| by Anonymous | reply 241 | April 20, 2022 3:54 PM |
If that message was indeed sent from her phone, the son would probably have known the password; he'd have used that phone before he was old enough to have his own. Or have added his fingerprints.
| by Anonymous | reply 242 | April 20, 2022 3:55 PM |
Her 2017 profile photo on Facebook (see R203) shows a mousier, less plastic looking brunette. She seems to have undergone quite a bit of change in her appearance.
| by Anonymous | reply 243 | April 20, 2022 3:57 PM |
That’s what it is, r241. In one of the kitchen photos at r152, you can see a doormat along with an open door which is in the correct position to lead to stairs going to the basement and driveway.
| by Anonymous | reply 244 | April 20, 2022 4:06 PM |
Was the wife a mail order bride? The younger son looks trans, but not homicidal. Wife looks like she has no friends and meets up with guys from online chats for excitement. She somehow crossed paths online with the psycho. They then stalked her. Or, it’s related to her being foreign.
| by Anonymous | reply 245 | April 20, 2022 4:13 PM |
I read an article in DM that said the husband met her in Bulgaria, which is where he was living and working at the time. So she was Bulgarian, but not a mail order bride.
| by Anonymous | reply 246 | April 20, 2022 4:17 PM |
Ugh she’s a BULGARIAN!!!
| by Anonymous | reply 247 | April 20, 2022 4:18 PM |
No one expects the Bulgarian Inquisition!
| by Anonymous | reply 248 | April 20, 2022 4:22 PM |
[quote]Wife looks like she has no friends
Don't forget the group of "Russian ladies" she drank with at the 5 Burro Cafe, according to the owner.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 249 | April 20, 2022 4:28 PM |
My understanding is that she was Hungarian and that she had a good Uni business education. I think the husband met her through work. I hope she had Zsa Zsa voice.
| by Anonymous | reply 250 | April 20, 2022 4:29 PM |
She's Gaál Orsalya from Hungary.
"A magyar származású nő 51 éves volt. . . Gaál Orsolya Magyarországon tanult. Facebook-profilja szerint a Budapest Business School Nemzetközi Menedzsment és Üzleti Főiskolára járt."
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 251 | April 20, 2022 4:31 PM |
Do we know where O.J. was on the night in question?
| by Anonymous | reply 252 | April 20, 2022 4:31 PM |
"The news reports that she likely died around 12:40 but the video of the body being pulled in the hockey bag was recorded around 4:30. So the killer stayed in the house between these times? "
that killer stayed behind for hours, risking discovery, used the victims phone to send a threatening text but spared the son who was home for all those hours and did not hear his mother being butchered
| by Anonymous | reply 253 | April 20, 2022 4:33 PM |
watched the clip of the hooded figure dragging the body away . There is no way that's an adult man .
| by Anonymous | reply 254 | April 20, 2022 4:59 PM |
Earlier reports said the younger son was led away in handcuffs. You don’t do that just to question someone, only on suspects. Imagine being 17 and having the world find out your mother was sleeping around. The husband will be cuckolded by family, friends, co-workers, though we don’t know what type of arrangement they might have had. Sad all around.
| by Anonymous | reply 255 | April 20, 2022 5:02 PM |
Maybe slutty swinger mom liked the pole and the hole and was doing the lez-lez with a soft butch sous chef who got jealous.
Or maybe she was (gasp) doing one of her sons' friends.
| by Anonymous | reply 256 | April 20, 2022 5:03 PM |
Do we have a photo of the ex-lover handyman who is a person of interest? Height, weight?
| by Anonymous | reply 257 | April 20, 2022 5:15 PM |
I wonder why they're not releasing more camera footage. No way that's the only house with a camera and even as the person is walking, the sun is coming up so there has to be more footage that is clearer from a house further down.
| by Anonymous | reply 258 | April 20, 2022 5:37 PM |
If it's someone not from the house, why take the body away?
| by Anonymous | reply 259 | April 20, 2022 5:38 PM |
[quote]I hate it when sluts die.
There but for the grace of God...!
| by Anonymous | reply 260 | April 20, 2022 5:57 PM |
Hungarian...not Bulgarian.
| by Anonymous | reply 261 | April 20, 2022 6:14 PM |
R187 , not her house but the houses a few blocks down are part of Forest Hills Gardens. It is a private neighborhood and considered very exclusive. The in laws house on Mrs. Maisel was in the Gardens.
| by Anonymous | reply 262 | April 20, 2022 6:47 PM |
They paid $1,675,000 in 2012.
| by Anonymous | reply 263 | April 20, 2022 7:07 PM |
Nobody deserves to die this way, but what kind of "mother" leaves her 13 yr old son alone at night to go meet a sex hookup? Loathsome behavior.
| by Anonymous | reply 264 | April 20, 2022 7:24 PM |
13 year olds are relieved to have their moms leave so they can jerk off
| by Anonymous | reply 265 | April 20, 2022 7:32 PM |
R265 Even worse, he was jerking off while his mother was murdered.
Therapy time!
| by Anonymous | reply 267 | April 20, 2022 7:45 PM |
R264 Well, she could have been gallivanting at midnight with her boyfriend through the streets of Paris. And then be revered nonetheless.
| by Anonymous | reply 268 | April 20, 2022 7:46 PM |
don't know what mom was up to. Don't know what dad was up to? Mom went to Lincoln Center to see a performance and afterwards headed to a neighborhood haunt for drinks. Mom was not seen with anyone at that neighborhood place but had visited several times before with a group of women.
| by Anonymous | reply 269 | April 20, 2022 7:57 PM |
It cannot be the son because of the video cameras, you twats. The cops would have arrested him because they would have clearly seen him re-enter the house. He could not have returned without one camera catching him, it isn’t possible. At a minimum, this woman lived a high-risk lifestyle for sure.
| by Anonymous | reply 270 | April 20, 2022 8:02 PM |
which video camera, twat. The cops are under pressure to solve the case and can't blow it.They can't rush it even with the pressure.
| by Anonymous | reply 271 | April 20, 2022 8:06 PM |
All of them? If they’re saying they have footage from I think 7 homes, how could the kid re-enter unseen? Not possible.
| by Anonymous | reply 272 | April 20, 2022 8:08 PM |
Yeah, the cops did a bang up job when Frank James himself called to say "I'm here. Come get me!"
| by Anonymous | reply 273 | April 20, 2022 8:09 PM |
I’m calling it now. It was Russians. Probably a Russian woman.
| by Anonymous | reply 274 | April 20, 2022 8:10 PM |
R272 And solid proof it is the kid on the video? Even if they have more images, it's not airtight evidence legally.
The kid's not going anywhere. Build your solid case then act. Work towards a confession to avoid a drawn-out expensive trial. In short, don't be a hot-headed cop and ruin the case through impulsiveness.
| by Anonymous | reply 275 | April 20, 2022 8:15 PM |
Oh thank god we can discuss this here without the hysterical fraus claiming OG is being “victim shamed”.
So the fuck WHAT if she was getting some dick on the side? I bet the husband was screwing around, too. We’re all adults who live in the real world. She wasn’t a virgin, FFS.
Anyway. I bet she was mostly friends with other Eastern Europeans. I see this in NYC. These women socialize with other American moms when they have to, but they feel most comfortable with women from their region. And that makes sense. If I moved to Paris, I’d feel a lot more natural around other Americans or Canadians.
She probably still felt like an outsider, even though she did a pretty good job of assimilating. As soon as I saw her photo, I knew she was Eastern European. Poor thing.
| by Anonymous | reply 276 | April 20, 2022 8:19 PM |
She’s was texting multiple men.
| by Anonymous | reply 277 | April 20, 2022 8:26 PM |
R277, yeah, but “just because a man’s number in your phone doesn’t mean you’re fucking him” (say the hysterical fraus). I’m sure the police read the texts and have a pretty good idea of what those relationships were; platonic or romantic or whatever.
| by Anonymous | reply 278 | April 20, 2022 8:45 PM |
cops were under pressure to get the guy who killed a jogger a few years back and blew it.
| by Anonymous | reply 279 | April 20, 2022 8:47 PM |
I wonder how long police questioned the kid before they allowed him to call his father. I wonder if it was police who notified father of mother’s death or the son in his “you get one phone call”.”
Because this is how I imagine son talking to father.
“Dad, I’m at the police station. They handcuffed me…
“DONT SAY ANOTHER WORD TO THEM. DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM. NOTHING. IM SENDING SOMEONE TO GET YOU, HE’S A LAWYER.”
Or “I’m calling Aunt Mary/ Uncle Joe” because a family like this usually has lawyer relatives.
| by Anonymous | reply 280 | April 20, 2022 9:06 PM |
We can get clear color pictures of our houses from outer space but security cameras are still in the blurry, stop-motion, black and white era.
| by Anonymous | reply 281 | April 20, 2022 9:12 PM |
I bit the bullet and listened to the first twenty minutes of Nancy Grace's podcast while I was stuck in traffic. She had the NY Post's police bureau chief on, who said the NYPD is being very tight-lipped about whether they've located the murder weapon and that they haven't seen the text messages. They're waiting for a subpoena for the actual phone; not just the phone records.
