Sullivan shared, "I hope that award shows across the industry will expand their reach to be able to honor and award people of all gender identities."
The New York Times has reported that trans non-binary performer Justin David Sullivan, who is currently starring as May in the Broadway production of & Juliet, has withdrawn from consideration for the Tony Awards rather than compete in a gendered category.
Sullivan was among performers who could have been nominated as a featured performer in a musical. By opting out of the Tony Awards, in which all of the categories are gendered, Sullivan is putting pressure on the awards.
The Outer Critics Circle board of directors recently voted to remove gender specifications from acting categories. The Obie Awards, which honor work Off and Off Off Broadway also have nongendered categories.
Sullivan told the Times, "I felt I had no choice but to abstain from being considered for a nomination this season... I hope that award shows across the industry will expand their reach to be able to honor and award people of all gender identities."
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 154 | February 5, 2023 1:54 AM |
[quote]By opting out of the Tony Awards, in which all of the categories are gendered, Sullivan is putting pressure on the awards.
No, it's not.
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | February 2, 2023 12:59 AM |
This tranny wasn’t gonna be nominated for dog catcher.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | February 2, 2023 1:05 AM |
In other news, I am withdrawing from People magazine's "Sexiest Man in the World" contest.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | February 2, 2023 1:07 AM |
r4 this isn't a tranny not even a ladyboy... just a bad crossdresser
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | February 2, 2023 1:17 AM |
R6 He is trans AND non-binary, educate yourself.
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | February 2, 2023 1:23 AM |
Broadway don't go for booze, or dope, or whatever the hell that thing is.
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | February 2, 2023 1:29 AM |
r7 When Patrick Swayze and Wesley Snipes are more convincing, there's a problem.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 9 | February 2, 2023 1:57 AM |
If you are non binary how can you be trans? Couldn’t this person just be nonbinary and leave it at that?
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | February 2, 2023 2:17 AM |
Obviously trans guy heroically gave up a certain win
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 12 | February 2, 2023 2:46 AM |
All for attention since he couldnt for talent
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | February 2, 2023 2:49 AM |
Nonbinary is bullshit.
Just admit you're gay. Trans is a different thing. But nonbinary is bullshit.
So don't go to the Tonys. No one cares.
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | February 2, 2023 3:03 AM |
I work with a non-binary zllennial. He’s a really nice guy. (they are a really nice them). I have no idea why they consider themselves queer. Male-presenting. Rupaul-watching. Wears some flowery shirts. Engaged to a woman. Maybe he just likes gay stuff? Is it rude to ask?
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | February 2, 2023 3:16 AM |
Even the tiny portion of people who care about the Tonys don't give any shit about this person. Away, fake fish.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | February 2, 2023 3:22 AM |
[quote]Engaged to a woman.
R15. That woman is in for a life of disappointment and sadness. Run woman run! Find a hetero man...not a gay one. And he's gay, not nonbinary. Sorry, you can say that you're nonbinary when you're 23. However, there is no way that you're nonbinary much beyond 30 unless you are stuck deep in the closet. And that's utterly ridiculous nowadays.
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | February 2, 2023 3:23 AM |
I'm just tired of the same nose makeup everyone is wearing - dark shading on the sides then a shiny circle on the end like fucking Rudolph.
There is no uniqueness to any of this - just copycat looks and declaring they are somehow different than generations before them - but they aren't and everyone can see right through it.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | February 2, 2023 3:26 AM |
[quote]Justin David Sullivan of & JULIET Withdraws From Tony Awards Consideration
Who's considering him?
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | February 2, 2023 3:30 AM |
Good luck finding roles beyond '& Juliet.'
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | February 2, 2023 3:31 AM |
"They" is plural.
Find another goddamn word. Make up something. zee, zay, yee, whatever. But "they" is fucking plural and does not apply to an individual.
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | February 2, 2023 3:34 AM |
It needs to work on his mental health. I wish her well on thy journey.
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | February 2, 2023 3:35 AM |
Someone riddle me this. How can one be Trans (switching from one gender to another) AND Non Binary (unable to identify with any gender) at the same time? *scratching my head*
I'll be glad when people finally revolt against this Emperor's New Clothes BS which seems intentionally designed to confuse, disrupt and spotlight mental cases who are DESPERATE for attention.
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | February 2, 2023 3:37 AM |
[quote] "They" is plural.
It’s also singular.
“My personal rule is to never trust anyone who says that they had a good time in high school.”
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | February 2, 2023 3:39 AM |
I'm withdrawing from the sanity Olympics
| by Anonymous | reply 25 | February 2, 2023 3:40 AM |
He doesn't look like a Sullivan.