NG said that would indicate that the husband hasn't handed the phone over voluntarily. Her other guest (a defense attorney, I believe) agreed but also said they would most likely get a search warrant even if he had consented just to cover their asses in anticipation of the phone playing a part in future legal action.
| by Anonymous | reply 282 | April 20, 2022 9:15 PM |
How do they have the phone if the killer was using it? Did the killer ultimately leave it with the body?
| by Anonymous | reply 283 | April 20, 2022 9:43 PM |
Oh my gods. Id never make a good cop. So much work!
Anyway, has it been confirmed the husband was actually away in Portland. Yeah, in basic.
| by Anonymous | reply 284 | April 20, 2022 9:46 PM |
A good attorney would advise the husband to not give them his phone unless they get a warrant.
| by Anonymous | reply 285 | April 20, 2022 9:55 PM |
[quote]They're waiting for a subpoena for the actual phone; not just the phone records.
I read that the texts were sent from the victim's phone. They wouldn't need a subpoena for that. Just potential recipients, unless I'm missing something...
| by Anonymous | reply 286 | April 20, 2022 9:56 PM |
Sloppy, sloppy!
[quote]The fugitive killer who viciously stabbed Queens mom Orsolya Gaal to death inside her Forest Hills home left behind a vital clue — a pair of blood-soaked boots, a police source said Wednesday.
[quote]Police are now running DNA tests on the boots, which cops found in a trash can outside the garage of the Tudor-style home where Gaal was stabbed nearly 60 times early on Saturday, a high-ranking NYPD official told The Post.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 287 | April 20, 2022 10:03 PM |
Where is everyone seeing the actual video of the bag being dragged? I can only find the screenshot.
| by Anonymous | reply 288 | April 20, 2022 10:11 PM |
R287, I wonder what size they were, and if mens or womens boots… I still think the killer could possibly be a woman.
| by Anonymous | reply 289 | April 20, 2022 10:13 PM |
How could all of this happen with the kid not hearing nor knowing anything. Come on, use your brains.
| by Anonymous | reply 290 | April 20, 2022 10:14 PM |
Kids can be pretty fucking dense. But who would stab someone 60 times in such a small house without KNOWING for certain whether there was someone else in the house at the time. THAT is pretty damn unlikely.
| by Anonymous | reply 291 | April 20, 2022 10:19 PM |
Not many bare-footed guys on the subway at that hour.
| by Anonymous | reply 292 | April 20, 2022 10:31 PM |
Those kids look like half the kids I see in NYC. Including those dumb boots.
| by Anonymous | reply 294 | April 20, 2022 10:36 PM |
^LMAO!
If it was a woman, wearing a man’s boots and leaving them there is pretty, pretty slick.
| by Anonymous | reply 295 | April 20, 2022 10:36 PM |
R295, indeed.
Maybe it was Gaal’s boyfriend’s wife, trying to frame his ass. Women are perfectly capable of savage stabbing a. I just watched that thing about Pam Hupp and Russ Faria. There are some crazy women out there. Jodi Arias, too. Scary scary.
| by Anonymous | reply 296 | April 20, 2022 10:41 PM |
Slick as in leaving DNA in the boots?
| by Anonymous | reply 297 | April 20, 2022 10:41 PM |
My guess is that it was the other man's wife
| by Anonymous | reply 298 | April 20, 2022 10:44 PM |
Me thinks Pam Hupp pulled another one. Or is she in jail? I lost track.
| by Anonymous | reply 299 | April 20, 2022 10:51 PM |
Not much at all published about the husband's business and whether it's the sort that would attract dangerous enemies.
Recall the 2017 Sherman murders in Toronto, which somewhat astonishingly remain unsolved.
| by Anonymous | reply 300 | April 20, 2022 10:58 PM |
I think I figured it out- HUSBAND was having an affair and it was the other woman. 13 year old would not bother stabbing mother in the basement- plus I think she could over power her son. I think it would be rare for a young teenager like that to kill a parent while they were awake and fighting back AND move the body. I would have to think that unless there was a significant history of mental disorders- any normal kid even if he had snapped would be sitting in the corner freaking out, not putting their mom's body into their own duffle bag and wheeling it 4 blocks away.
| by Anonymous | reply 301 | April 20, 2022 11:00 PM |
If the killer put their boots in the trash, maybe the weird gait of the killer is because they had to take a pair from the house, and they didn't fit.
| by Anonymous | reply 302 | April 20, 2022 11:11 PM |
Orsolya Gaal IS the new Kitty Genovese! They lived 1.3 miles apart, a six minute drive.
| by Anonymous | reply 303 | April 20, 2022 11:13 PM |
The guy pulling the body (on some kind of rollers) appears to be wearing a back pack and carrying another bag.
| by Anonymous | reply 304 | April 20, 2022 11:16 PM |
R301, there are plenty of murders (stabbings) caused by a love triangle. Matricide by stabbing is less common.
I think the hoof beats are horses, not zebras.
| by Anonymous | reply 305 | April 20, 2022 11:16 PM |
That's a woman pulling the bag in the video -a woman struggling with the weight of the bag. She probably intended to take it elsewhere, but left it where she did because it was too heavy to pull any farther.
| by Anonymous | reply 306 | April 20, 2022 11:17 PM |
There should be tons of CCTV around that neighboorhood. I think the police already knew who done it.
| by Anonymous | reply 307 | April 20, 2022 11:19 PM |
How creepy that all this was going on...for hours, killer still inside the house...while the son was alone upstairs. I don't think he did it...but if not, he had no clue of the horror going on.
| by Anonymous | reply 308 | April 20, 2022 11:31 PM |
It's either a kid or a woman pulling the bag.
| by Anonymous | reply 309 | April 20, 2022 11:38 PM |
The bag was on rollers. In fact the police first described the perp as wheeling the bag.
One has to be fairly irrational thinking taking the body from the house is helpful. Why would a killer want to remove the body?
Perhaps the perp finally realized he/she didn't know what to do with the body so it was abandoned.
I'm leaning back toward the son.
| by Anonymous | reply 310 | April 20, 2022 11:52 PM |
That's a young man dragging her.
Perhaps the mom walked in on sonny and another boy having sex, a horrible altercation went down and over the next four hours the boys plotted what they were going to do with the body?
| by Anonymous | reply 311 | April 20, 2022 11:53 PM |
If the son did it, why would the police dismiss him as a suspect early on?
| by Anonymous | reply 312 | April 20, 2022 11:58 PM |
R228 And I was agreeing with you.
| by Anonymous | reply 313 | April 20, 2022 11:59 PM |
can cops interrogate an underage suspect?
| by Anonymous | reply 314 | April 21, 2022 12:02 AM |
R312 He wasn't dismissed as a suspect, just released to a relative. So very often police "know" who did it but don't have the necessary evidence for an arrest yet. The minute you met this kid you'd know if he did it, and you wouldn't have to be Sherlock Holmes.
| by Anonymous | reply 315 | April 21, 2022 12:04 AM |
R314 yes, they can. They can ask for a lawyer too. The Central Park 5 and all. They are many many studies that show that minors will confess to just about anything if they are interrogated by police- both because they are scared and with people in authority telling them to confess and because they are very impressionable and can actually start to believe they might be guilty and might not remember it etc.
| by Anonymous | reply 316 | April 21, 2022 12:04 AM |
Looks like Tom Cruise to me.
| by Anonymous | reply 317 | April 21, 2022 12:15 AM |
If the son did it the timeline makes more sense. He tried to clean up, change his clothes, etc for a few hours before heading out with the body and sending the text message.
His bloodied clothes could have been in the back pack.
| by Anonymous | reply 318 | April 21, 2022 12:16 AM |
I don’t believe the family was involved. Also, that is a man dragging the hockey bag. The gait is not that of a woman.
| by Anonymous | reply 319 | April 21, 2022 12:23 AM |
"Amateur!" hissed Kyle and Erik.