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | February 2, 2023 3:41 AM |
Gurls watch your luggage !!! Another one !!!!
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | February 2, 2023 3:43 AM |
I thought it was a young Mario Lopez in drag.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | February 2, 2023 3:43 AM |
I still haven’t quite figured out what non-binary means. He’s a Tranny? A straight guy who gets turned on dressing up like a woman?
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | February 2, 2023 3:51 AM |
Has they been Trans’d yet?
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | February 2, 2023 4:04 AM |
So he wasn’t in contention for a nomination to begin with right?
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | February 2, 2023 4:12 AM |
[quote]I'll be glad when people finally revolt against this Emperor's New Clothes BS which seems intentionally designed to confuse, disrupt and spotlight mental cases who are DESPERATE for attention.
Oh hi!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 33 | February 2, 2023 4:40 AM |
[quote]By opting out of the Tony Awards, in which all of the categories are gendered, Sullivan is putting pressure on the awards.
Yeah, a lot of pressure. Hilarious!
How can one choose the gender identity of "trans non-binary"? Naturally, there is no such thing! Miss Broadway Ladyboy is simply riding the zeitgeist of the ridiculous Gender Identity Movement. How exhausting!
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | February 2, 2023 5:28 AM |
r15 one part, the activist sphere and the other, internet fandoms... kiddy fandoms are no joke. The biggest crybullies online. First they start out with roleplaying, then they identify with their fantasy characters, then they move to become their fantasy characters. They're Tom Hank's social panic film "Mazes & Monsters" realized.
The mocking phrase of "social justice warrior" is akin to causeheads, slacktivists, pc. They're not rebels, they're conformists to the highest degree.
all those anti-bullying campaigns, all they really did was empower these little bullies to subvert the natural order and divert youth from developing individual cliques. . . it's really quite "conservative" in its systems. It relies heavily on stereotypes and what was once the more superficial parts of academics. But now we have feminist science - feministry, feminist intersectional math, etc. The fringe has gone mainstream.
Problem, of course, was society didn't know how to deal. First it was contained to a certain subsection of zines, then internet chatrooms, campus politics, then it pushed into activist sphere, then it gradually spread outward til now where it's all mainstream. I can understand the ostrich syndrome, they're as laughable as campus communists. . . and most would outgrow that phase when confronted with the real world, like facing the responsibilities of college debt. But no one forces them to confront reality. . . and this has become a loophole for escapism. They're never just non-binary transtrenders, there's always an invisible disability attached (to them, being part of a minority is a disability, so often they invent one.) too... some reason, some excuse of why they didn't earn a participation trophy. There's, of course, enablers too... while they might not be easily controlled, they are an easily manipulated mass and lazy, shallow, context does come easy to them and they tend to think in literal terms. Hence, why I say they tend to be raised and socialized as having autism.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 35 | February 2, 2023 5:47 AM |
^ a more realistic view of disabilities than every is a special little snowflake in their own way.
But saying such things about the previous group or this one... brings out all the safe space marys with aggressive slurs, microaggressions, often violence too. Feral idiocy.
lords of flies or just idiocracy
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 37 | February 2, 2023 5:50 AM |
R24. "They" is not singular. "They" is plural.
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | February 2, 2023 6:10 AM |
[quote]By opting out of the Tony Awards, in which all of the categories are gendered, Sullivan is putting pressure on the awards.
Does anyone think that it's only a matter of time before one of the three major acting awards (Oscar, Tony, Emmy) switches to non-gendered acting categories? I always think that it would only take one of them to do it first before the other two would be compelled to follow suit so as not to look out of touch.
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | February 2, 2023 6:17 AM |
I think that a major awards show will not touch this, the recent debacle in the UK clearly demonstrates that we need gendered categories.
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | February 2, 2023 1:38 PM |
I have mixed feelings about this.
Firstly, people should worry less about awards and more about where their next job is coming from. I find it odd that people do one thing and think they should be showered with awards. It’s the work that matters.
Also, I think it’s odd that people think that in creating an opportunity for themselves, they need to take opportunities away from others. There are a lot of talented performers. I don’t see how having fewer categories is somehow going to address that, let alone include the very people arguing for this change as if inclusion alone is going to include them. It may very well shut them out.
Even adding a non-gendered performer category or two could just lead to unnecessary repetition; if performers submitted for that category it could just be such a narrow field that it could wrongly bias performers who aren’t necessarily worthy but who just happen to fit the criteria, elevating certain performers above others who have waited years for such recognition.
I mean, we all have to conform to something at some point in our lives and it usually has to do with work. Participate, don’t participate but don’t expect people to entirely change the rules of the game to accommodate the few.