(We haven't discussed the Menendez brothers in ages. Any updates?)
| by Anonymous | reply 320 | April 21, 2022 12:25 AM |
Maybe the teen had a friend do it. He gave him the bag and some shoes and they sat around for hours deciding what to do. And maybe that teen’s dad was one of her lovers so both kids were pissed off.
| by Anonymous | reply 321 | April 21, 2022 12:30 AM |
central park 5 were innocent and dump called for their execution
| by Anonymous | reply 322 | April 21, 2022 12:34 AM |
Dragging the body out of the house makes zero sense. Somebody really stupid or a kid.
| by Anonymous | reply 323 | April 21, 2022 12:35 AM |
R323 Unless the killer wanted to spare the kid, maybe? Killer seems to have been someone she knew, someone with access. So s/he probably knew the kid was there.
| by Anonymous | reply 324 | April 21, 2022 12:38 AM |
More than 50 knife wounds on this woman. Somebody was livid.
| by Anonymous | reply 325 | April 21, 2022 12:42 AM |
I just punched a pillow 35 times before I got tired of it. I can't imagine stabbing someone 50 times (bones, resistance etc) then stuffing it into a hockey bag and dragging it? No wonder they just gave up. Exhaustion.
| by Anonymous | reply 326 | April 21, 2022 12:46 AM |
It was the kid, they just dont have all the evidence yet for an air tight case. Who would put bloody boots in the garbage can except a kid, thinking he took care of it .
| by Anonymous | reply 327 | April 21, 2022 12:48 AM |
They interviewed the bartender at the bar she was in before going home. He said she was a regular and would frequently come in by herself to have a drink. Weird.
| by Anonymous | reply 328 | April 21, 2022 12:49 AM |
R324 Why at home with a knife for a planned murder, then? A "thoughtful" assailant would've shot her on her way home. The knifing suggests an argument that went wrong, picking up a handy instrument in a rage.
Maybe Jessica will weigh in with some thoughts.
| by Anonymous | reply 329 | April 21, 2022 12:49 AM |
Supposedly, stabbing isn't that easy. Not like you see in movies. Lots of obstacles in the body.
| by Anonymous | reply 330 | April 21, 2022 12:50 AM |
[quote]I just punched a pillow 35 times before I got tired of it. I can't imagine stabbing someone 50 times (bones, resistance etc) then stuffing it into a hockey bag and dragging it? No wonder they just gave up. Exhaustion.
You didn't have the adrenaline pumping the way they did
| by Anonymous | reply 331 | April 21, 2022 12:51 AM |
The kid's age is protecting him from the release of more information.
For instance, does he have cuts on his hands? Whoever did this surely does.
| by Anonymous | reply 332 | April 21, 2022 12:56 AM |
I wonder what happens the first time you stab the person with the knife out of rage.
Do you realize then how fucked up it all is, but then you have to keep going because there's a knife in her, after all?
Maybe you're just completely blind to it all until after, and then you come to in horror?
Or, all along, you just wanted to feel the handle in your hand as the blade on the other end sliced her open?
| by Anonymous | reply 333 | April 21, 2022 1:18 AM |
R332 Of course. Otherwise reporters would be out interviewing his neighbors and classmates.
| by Anonymous | reply 334 | April 21, 2022 1:22 AM |
There’s an old expression “seeing red” which I think applies to this situation.
The killer was such in a rage, he gave way to extreme anger
| by Anonymous | reply 335 | April 21, 2022 1:38 AM |
R335 Which on the one hand suggests a young teen who confronts his mother about cheating on dad and it all quickly gets out of hand.
But on the other hand, could an enraged teen who'd just killed his mother pick up her phone and send that coherent SMS?
| by Anonymous | reply 336 | April 21, 2022 1:43 AM |
Had my eye on the gal next door but she looked too big to get into a bag, and then this one showed up.
Serendipity, I guess.
| by Anonymous | reply 337 | April 21, 2022 1:44 AM |
Once that anger is satisfied, the brain starts to go back to calm/normal.
Hence, that dumb ass text from the dead woman’s phone to the husband
| by Anonymous | reply 338 | April 21, 2022 1:46 AM |
The Bali matricide -- where the daughter and bf somehow thought they could check out of their hotel and head to the airport with a big suitcase seeping of mom's remains without being noticed -- should warn anyone off of trying to make too much sense of whatever happened.
| by Anonymous | reply 339 | April 21, 2022 1:50 AM |
[quote] There’s an old expression “seeing red”
I’ve posted this before, but my boss tried to kill me and her eyes were literally rimmed with red and her eyes looked like shark eyes. She was out of her mind with rage.
| by Anonymous | reply 340 | April 21, 2022 1:57 AM |
The only motive I can see to remove the body from the house is to try to absolve any one in the house of the crime. The only one there was the kid.
If the ex bf did it would he not have a car? Why would he remove the body and drag it around?
| by Anonymous | reply 341 | April 21, 2022 1:58 AM |
R340 you might have posted it before, but I want details (sorry that happened . . . but can I still have details?)
| by Anonymous | reply 342 | April 21, 2022 2:04 AM |
Where is Gladys Kravitz when we need her?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 343 | April 21, 2022 2:07 AM |
The video looks like a teen or possibly woman, but did anyone else notice they appear to be carrying a large travel mug or slurped? Balls baby!
I think the kid did it, and they’re putting a case together to make sure it sticks. One staff could’ve taken her out of commission for those of you mentioning fighting back. Can you imagine your child stabbing you? She must’ve been in shock. Maybe she was drunk? And what about when the kid woke up in the morning and no but he was there he’s only 13… was he worried or contact his other parent? The fact police found him upstairs in his bedroom is weird, like he lives in his own world. Wouldn’t the father be checking on the kid and mother while he’s out of town by phone at least? And if it was not the kid. The killer stayed in the house for hours maybe not knowing there’s a kid upstairs? He was in no rush
| by Anonymous | reply 344 | April 21, 2022 2:10 AM |
Why is everyone counting out the handyman?
| by Anonymous | reply 345 | April 21, 2022 2:18 AM |
I think it’s the Handyman .
He was enraged she was fucking other guys, dumping him or a combo of both
| by Anonymous | reply 347 | April 21, 2022 2:21 AM |
R345 Motive?
Maybe we'll find she was heavily insured and that dad's business was in trouble. And he was fed up being cuckolded. So many twists possible.
| by Anonymous | reply 348 | April 21, 2022 2:22 AM |
Why would the handyman remove the body and drag it around? Makes no sense.
| by Anonymous | reply 349 | April 21, 2022 2:25 AM |
I fix broken hearts, but I’ll also stab you with a knife if you cross mei.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 350 | April 21, 2022 2:26 AM |
Are we sure the husband was out of town?
| by Anonymous | reply 351 | April 21, 2022 2:27 AM |
Every pattern of evidence in this crime indicates it was someone who lived in the house.
| by Anonymous | reply 352 | April 21, 2022 2:29 AM |
Whoever killed her: knew the dad and older son were out of state and not returning that night AND that the young son was upstairs (and managed to keep a fit of rage murder so quiet that the son never comes downstairs) AND took their sweet time with the body afterwards AND apparently has the physique of a teen boy. HOW IS IT NOT THE SON?!
| by Anonymous | reply 353 | April 21, 2022 2:29 AM |
I think it was the son, too, and the police are putting together the case because the kid probably lawyered up immediately. Anyone else just doesn’t make sense. And a hit man is the least likely. Unless it’s the stupidest, most desperate hit man on the planet who also had all the time in the world to hang out at the house.
| by Anonymous | reply 354 | April 21, 2022 2:32 AM |
We don’t know who is reporting handyman and sex on side..I sense it’s red herring, or fantastic. Kid may be mentally ill ish and authorities are proceeding with caution on charges and arrest. She seemed lonely and sad with fake boobs, surgery, etc. Why would the “handy man” bother with ruse of texts threatening family.
| by Anonymous | reply 355 | April 21, 2022 2:35 AM |
If you look carefully at the video, it looks like the person is holding an object at their stomach (similar to a mug cradler?) and then do I see….a backpack? Is that a backpack or no? I need to know.
| by Anonymous | reply 356 | April 21, 2022 2:41 AM |
[quote]My guess is that it was the other man's wife
If the lover's wife is also E. European, definitely.
| by Anonymous | reply 357 | April 21, 2022 2:44 AM |
From the text: "your whole family" sounds juvenile as well.
| by Anonymous | reply 358 | April 21, 2022 2:49 AM |
[quote]Is that a backpack or no?
The security-camera footage in this video looks clearer than what I've seen on news sites. If you go to 2:00, it looks exactly like a small backpack on the person's left shoulder.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 359 | April 21, 2022 2:50 AM |
Most likely the 13 YO son. Getting the body as far away from the house as possible would only be wanted by someone who lives there.
| by Anonymous | reply 360 | April 21, 2022 2:53 AM |
R357, that’s what I’m saying! She might have had some American friends, but I think she was only truly close to people who are also strangers in a strange land. The cultures are really different. I have some friends from other countries and they are baffled by Americans. I live in New York and probably at least a quarter of the people I know are from another country; from the building porter to the professor next door. It’s quite an interesting thing, actually. Immigrants/expats really tend to gravitate toward each other and bond.