It’s great that some, less mainstream awards bodies and festivals adhere to non-gendered acting categories. Let’s see how that goes. And performers can build upon that recognition to further their careers. I don’t necessarily think it means that the top-tier awards shows - which are trying to promote entire industries and get as many eyeballs as possible - have to fall in line, especially for people who just want it to be Halloween every day of the year.
Trans people already fit into established, gendered categories. Non-binary is less of a condition and more of a social rebellion, innit? They shouldn’t be seeking mainstream acceptance anyway which is why this seems like a lot of attention seeking.
When the major awards shows go non-gendered, I’ll stop watching. When something is so diluted, it just becomes less interesting. Let all the non-binary people tune in.
| by Anonymous | reply 41 | February 2, 2023 1:57 PM |
Best Performance by a Misfit. There's your category.
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | February 2, 2023 2:51 PM |
Ezra Miller also claims to be "trans non-binary" but he fucks women and presents male except for occasional photo ops.
| by Anonymous | reply 43 | February 2, 2023 3:01 PM |
[quote] They" is not singular.
It’s both, Boris.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | February 2, 2023 3:14 PM |
Liberal logic: fuck women. No different that conservatives.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 45 | February 2, 2023 3:16 PM |
[quote]Does anyone think that it's only a matter of time before one of the three major acting awards (Oscar, Tony, Emmy) switches to non-gendered acting categories? I always think that it would only take one of them to do it first before the other two would be compelled to follow suit so as not to look out of touch.
Actually, R39, Bill Maher brought this up in his opening monologue this past Friday night (talking about the Oscar nominees). He asked what category does the non-binary and trans actors fit in ? He then passed it off with 'let them deal with it'. (I was funny and truthful).
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | February 2, 2023 3:35 PM |
[quote]If you are non binary how can you be trans? Couldn’t this person just be nonbinary and leave it at that?
Yes, but then he only qualifies for one oppressed group instead of two.
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | February 2, 2023 3:45 PM |
I believe actors are told they're going to be submitted for Tony nomination. Why didn't he intervene then?
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | February 2, 2023 4:09 PM |
More passive-aggressive Millennial b.s. It's how they compete in the world: purity tests, cancelling, being 'offended'.
| by Anonymous | reply 49 | February 2, 2023 4:11 PM |
Where do these people learn how to dress? In the dark? I’m a millienial and I don’t get it.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | February 2, 2023 4:14 PM |
This will all go down in history with the same thud as New Coke and the metric system.
Social media has made it possible for anybody and everybody to subject the rest of us to obvious mental health issues.
And Sam Smith isn't brave, he's just a fat queen with no self awareness. Or mirrors.
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | February 2, 2023 4:48 PM |
The delusion is strong with this one.
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | February 2, 2023 5:40 PM |
These trans and non binary nut jobs do not want special categories created just for them because it does not validate their assumed gender for the trans and the non binaries outright know they don’t have a chance to win in a free for all mix of male/female.
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | February 2, 2023 5:56 PM |
[quote]I work with a non-binary zllennial. He’s a really nice guy. (they are a really nice them). I have no idea why they consider themselves queer.
Because it makes you *special* and worthy of extra attention.
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | February 2, 2023 5:57 PM |
R51? There are only 3 countries in the world that do not use the metric system: the U.S., Liberia and, erm, Myanmar.
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | February 2, 2023 6:54 PM |
If you get away with gendered categories, there’s the possibility that more men get nominated than women. If you add a third non-binary category, there’s the possibility that more biological men than women are nominated in that category, only reinforcing the elephant in the room of biological sex.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | February 2, 2023 7:58 PM |
And if you refuse to indulge these morons, it all goes away like it ought to.
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | February 2, 2023 8:05 PM |
I guess I should withdrawal my self from consideration for the Miss Oklahoma pageant...Even though no one has asked me to be in it
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | February 2, 2023 8:14 PM |
They & they thrive on the drama of it all in their youth. I can’t wait to watch these idiots age… broke, fat 60yos with wrinkles bitchin about the binary is going to be beyond ridiculous.
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | February 2, 2023 8:24 PM |
If nominated I will not run, and if elected I will not serve.
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | February 2, 2023 8:27 PM |
I don't understand people who don't like labels insisting on labeling themselves.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | February 2, 2023 8:31 PM |
[quote] More passive-aggressive Millennial b.s.
Gen Z, not Millennial.
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | February 2, 2023 9:04 PM |
[quote] I don't understand people who don't like labels insisting on labeling themselves.