If she were having an affair, it would make sense if it were another immigrant, not some stupid American.
| by Anonymous | reply 361 | April 21, 2022 2:55 AM |
Size and type of the boots would be a dead giveaway if it's the son.
| by Anonymous | reply 362 | April 21, 2022 2:59 AM |
It was the son. There is no point in someone who doesn't live in the house to take the body with them and potentially get caught with a trail of blood behind them.
| by Anonymous | reply 363 | April 21, 2022 3:01 AM |
Thanks for the higher quality video. Looks like a teenager and not a woman to me. Loping along at a peppy clip. I would be way too exhausted after all that. Why would anyone go to the trouble of removing the body from the home? From the family photos, the older one would’ve been my guess. The younger one has such a sweet look on his face. You never know
| by Anonymous | reply 364 | April 21, 2022 3:02 AM |
The gait is slightly “hoppy” which indicates a woman or young person but it doesn’t look to me as though the murderer is struggling with the bag. Whoever it is has a lean body/long legs.
| by Anonymous | reply 365 | April 21, 2022 3:04 AM |
If it was the son, for everyone asking how he could have over powered her, all it takes is one stab to the stomach to bring her into submission. With all that adrenaline from the attack, she could have had enough gas left to try to fight him off. Also they are saying she was killed around 12.40am, and the footage of the killer was at around 4am. Enough time to process what happened, and make a half assed plan.
| by Anonymous | reply 366 | April 21, 2022 3:05 AM |
R359, wow!!! It really is a backpack! What do you think is the object in front?
| by Anonymous | reply 367 | April 21, 2022 3:06 AM |
Someone said this somewhere (probably here): a lot of these photos look like online dating photos. And now I can’t unsee it.
Also, there’s a photo of her taken on Roosevelt Island. Why the hell is she there, taking a selfie? Who the hell goes there unless they absolutely have to, or live there?
| by Anonymous | reply 368 | April 21, 2022 3:07 AM |
Again: Why would someone who doesn't live in the house, remove the body from the house and potentially get caught? Evidence of the killing is still at the house. No one living outside of the home would have any reason to go through the insanity of actually removing the body from the home when you didn't live in that home.
| by Anonymous | reply 369 | April 21, 2022 3:07 AM |
I think the son obviously knew why she went out and it infuriated him, and when she came home, they fought and he had had enough of his cheating mom. Adultery affects kids, too. It undoubtedly did a number on him mentally to watch his mom cheat on his dad, esp. to leave him alone to go cheat on his dad. And at that age, the hormones are raging.
| by Anonymous | reply 370 | April 21, 2022 3:11 AM |
Removing the body from the house makes sense if the murderer was returning to the house, hence the son did it. He needed to distance himself from the body, also the horror of being in the home with his dead mother. Anyone one else would have fled and left the body where she was murdered.
| by Anonymous | reply 371 | April 21, 2022 3:13 AM |
Is he holding a skateboard? For transportation back?
| by Anonymous | reply 372 | April 21, 2022 3:15 AM |
She had a really wonky eye tooth.
| by Anonymous | reply 373 | April 21, 2022 3:19 AM |
What are the chances of this kid being charged as an adult? Imagine your life being over at 13.
| by Anonymous | reply 374 | April 21, 2022 3:29 AM |
Well, if he was having his Bar Mitzvah, then he's a man under Jewish law, so he should be charged as an adult.
| by Anonymous | reply 375 | April 21, 2022 3:35 AM |
If you revisit this article and scroll down to the pic of the kid being led away by cops is there anything to be gleaned? It seems the hair around his face looks similar to the cctv film. ,
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 376 | April 21, 2022 3:36 AM |
R374 There have been these occasional stories of teenage killers who go on to respected normal adult lives. Think Laura Bush, for example.
| by Anonymous | reply 377 | April 21, 2022 3:36 AM |
Good spotting, R372.
It looks like he has a skateboard tucked in the crook of his left arm. He probably needed to use both hands to keep that heavy bag lifted up to haul away. Maybe he thought the skateboard would make it easier to transport the body? Wrong, junior.
It's the 13 year old for sure, imo. The height of the murderer compared to the bushes and parked car, as well as his slender build screams juvenile, not adult.
| by Anonymous | reply 378 | April 21, 2022 3:36 AM |
So is DL now in agreement? Have you bitches reached a verdict: The son did it?
| by Anonymous | reply 379 | April 21, 2022 3:40 AM |
The person dragging the body is clearly a nonbinary freedom fighter who was triggered by the woman's cisgendered privilege.
Of course you bigoted fags would miss the glaringly obvious.
| by Anonymous | reply 380 | April 21, 2022 3:45 AM |
R376, in that photo I can see red marks on the kid’s arm. Also in another photo where his head wasn’t blurred out, it looked as though his hair was still damp from a shower. Or maybe it was greasy from being a 13-year old boy.
| by Anonymous | reply 381 | April 21, 2022 3:46 AM |
R379 yep, thought it might be the handyman, but the clear video at r359 looks like a young person’s gait
| by Anonymous | reply 382 | April 21, 2022 3:47 AM |
R379, I’m still not able to decide. Either handyman’s Eastern European Gf/wife or the kid. Statistics heavily in favor of a love triangle murder, but the circumstances point to the kid.
| by Anonymous | reply 383 | April 21, 2022 3:56 AM |
Has this been posted yet?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 384 | April 21, 2022 4:20 AM |
I just heard a news report mention that the cops estimate the time of her murder was shortly after she returned home at 12:30 . How they would know this, I don't know.
But if true, that would mean the killer stayed with the body for at least 3 hours. In my mind that points to the son.
| by Anonymous | reply 385 | April 21, 2022 5:03 AM |
Someone on Websleuths said:
[quote] This whole thing makes perfect sense if you're talking about the younger child committing it, and zero sense if the killer is an adult outsider.
I tend to agree.
| by Anonymous | reply 386 | April 21, 2022 6:38 AM |
[quote]Unless the killer wanted to spare the kid, maybe? Killer seems to have been someone she knew, someone with access. So s/he probably knew the kid was there.
No. Way too risky to just leave him there while all that violent commotion is going on. He'd have to assume anyone who heard it would call the cops.
| by Anonymous | reply 387 | April 21, 2022 8:24 AM |
LE must have hard evidence to rule out the kid definitively. Too high risk to release a violent criminal---one who would be a danger to himself and/or others.
| by Anonymous | reply 388 | April 21, 2022 8:51 AM |
As of know it is not known whether LE has completely ruled out the kid. He was questioned and released, that's not the same as "no longer a suspect or person of interest".
| by Anonymous | reply 389 | April 21, 2022 8:53 AM |
[Quote]I’ve posted this before, but my boss tried to kill me and her eyes were literally rimmed with red and her eyes looked like shark eyes. She was out of her mind with rage.
Can you explain? Why, wtf and what happene?
| by Anonymous | reply 390 | April 21, 2022 8:54 AM |
Lemme guess, the duffel bag belonged to the family. Is this going to turn into the ridiculous Ramsey or OJ shit? Anyone with more than a single brain cell can tell where this story is headed. The most logical explanation is usually the correct one.
| by Anonymous | reply 391 | April 21, 2022 8:56 AM |
R389. They ruled him out quickly. If LE knew he did it, why would they release such a potentially violent criminal who could easily go on another rampage?
| by Anonymous | reply 392 | April 21, 2022 8:57 AM |
I don't think k this was her Son. I think she had probably been meeting men other than her Husband for a while. Her prior Facebook photos show that she had changed her appearance somewhat, over the last 5 or so years, and the pictures she'd posted since then, look like dating app pbotos. She went to a local bar alone after an evening out with friends. She came home alone. Then someone shows up. If you look at what information has been released, its clear that they have a few suspects, because of her online and other activities. She went missing a few years back, and the Husband was panicked enough to call the cops. She had company, and it cost her, her life.
| by Anonymous | reply 393 | April 21, 2022 8:58 AM |
So the husband won't let the cops access hid phone. Why mot? Did Junior incriminate himself?
| by Anonymous | reply 394 | April 21, 2022 10:16 AM |
Oops! Excuse my typos: "his" "not".
| by Anonymous | reply 395 | April 21, 2022 10:18 AM |
The "went missing" part, that allegedly transpired two years ago, is very interesting. Something tells me all wasn't well in that family.
| by Anonymous | reply 396 | April 21, 2022 10:32 AM |
R353...Yeah, sometimes a nosy neighbor is a good thing.
| by Anonymous | reply 397 | April 21, 2022 11:25 AM |
Oops...that was for R343^^
| by Anonymous | reply 398 | April 21, 2022 11:26 AM |
I think age 13 is still a little too young to leave alone in the house at night. I don't have kids....so I may be off base on this, but it's sort of on the edge....leave alone or not. I think age 15 you can do that.
| by Anonymous | reply 399 | April 21, 2022 11:31 AM |
R399. I used to babysit small children at 13. No adults around. Probably not such a great idea now, in hindsight. I wouldn't have really known what to do in an emergency.
| by Anonymous | reply 400 | April 21, 2022 11:46 AM |
Could the kid have been abusing bath salts? I've heard some crazy stories about herculean strength and barbaric acts of violence from psychoactive drugs. People can go completely batshit from that stuff.
| by Anonymous | reply 401 | April 21, 2022 11:54 AM |
R359...That's the first time I've seen the live video of the perp pulling the bag. He/she does look on the small side....like a juvenile or a woman?....or it could be a small man. Yes, I see the large drinking cup being held. I guess it was holding Red Bull, given the early hours..lol. I wish I could understand what was said on the video...in Russian. CC only gives Russian subtitles. We do see a little more here...thanks.
| by Anonymous | reply 402 | April 21, 2022 11:56 AM |
Could be R401.. you never know.
| by Anonymous | reply 403 | April 21, 2022 12:00 PM |
Interestingly, on the timeline above, it mentions the son was at home Friday into Saturday without leaving.
Then that the assailant came to the home that night.
Is this signalling these are two separate individuals I wonder?
| by Anonymous | reply 404 | April 21, 2022 12:02 PM |
This case is so odd. There are a lot of potential suspects. The husband authorizing a hit (unlikely imo), the three or four men she was in contact with, any of the significant others of those men, a woman involved with her own husband theoretically, apparently the older son's girlfriend (not sure what the story is here, but several people have mentioned her on other sites), a random mentally deranged person. But I keep coming back to the 13-year-old. That seems like the best fit for the bizarre details of this crime.
| by Anonymous | reply 405 | April 21, 2022 12:04 PM |
1) The woman was killed inside her home.
2) The only other person police know for sure was also in the home at that time is the youngest son..
3) Therefore there's no fucking way police have dismissed him as a suspect. They just didn't have enough evidence to book him. Yet.
| by Anonymous | reply 406 | April 21, 2022 12:06 PM |
Could the son who was home have gotten someone to come over and attack the mother?
| by Anonymous | reply 408 | April 21, 2022 12:15 PM |
Daddy has not released statement on loss of wife’s death or help in finding the murderer ? Shouldn’t they be trotting that out? It would make the kid seem sympathetic. I think they are in circle the wagons mode here.
| by Anonymous | reply 409 | April 21, 2022 12:23 PM |
It's possible, R408 — and I bet police have obtained all the footage from each and every doorbell and security cam in the vicinity, just to analyse who came and went.
Interestingly, she was murdered on the first floor (ground floor), but apparently dragged down into the basement. Not sure if she was already dead by then.
OG entered the house through the side door, as she always did, went upstairs, and… was immediately or very shortly after attacked.
Ground floor… kitchen and knives nearby… A heated discussion with her son? Reprimanding him for still being up and playing video games? Or him telling her to stop seeing other men? The argument escalates, and in red fury the son stabs her mother 58 times?
Then he panics, brings her down to the basement. What to do? Sitting there for hours next to the corpse of his slain mother. In shock and confusion, he stuffs her in his hockey bag, and off he goes.
Could be… Could be…
| by Anonymous | reply 410 | April 21, 2022 12:24 PM |
R408 I would say it's possible. Maybe, he got a friend to attack. The person on the surveillance video looks like a teen..
| by Anonymous | reply 411 | April 21, 2022 12:25 PM |
Oh shit, it's getting good now.
| by Anonymous | reply 413 | April 21, 2022 12:31 PM |
[quote] Suspect in custody is described as a handyman who lived near Gaal. LE sources say he showed up the Gaal's home ... the two had an argument and he allegedly killed her in the basement.
Well shit…
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 414 | April 21, 2022 12:34 PM |
Maybe it was to be another Murdaugh murders and something went wrong where the youngest son wasn’t killed too? Most likely being that the killer was on foot and could drag off both bodies, or had a change of consciousness about killing a child? Is there the possibility that the killer was injured him or her self in the murder and that why they may have been walking in a particular way? Have they said there were two blood types at the crime scene? Might the killer needed all that time to “recover” enough from their injuries and that’s why they left hours later? Might some of the blood trail been their own?
| by Anonymous | reply 415 | April 21, 2022 12:37 PM |
R415 the handyman did it and has been taken into custody. Wasn't it alleged that she had an affair with the handyman?
| by Anonymous | reply 416 | April 21, 2022 12:43 PM |
[quote]Anyway. I bet she was mostly friends with other Eastern Europeans. I see this in NYC. These women socialize with other American moms when they have to, but they feel most comfortable with women from their region.
I live in Forest Hills and I can confirm that this is absolutely 100% true. If you see two or more women walking down the sidewalk towards you and you even remotely suspect that they're Eastern European, then you can be 99.9999% sure that when you pass them you will hear them speaking a foreign language like Russian or Polish.
| by Anonymous | reply 417 | April 21, 2022 12:43 PM |
The question remains: Is the handyman hot?
| by Anonymous | reply 418 | April 21, 2022 1:01 PM |
TV stations reporting guy in custody.. Press conference this afternoon
| by Anonymous | reply 419 | April 21, 2022 1:04 PM |
Wow...this is getting good.
| by Anonymous | reply 420 | April 21, 2022 1:06 PM |
Handyman's name is David Bonola....age 44.
| by Anonymous | reply 421 | April 21, 2022 1:09 PM |
He gave a full confession under his arrest..^^
| by Anonymous | reply 422 | April 21, 2022 1:10 PM |
The New York Post has the news.
| by Anonymous | reply 423 | April 21, 2022 1:11 PM |
Last night I asked why people were counting out the handyman...some thought that only a young person could be so messy and clumsy. Maybe he is low IQ. I can't wait to see what he looks like.
| by Anonymous | reply 424 | April 21, 2022 1:15 PM |
I'm willing to bet the guy's missing a few marbles.
| by Anonymous | reply 425 | April 21, 2022 1:16 PM |
I'm glad it wasn't the son.
| by Anonymous | reply 427 | April 21, 2022 1:20 PM |
CBS and other sources are now referring to him as her "boyfriend." Wow.
| by Anonymous | reply 429 | April 21, 2022 1:23 PM |
This is the mug shot of the handyman boyfriend murderer, David Bonola.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 430 | April 21, 2022 1:29 PM |
I admit I thought it was the kid. In the video his appearance didn't scream adult male handyman. Some Hispanic men are pretty small but there was something youthful about the figure too. If you look at her facebook profile, he used to like her photos a lot and leave comments in Spanish about how beautiful she is etc. I'm surprised they left these comments up if they actually began an affair, unless the husband was okay with it. Before r429's post I figured it was just that he probably had some obsession with her, and she rejected him and he lost it that night. Sad nevertheless.
| by Anonymous | reply 431 | April 21, 2022 1:30 PM |
He's 44? Hell...he looks like he's in his 60s.
| by Anonymous | reply 434 | April 21, 2022 1:33 PM |
Pawpaw’s aging in dog years
| by Anonymous | reply 435 | April 21, 2022 1:34 PM |
When the cops questioned the son they let him off immediately. When someone is sincere they usually know it.
| by Anonymous | reply 436 | April 21, 2022 1:35 PM |
R430 is confusing his murderers. His pic is not Bonolo.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 437 | April 21, 2022 1:36 PM |
R430, The Sun screwed up, that is not David Bonola. That is a suspect in a similar type murder.
| by Anonymous | reply 438 | April 21, 2022 1:36 PM |
Another day, another bitch getting herself chopped up. Hard to keep them all straight.
| by Anonymous | reply 439 | April 21, 2022 1:38 PM |
The Sun didn't screw up. R430 did.
| by Anonymous | reply 440 | April 21, 2022 1:39 PM |
I was really starting to get convinced it must be the kid after reading all the comments on this board!
| by Anonymous | reply 441 | April 21, 2022 1:40 PM |
The writers for the new Law & Order must be scribbling away.
| by Anonymous | reply 442 | April 21, 2022 1:41 PM |
R440, The Sun posted that photo along with the caption "Who is David Bonola?".
The Sun screwed up, moron.
| by Anonymous | reply 443 | April 21, 2022 1:42 PM |
[quote] If LE knew he did it, why would they release such a potentially violent criminal who could easily go on another rampage?
1) Because it’s early on in the investigation and the cops don’t have enough evidence to arrest him
2) The father immediately told the kid to keep his mouth shut until a lawyer got there.
3) The lawyer walked in and said, “Officers, is my client under arrest? Didn’t think so. Please release him to my custody until his father arrives home.”
4) Police have no right to keep him. Even if the kid flat out confessed police would let him go because he’s 13 & didn’t have a lawyer there when he confessed, so fear and coercion of a minor would’ve been used as defense. “Your honor my client is a child and had PTSD when told his mother was dead. He was confused, grief-stricken and had no family at the scene to comfort him. His state of mind was altered by events.”
Cops say “Better to gather video and DNA evidence. Better to look at this kid’s internet and phone history. Build a solid case.”
| by Anonymous | reply 444 | April 21, 2022 1:42 PM |
[quote] Klein — the founder of RK Equity Advisors — a boutique capital markets advisory firm focused on lithium-ion battery materials
What does that even mean?
| by Anonymous | reply 445 | April 21, 2022 1:46 PM |
He may have lived in the basement at one time….
| by Anonymous | reply 446 | April 21, 2022 1:46 PM |
R443 I saw that too, but it only appears on the image-search page. When you click on the actual article it's not there. The Sun does this to get clicks. There's another Sun image link for this story that features John Wayne Gacy.
| by Anonymous | reply 447 | April 21, 2022 1:48 PM |
If he lived there - even part time - it would explain why he wanted to get the body as far away from the house as possible. A stranger or someone she picked up in a bar would have zero motive to go to the enormous trouble of packing it up and hauling it down the street.
| by Anonymous | reply 448 | April 21, 2022 1:50 PM |
He posted a Guatemalan flag on one of his comments Didn't she travel to Guatemala as well?