Who said that they didn’t want to be labeled?
| by Anonymous | reply 63 | February 2, 2023 9:06 PM |
Is bad makeup and plastic surgery a label or category?
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | February 2, 2023 9:10 PM |
R61 Nowadays youngins are broke and powerless. They look up to the celebrities they see on the OnlyFans.
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | February 2, 2023 9:21 PM |
Also, apparently their pronouns are he/she/they.
| by Anonymous | reply 66 | February 2, 2023 9:25 PM |
"And if you refuse to indulge these morons, it all goes away like it ought to."
I agree about not indulging them, but it won't just go away. The performers will kick and scream but after a while one hopes they'll realize that it isn't getting them anywhere. Plus, the vast majority of actors are binary and I don't imagine they want to have all genders lumped into a single category for a single award.
| by Anonymous | reply 67 | February 2, 2023 9:37 PM |
I saw the West End production before COVID hit and it was very enjoyable. The lead actress playing Juliet was great and she won our equivalent of a Tony for the role. The cute guy who played Romeo subsequently came out as gay. The actor who played "May" was fine but not a standout. The actual award for BSA went to the hot old guy who played Shakespeare. The role of "May" has never actually garnered any awards attention as it's overshadowed by the others, so I don't know why this person is preemptively supposing there's any "Tony" chances.
Sorry if the Broadway show is shit btw, the British show was actually a fun night out and the whole cast was talented!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 68 | February 2, 2023 10:19 PM |
[quote]I mean, we all have to conform to something at some point in our lives and it usually has to do with work. Participate, don’t participate but don’t expect people to entirely change the rules of the game to accommodate the few.
To suggest so is completely transphobic. Literal genocide. On my way home from work I expect to see five or six dead Indigenous POC sex worker trans dead on the side of the road from your comment. Be better.
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | February 2, 2023 10:21 PM |
I don't know where you grew up r55, but we were tortured with the metric system in our junior high math classes. Aside from liquor and medical applications, I don't see the metric system as the game changer it was supposed to be.
Also, algebra will not be of use in your adult life.
Thud.
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | February 2, 2023 11:21 PM |
When was the last time an isosceles triangle came up in a conversation *you* were having?
| by Anonymous | reply 71 | February 2, 2023 11:32 PM |
Regardless of your gender and pronouns, it’s really presumptuous to act like you’ll be nominated for a major award.
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | February 2, 2023 11:37 PM |
Attention must be paid, r72.
| by Anonymous | reply 73 | February 2, 2023 11:39 PM |
This is rather like my Aunt Doris withdrawing from Oscar consideration for Best Actress even though the only moving picture she ever appeared in was the one Uncle Oscar caught of her falling out of her lawn chair drunk.
Or, translated for the themses among us:
This is rather like my relation who is a person with a uterus withdrawing from Oscar consideration for Best "Shamefully Assumed to Be a Female Acting Person" even though the only moving picture they ever appeared in was the one their abuser caught of them falling out of her lawn chair while self-medicating to overcome the anguish of not being recognized as a (FILL IN THE BLANK) just because they are the only person(s) in the world in that category.
| by Anonymous | reply 74 | February 2, 2023 11:44 PM |
I’m withdrawing from consideration for the Nobel Peace prize for my Datalounge posts as contributions to the planet
| by Anonymous | reply 75 | February 2, 2023 11:48 PM |
Nobody nominated you, r75.
| by Anonymous | reply 76 | February 2, 2023 11:51 PM |
Genderless awards categories will be considered a noble step forward until white men start winning a majority of the awards.
| by Anonymous | reply 77 | February 2, 2023 11:53 PM |
How far things have come. I'd have had the shit beat out of me if I'd walked around NYC dressed like that when I got here in 1986. And I certainly wouldn't have been cast in anything.
| by Anonymous | reply 78 | February 2, 2023 11:54 PM |
I kind of missed the days when wearing makeup was a behind-closed-doors kink or for drag queens, now every femme thinks they’re edgy for wearing eye shadow and nail polish out.
| by Anonymous | reply 79 | February 2, 2023 11:57 PM |
R77 it already happened with British music awards, all the nominees in the genderless category had a cock
| by Anonymous | reply 80 | February 3, 2023 12:00 AM |
You lived through flaming youth, beatniks, hippies and goth. You can live through the latest youth rebellion.
| by Anonymous | reply 81 | February 3, 2023 12:01 AM |
Why does this trigger you all so goddamn much? You all love RuPaul and that ridiculous drag tv show. And none of you have to see their show or meet them or fuck them. Shut the fuck up.
| by Anonymous | reply 82 | February 3, 2023 12:04 AM |
It's the pretension, r82.
| by Anonymous | reply 83 | February 3, 2023 12:07 AM |
I wrote a report card comment for a nonbinary 6-year-old today, using the pronouns “they” and “their.”