Did her husband know she was fucking the handyman? The kids?
I'm going to bet he doesn't look like Jesse Metcalfe...hope that dick was worth it
| by Anonymous | reply 449 | April 21, 2022 1:52 PM |
R447...I saw that with John Wayne Gacy. The Sun is a tacky source...getting clicks any way possible.
| by Anonymous | reply 450 | April 21, 2022 1:52 PM |
So, what was meant with that text to the husband about the wife sending the handyman to jail?
| by Anonymous | reply 451 | April 21, 2022 1:55 PM |
Maybe, even with the affair...the handyman wasn't living up to his contractural obligations on work done on their house....and they threatened to take legal action.
| by Anonymous | reply 452 | April 21, 2022 1:59 PM |
...or they had something illegal on him.
| by Anonymous | reply 453 | April 21, 2022 2:01 PM |
I'm glad it wasn't the kid. As terrible as this all is, it'd be 1000x worse if it had been the son.
| by Anonymous | reply 454 | April 21, 2022 2:03 PM |
R451 R452 You'd think that there would be some reports about prior arrests (and certainly convictions/incarcerations) in all the reports. It was such a violent, dramatic crime of passion that I almost wonder whether he wasn't referring to the certain prison term he's going to get now... As in.. "SHE MADE ME DO IT!" And the whole family is doomed because if he can't have her, nobody can. She may have told him that she wouldn't leave her family for him. Or maybe it was just some ridiculous, silly attempt to throw them off his trail.
| by Anonymous | reply 455 | April 21, 2022 2:04 PM |
They arrested the handyman
| by Anonymous | reply 456 | April 21, 2022 2:04 PM |
What did the husband do for a living?
| by Anonymous | reply 458 | April 21, 2022 2:05 PM |
R455... You may have something there...
| by Anonymous | reply 459 | April 21, 2022 2:06 PM |
Thanks for the update, Rose at R456.
| by Anonymous | reply 460 | April 21, 2022 2:06 PM |
...Sort of like a "fatal attraction" situation..
| by Anonymous | reply 461 | April 21, 2022 2:07 PM |
People on social media are ridiculously posting images of every poor, hapless David Bonola in New York State.
| by Anonymous | reply 462 | April 21, 2022 2:08 PM |
I saw someone on Twitter post a photo of Slash saying it was Bonola, because Bonola had used a photo of Slash for his FB avatar.
| by Anonymous | reply 464 | April 21, 2022 2:11 PM |
Didn't the text to the husband say, "Your wife sent me to jail. I'm back. Your whole family is at risk."?
| by Anonymous | reply 465 | April 21, 2022 2:12 PM |
So far...a man in his 60s (guy is 44), John Wayne Gacy...and now Slash..lol. Soon we'll get the real mugshot.
| by Anonymous | reply 466 | April 21, 2022 2:13 PM |
R465 I forgot about that "I'm back" part. They'd better clear that text business up for us.
| by Anonymous | reply 467 | April 21, 2022 2:15 PM |
This reporter is waiting for Bonola to get walked into the precinct, so I'm hopeful we'll get a real photo soon.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 468 | April 21, 2022 2:15 PM |
R468 Shit! I'm on deadline here and I'm just glued to that Twitter feed waiting for the perp walk!
| by Anonymous | reply 469 | April 21, 2022 2:17 PM |
He commented on her FB page a year ago!!!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 470 | April 21, 2022 2:24 PM |
R470 And she "liked" the comment and he "loved" it.
| by Anonymous | reply 472 | April 21, 2022 2:27 PM |
R471 Just tried it. Works for me when I'm logged into my FB account; not when I log out.
| by Anonymous | reply 473 | April 21, 2022 2:31 PM |
I'm picturing a Danny Pelosi type guy, the construction worker involved in the Ted Ammon murder.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 474 | April 21, 2022 2:37 PM |
Felt so sorry for the 13 yr old son - handcuffed and suspected of killing his own mother. That must've been so traumatic.
| by Anonymous | reply 475 | April 21, 2022 2:42 PM |
[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 476 | April 21, 2022 2:43 PM |
Wow, she really was a slut. Seems like she was fucking one who gave her attention.
| by Anonymous | reply 477 | April 21, 2022 2:49 PM |
r8 please, it was the lesbian lover that thought she might have autism.
| by Anonymous | reply 479 | April 21, 2022 2:51 PM |
One of his two FB accounts had only one post, where he posted "02 28 2000 one of my first scripts🎬💌🎥🧛♂️👰🏻💍🎼🎸🎹Monaco🇫🇷" with a photo of Slash from Slash's own wedding.
I kind of wondered if we'd find out that he looked like Slash, too. Very weird.
| by Anonymous | reply 480 | April 21, 2022 2:55 PM |
Resembles the Los Angles Night Stalker Richard Ramirez ca. 1985.
| by Anonymous | reply 482 | April 21, 2022 2:58 PM |
I see him as a very macho type, with a huge male ego....who doesn't like women rejecting him and doesn't take it well. He is the alpha in a relationship. He's either Italian or Hispanic.
| by Anonymous | reply 483 | April 21, 2022 2:59 PM |
That seems like a vintage photo to me.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 485 | April 21, 2022 3:00 PM |
and then there's this one…
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 486 | April 21, 2022 3:00 PM |
Leave it to the Daily Fail to be right on it with photos. He looks like how I would picture him.
| by Anonymous | reply 487 | April 21, 2022 3:00 PM |
She definitely was slumming with this guy...
| by Anonymous | reply 488 | April 21, 2022 3:02 PM |
The photo of him sitting next to that fire hydrant makes him look short, and kind of jibes with that surveillance video. I guess he provided the raunchy, "macho" rock'n roll "bad guy" counterpart to her safe, bankerish husband. The family now has to live with this mess. I cannot even fathom the complicated emotions.
| by Anonymous | reply 489 | April 21, 2022 3:04 PM |
He probably ate pussy like a champ, unlike the seemingly boring husband.
| by Anonymous | reply 490 | April 21, 2022 3:06 PM |
She looked so classy and ladylike...she definitely stepped out..
| by Anonymous | reply 491 | April 21, 2022 3:07 PM |
Welps, I was wrong about the kid. Mea culpa.
| by Anonymous | reply 492 | April 21, 2022 3:08 PM |
Never fornicate with the help.
| by Anonymous | reply 494 | April 21, 2022 3:10 PM |
guessing thick, stubby, uncut.
| by Anonymous | reply 498 | April 21, 2022 3:32 PM |
He has a nice head of hair.
| by Anonymous | reply 499 | April 21, 2022 3:34 PM |
For a guy on his forties, he has a great head of hair.
| by Anonymous | reply 500 | April 21, 2022 3:34 PM |
Ok- now it seems REALLY outrageous that they led away the 13 year old in handcuffs. (1) totally unnecessary even if he was a suspect, (2) MOTHER DEAD in basement- just on the OFF chance he hadn't done it err on the side of no handcuffs, (3) kid was alone, father traveling mother dead and they handcuff him? I would be out of my mind with anger at the police for that as his father- and as his mother I would be haunting the shit out of the police officer who made that call.
Talk about making a trauma worse.
| by Anonymous | reply 501 | April 21, 2022 3:40 PM |
He seems short. As most Guatemalans are. Anyone know about the pingas?
| by Anonymous | reply 502 | April 21, 2022 3:41 PM |
Pingas? Is that what he called her hoo-ha?
| by Anonymous | reply 503 | April 21, 2022 3:44 PM |
Have they published his recipe for guacamole yet?
| by Anonymous | reply 504 | April 21, 2022 3:45 PM |
"Dragging the body out of the house makes zero sense. Somebody really stupid or a kid."
Most criminal aren't masterminds, and lots of crime is done impulsively. It might make sense in that light. Criminals get caught - a lot - because they make stupid moves that from the outside don't make sense.
| by Anonymous | reply 505 | April 21, 2022 3:45 PM |
R501 That kid will also be plagued with guilt his entire life.
| by Anonymous | reply 506 | April 21, 2022 3:46 PM |
[quote] She looked so classy and ladylike...
She looked a step above the usual Eastern European woman. Definitely of the more refined variety. I know a few who are chic with elevated personal style; interestingly they are Serbian/Croatian. They tend to go with more natural hair/makeup and simple modest clothing. The bleached hair and eyebrows (and makeup) give her away.
| by Anonymous | reply 507 | April 21, 2022 3:49 PM |
"What are the chances of this kid being charged as an adult? Imagine your life being over at 13."
It's over, and deservedly so, even if he's not charged as an adult.
| by Anonymous | reply 508 | April 21, 2022 4:29 PM |
"It's over, and deservedly so, even if he's not charged as an adult. "
I guess I should have wrote "it would have been over, and deservedly so, if he did it, even if he wasn't charged as an adult."
| by Anonymous | reply 509 | April 21, 2022 4:31 PM |
THEY CAUGHT HIM AND HE’S HAWT!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 510 | April 21, 2022 4:31 PM |
"BEARKING - SLASH IMPERSONATOR LOSES HIS 'PATIENCE' AND LOVER IS LEFT 'KNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOOR'."
| by Anonymous | reply 511 | April 21, 2022 4:38 PM |
"Wow, she really was a slut. Seems like she was fucking one who gave her attention."
She'd fit in with the gays.
| by Anonymous | reply 512 | April 21, 2022 4:43 PM |
Bored married women will fuck anything!
| by Anonymous | reply 513 | April 21, 2022 4:45 PM |
The criminally violent make passionate lovers.
| by Anonymous | reply 514 | April 21, 2022 4:56 PM |
Well, that’s his real hair. He’s not bad looking. Bet he’s hung like a rhinoceros and fucks like a machine. Damn!
| by Anonymous | reply 516 | April 21, 2022 7:07 PM |
Victim got dick-a-matized… TO DEATH
| by Anonymous | reply 517 | April 21, 2022 7:08 PM |
Dicks always look bigger on shorties.
| by Anonymous | reply 518 | April 21, 2022 7:10 PM |
He has BDF. My ex was short and similar built and had a big dick. Yes, I know everyone is different, but wouldn’t be surprised if he had a big one and was a wild fuck.
| by Anonymous | reply 519 | April 21, 2022 7:11 PM |
R507 Hungarians consider themselves Central European like Austrians and Czechs, not Eastern European like Romanians and Bulgarians.
| by Anonymous | reply 521 | April 21, 2022 7:17 PM |
"He's not bad looking."
You're either blind or have had an unfortunate love life.
| by Anonymous | reply 522 | April 21, 2022 7:19 PM |
Eh...not so hot for me, but he does have great, thick hair.
| by Anonymous | reply 524 | April 21, 2022 7:20 PM |
Oh FUCK me David!! FUCK me!!!! FUCK MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-OOOOOWWWW-EEEEOOOOAAAHHH-eeeeiiiiiiii-RRREEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!
| by Anonymous | reply 525 | April 21, 2022 7:24 PM |
I want to know what's what on the house sale. Does the family get full price? It'll have to be knocked down (razed), yeah?
| by Anonymous | reply 528 | April 21, 2022 8:30 PM |
[quote]The bleached hair and eyebrows (and makeup) give her away.
Uh, what?
| by Anonymous | reply 529 | April 21, 2022 9:27 PM |
Bonola is a Mexican name. More immigrant crime ?
| by Anonymous | reply 530 | April 21, 2022 10:08 PM |
^Don't say I didn't warn you.
| by Anonymous | reply 531 | April 21, 2022 10:10 PM |
I thought I was done with this, but David Muir just told me that the handyman was married, with two children.
| by Anonymous | reply 532 | April 21, 2022 10:49 PM |
People have always known about handymen
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 533 | April 21, 2022 10:54 PM |
"Two-year affair." More salacious details are on the way.
My money is on a cuck and bull situation. Both cuck and wife got off on him watching her get fucked by rough trade. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a clandestine Xvideos or Pornhub page.
This is increasingly trendy among middle-aged couples, and they just look like the type. Her recent makeover is also very blonde porn MILF.
| by Anonymous | reply 534 | April 21, 2022 10:56 PM |
Nah, I think they probably just have an open marriage. The husband doesn’t give a fuck, and has a side piece too. Divorce is expensive, and they have kids at home. Easier just to look the other way.
| by Anonymous | reply 535 | April 21, 2022 10:58 PM |
The fraus at websleuths say that he left a note on the refrigerator.
| by Anonymous | reply 536 | April 21, 2022 11:00 PM |
When SVU does this episode, they better set it in Forest Hills. I want to see more of those cute little houses.
That hot new Latino detective can interview horny housewife neighbors and uncover an unseemly den of kinky sex and lies!
| by Anonymous | reply 537 | April 21, 2022 11:00 PM |
Bonola came from Mexico 21 years ago, Married with two kids.
| by Anonymous | reply 538 | April 21, 2022 11:01 PM |
This deserves a movie. I'd start a "Let's Cast 'Handyman' [or whatever we might call it] the movie" thread, but there's really not a lot of characters.
Elliot Page would definitely be the son.
| by Anonymous | reply 539 | April 21, 2022 11:01 PM |
Asshole wasn't finished tiling my bathroom.
| by Anonymous | reply 540 | April 21, 2022 11:32 PM |
what is with this cuck bullshit?
| by Anonymous | reply 541 | April 21, 2022 11:38 PM |
I hate the word cuck with a fucking burning passion.
| by Anonymous | reply 542 | April 21, 2022 11:47 PM |
that cuck bullshit belongs on reddit
| by Anonymous | reply 543 | April 22, 2022 12:08 AM |
Not that DL should know about the sex lives of straight people, but the cuck/bull/hotwife thing is a big and growing fetish — a lot of couples are into it. Huge category on Pornhub and Onlyfans.
It breaks up the monotony for both, in a way that includes both. It turns some guys on to watch their wives get fucked like a porn star. Plus it gives bi-curious/heteroflexible guys a way to work out same-sex fantasies they may or may not be willing to pursue themselves.
| by Anonymous | reply 544 | April 22, 2022 12:17 AM |
I totally believe you r544, but we need a gay-created replacement word for “cuck” because we hate it so much.
| by Anonymous | reply 545 | April 22, 2022 12:29 AM |
dad and mom were separating. probably waiting to separate until their oldest went off to school. what does being a cuckold have to do with anything. So juvenile.
| by Anonymous | reply 546 | April 22, 2022 12:37 AM |
[quote]dad and mom were separating. probably waiting to separate until their oldest went off to school. what does being a cuckold have to do with anything. So juvenile.
Yeah, just like 95% of DL was convinced the son did it.
Let's just see how it plays out. I think I've got this one.
| by Anonymous | reply 547 | April 22, 2022 12:46 AM |
R539 Tommy Wiseau IS the handyman.
| by Anonymous | reply 548 | April 22, 2022 12:51 AM |
Bonola's from Guatemala. He's the very definition of rough trade. Looks like Gaal reinforced the stereotype of slutty East European women and he reinforced the stereotype of violent Central Americans. Her husband must have been very, very understanding.
| by Anonymous | reply 550 | April 22, 2022 1:00 AM |
According to the NYPD, he arrived here from Mexico 21 years ago.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 551 | April 22, 2022 1:17 AM |
[quote] According to the NYPD, he arrived here from Mexico 21 years ago.
Legally?
| by Anonymous | reply 552 | April 22, 2022 1:29 AM |
I just want to say I called it; she was fucking a fellow immigrant.
| by Anonymous | reply 553 | April 22, 2022 1:50 AM |
"Ora...he found da knife in da bawbeque....."
| by Anonymous | reply 554 | April 22, 2022 2:07 AM |
Are Hungarians more sexually liberal than us prudish Americans? He was brazenly declaring his love for her on her facebook posts with heart emojis and calling her "my love," which surely her ex-pat friends would have seen. Polyamory is still taboo here, which is why those in open relationships are discreet with their side flings, by and large. Is this just normal in Hungarian culture and that is why the wife made no attempt at keeping this tryst a secret (she was hearting his hearts, how cute!).
| by Anonymous | reply 555 | April 22, 2022 2:09 AM |
"Nah, I think they probably just have an open marriage."
Ooohkay, but if homie was getting some blonde pussy on the side- why did he maniacally stab it to death? And why drag it all that way? What if a cop car cruised by?
Maybe they were doing some ruff sex and her neck snapped or something. BoneOhNo seemed to know the husband and son were out of state, but did he know the other kid was home?
The 13-yr. old's story will be most fascinating...
| by Anonymous | reply 556 | April 22, 2022 2:10 AM |
Let's ask Zsa Zsa...oh wait.
| by Anonymous | reply 557 | April 22, 2022 2:12 AM |
I don't find it odd that the son didn't hear anything. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was wearing headphones absorbed by gaming. What I do find odd is that there don't seem to be reports of neighbors hearing screams. Those houses are pretty close together and there must have been blood curdling screams.
| by Anonymous | reply 558 | April 22, 2022 2:26 AM |
Handyman looks pretty strong and street smart. Thinking he probably put some bandana or whatever around her mouth to shut her up. I don't really want to think about it. But likely, he anticipated and was ready. Ugh.
| by Anonymous | reply 559 | April 22, 2022 2:29 AM |
I really haven't been following this but I saw a headline that said
[quote] Queens handyman arrested for murder
and all I could think of was poor Queen Elizabeth what is next for her.
| by Anonymous | reply 560 | April 22, 2022 2:32 AM |
R556 — player gotta play, I respect your game Mr. BoneOhNo. <<<< this is why I come here.
Two questions:
1. Can you elaborate on your technique when you “rename” people?
2. Can you brand this technique? It deserves a name too.
| by Anonymous | reply 561 | April 22, 2022 2:35 AM |
".....slutty East European women...."
Did someone call?
| by Anonymous | reply 562 | April 22, 2022 2:36 AM |
Those photos screamed a woman who loved life and wasn't going to let middle age or the burden of a family keep her down. There's an awful lot to admire there, and it makes her end even sadder.
| by Anonymous | reply 563 | April 22, 2022 2:50 AM |
R536 The note said "Get a new handyman." I'm not making this up.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 564 | April 22, 2022 2:58 AM |
That's a guy who was only thinking with his dick, that's why he got caught.
| by Anonymous | reply 565 | April 22, 2022 3:01 AM |
He's 44 and she's like in her 60s? Mama issues?
| by Anonymous | reply 566 | April 22, 2022 3:09 AM |
Due in night court any minute. Local news says he was a classic spurned lover.
| by Anonymous | reply 568 | April 22, 2022 3:11 AM |
R563 I find her a bit shallow and vain with all the selfie posting on Facebook. Bored housewife who’s too lazy to get a job but enjoying the fruits of her husband’s labor in the dog-eat-dog financial sector. The fact that she was out and about at odd hours on a regular basis shows me she was a checked-out mother, especially as her boys were at critical ages. Picked a sleazy handyman as her fuck boy instead of a discreet white collar man. Probably neurotic and needy as fuck.
| by Anonymous | reply 569 | April 22, 2022 3:15 AM |
R566 She was 51. And like every poster here, looked much younger.
| by Anonymous | reply 570 | April 22, 2022 3:17 AM |
"He's 44 and she's like in her 60s? Mama issues?"
A pretty, well-to-do blonde MILF would be catnip for a wetback who came here on an innertube. Perhaps she wanted to end their situation and his red-hot Latin temper boiled over?
It's just all so sordid, but delicious. Breeders always paint LGBTQ people as sex-crazed perverts, and they are thisclose to God. But sometimes their carefully-constructed facades crumble.
I love these Dateline, 20/20, Forensc Files shows that expose the sick and boring world of heterosexuality.
But I want to hear from the star witness: the boy. Did he really game/sleep/rock out for 4 hrs. while the handyman sliced 'n diced mama downstairs and dragged her corpse out the door and down the street? Did he know they were having an affair? Was he listening... or spying? Was he even there?
| by Anonymous | reply 571 | April 22, 2022 3:43 AM |
WNBC reported that the handyman appeared in night court and was remanded to jail on suicide watch, after he spoke with help of a Spanish language translator.
I guess the MILF didn't require much conversation.
He's been in the country 21 years and still doesn't speak fluent English? I guess the text message he sent to the husband involved pretty short words.
| by Anonymous | reply 572 | April 22, 2022 3:50 AM |
[quote] I saw someone on Twitter post a photo of Slash saying it was Bonola, because Bonola had used a photo of Slash for his FB avatar.
Slash should play him in the movie.
| by Anonymous | reply 573 | April 22, 2022 4:01 AM |
He should have shot her. Stabbed 60 times? Jesus.
| by Anonymous | reply 574 | April 22, 2022 4:13 AM |
[quote] He's been in the country 21 years and still doesn't speak fluent English?
I guess that's a big hint about his actual immigration status
| by Anonymous | reply 575 | April 22, 2022 4:21 AM |
[quote]When SVU does this episode, they better set it in Forest Hills. I want to see more of those cute little houses.
Those faux Tudor houses are also in other parts of Queens, such as Bayside and Oakland Gardens.
Google 'Bayside Tudor Homes'.
| by Anonymous | reply 576 | April 22, 2022 4:54 AM |
[quote]He's 44 and she's like in her 60s? Mama issues?
60s? Use your brain, how could a 60 year old have teen kids? Orsolya Gaal was 51.
| by Anonymous | reply 577 | April 22, 2022 5:02 AM |
He knew the husband was gonna be away...
| by Anonymous | reply 578 | April 22, 2022 5:07 AM |
Photos of the murder weapon are chilling.
| by Anonymous | reply 579 | April 22, 2022 5:27 AM |
[quote]"Get a new handyman."
Wonder if Handy Andy came in to drop off the note, he didn't expect Orsolya to be home, she wanted to continue their affair, he declined, then he went ballistic. Or she wanted to end it, then he had the murderous meltdown.
Don't these assholes who are having affairs believe in calling or texting each other, preferably on burner phones??
Isn't it odd that he handyman casually let himself in? What if the husband was home, wouldn't he think it was weird that the handyman let himself in?
So many of these 'breaking news' stories seem to get the facts wrong. They report information before most of it is completely verified.
There's probably a lot more to this story. As others have suggested, the husband might have enjoyed watching his wife with other men or they simply had an open marriage, the husband had a sidepiece too.
| by Anonymous | reply 580 | April 22, 2022 5:29 AM |
I’m shocked I tell you, one would think a handyman would have access to a dolly or some type of cart to move things around and not have to rely on a hockey gear bag with wheels. One assumes he had plenty of good tools for dismembering though.
| by Anonymous | reply 581 | April 22, 2022 5:53 AM |
It seems he was trying to drag the body to the park where police found his jacket an other items. For whatever reason he gave up and abandoned the body on the sidewalk.
Perhaps his hands hurt too badly to continue.
| by Anonymous | reply 582 | April 22, 2022 5:54 AM |
Can Sally Struthers pull off an Hungarian accent? She could be the grieving mother arriving from Europe.
| by Anonymous | reply 583 | April 22, 2022 5:54 AM |
Fucking the Handyman?....Oh My....That was a pleasant twist to this story. What a naughty girl she was.
| by Anonymous | reply 584 | April 22, 2022 6:06 AM |
Naughty? She is not the first or the last to have an affair.
| by Anonymous | reply 585 | April 22, 2022 6:14 AM |
Her body wasn't found on the sidewalk, the bag was found several yards off the sidewalk into the park by a man walking his dog. It wasn't an ordinary duffel bag, it was the hockey bag of one of her sons with wheels. Although her body was stabbed over 55 times, with other severe disfiguring cuts, it wasn't dismembered.
| by Anonymous | reply 586 | April 22, 2022 6:21 AM |
^ And no, her son didn't have wheels, his hockey bag did.
| by Anonymous | reply 587 | April 22, 2022 6:27 AM |
"how could a 60-year old have teen kids?"
I'll be 68 when my son graduates high school.
| by Anonymous | reply 588 | April 22, 2022 6:29 AM |
This isn't several yards off the sidewalk. You can also see the blood pouring out of the bag onto the sidewalk in the still at R359.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 589 | April 22, 2022 6:29 AM |
Handyman Lovers can be so fickle...And you have to be careful because they know how to use sharp objects.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 590 | April 22, 2022 6:33 AM |
I stand corrected. But she wasn't dismembered.
| by Anonymous | reply 591 | April 22, 2022 6:50 AM |
"how could a 60-year old have teen kids?"
Ask Alec Baldwin.
| by Anonymous | reply 592 | April 22, 2022 6:51 AM |
[quote]"how could a 60-year old have teen kids?" Ask Alec Baldwin.
What a stupid réponse. We are talking about the ability for a women to have babies, not men. An old fart man can impregnate a woman for many years.
Alec's baby incubating wife Hilarious is only 38. Alec isn't having the babies, his much younger wife is. duh
Few women in their 50s, let alone 60s, can have babies. Some women go into menopause in their early 40s.
| by Anonymous | reply 593 | April 22, 2022 7:08 AM |
The victim was 51, took excellent care of her appearance and looked youthful. Her looks attracted the wrong attention.
| by Anonymous | reply 594 | April 22, 2022 7:14 AM |
R594 For sure she looked good but it seems like she was actively courting the wrong kind of attention. It is wholly possible to be attractive without cheating on your husband with a rough trade type.
| by Anonymous | reply 595 | April 22, 2022 7:20 AM |
I wonder if the husband is going to do a DNA test on his kids now?...How could he be certain now? ...Was the Handyman in the picture years ago?...The son and the Handyman both have that big curly hair thing going on....Go see for yourself....
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 596 | April 22, 2022 7:43 AM |
Victim looks a little like Blythe Danner. A younger Danner could play her in a movie.
| by Anonymous | reply 597 | April 22, 2022 9:04 AM |
Maybe they really didn't have an affair. He could have been obsessed with her and it was in his head. She was very attractive and seemed to have a lot going for her in life. I can't imagine her being with that guy. Who knows...
| by Anonymous | reply 598 | April 22, 2022 9:53 AM |
Michael Cimino should play Bonola in the TV movie. Kelly Rutherford for Orsolya.
| by Anonymous | reply 599 | April 22, 2022 9:55 AM |
I’d guess he used a translator with the encouragement of the court. Nobody wants him claiming later that he didn’t understand what he was being asked or that his testimony was misunderstood.
| by Anonymous | reply 600 | April 22, 2022 10:55 AM |