I’m too old for this bullshit.
| by Anonymous | reply 84 | February 3, 2023 12:08 AM |
For my money, the OBIES do it right: only awards no nominations. If there are 15 great performances that season - give out 15 awards - no categories to fill or genders to assume! If every musical sucks, no "best musical" award.
| by Anonymous | reply 85 | February 3, 2023 12:09 AM |
In related news:
DC editor Andrea Shea tweeted about the latest woke addition to the pantheon of DC Comics superheroes. Predicting people would love this transgender addition to the world of Batman and Superman, Shea exclaimed, “CIRCUIT BREAKER is gonna be your new favorite character!”
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 86 | February 3, 2023 2:15 AM |
I'm going to disagree with their prognostication, r86.
It is becoming clearer than ever that the DC intellectual property rights holders will go to any lengths to completely KILL OFF their brand!
| by Anonymous | reply 88 | February 3, 2023 4:39 AM |
From the NYT article on the issue:
The Tony Awards have accepted Sullivan’s position, meaning that Sullivan will not appear on the list of Tony-eligible performers considered by nominators at the end of the season. “Per Justin David Sullivan’s request to the Tony Administration Committee, they opted to withdraw themselves from eligibility,” Tony Award Productions said in a statement.
Sullivan is not the first nonbinary performer to make such a move. Asia Kate Dillon, who played Malcolm in a production of “Macbeth” last season, asked not to be considered in either the actor or actress categories. That move did not become public at the time but was confirmed by a Tony Awards spokeswoman on Wednesday.
This season, there will be at least one Tony-eligible nonbinary performer: J. Harrison Ghee, who stars in the new musical “Some Like It Hot,” will be considered for possible nomination in the leading actor category, the Tony Awards administration committee said on Wednesday. The committee, which determines eligibility categories for shows and artists, was following a request from the show’s producers.
Ghee, whose performance has drawn strong reviews and who is considered likely to receive a Tony nomination, plays a musician who initially identifies as male but starts dressing as a woman to escape the mob, and by the end of the show has a more fluid identity.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 90 | February 3, 2023 5:39 AM |
“I’m not going to put myself on this pedestal like, ‘I need it to change today,’” Ghee told The Daily Beast in a recent interview when asked about this season’s Tony Awards categories. “I never go into things expecting to be the person that changes everything. I’m just showing up and meeting the moment.”
Tony Awards administrators have quietly been talking about whether to change the gendered nature of their acting awards — awards for designers and directors are not gendered — but it is not clear if, when or how they might do so. There has long been concern that such a change would make it even harder for performers to win the industry’s top honor.
“We recognize that the current acting categories are not fully inclusive, and we are currently in discussion about how to best adjust them to address this,” Tony Award Productions said in a statement. “Unfortunately, we are still in process on this and our rules do not allow us to make changes once a season has begun. We are working thoughtfully to ensure that no member of our community feels excluded on the basis of gender identity in future seasons.”
The Outer Critics Circle, which grants awards for work both on and Off Broadway, said this year that it would eliminate gendered categories. Several regional theater award competitions, including the Helen Hayes Awards in Washington, the Barrymore Awards in Philadelphia and the Jeff Awards in Chicago, have eliminated gender-specific awards categories.
| by Anonymous | reply 91 | February 3, 2023 5:39 AM |
Why do companies keep marketing to the one (tiny) demographic who actually spends the least amount of money? Trannys and Enbys don't buy anything. They expect it to be given to them.
| by Anonymous | reply 92 | February 3, 2023 5:40 AM |
That thing had no chance of getting nominated in any category.
| by Anonymous | reply 93 | February 3, 2023 5:52 AM |
[quote]The Tony Awards have accepted Sullivan’s position, meaning that Sullivan will not appear on the list of Tony-eligible performers considered by nominators at the end of the season.
In other words, "fuck you, cunt."
| by Anonymous | reply 94 | February 3, 2023 5:57 AM |
[quote]Why do companies keep marketing to the one (tiny) demographic who actually spends the least amount of money? Trannys and Enbys don't buy anything. They expect it to be given to them.
Bunch of broke-ass bitches.
| by Anonymous | reply 95 | February 3, 2023 5:58 AM |
[quote]This season, there will be at least one Tony-eligible nonbinary performer: J. Harrison Ghee, who stars in the new musical “Some Like It Hot,” will be considered for possible nomination in the leading actor category...
...because he is a MAN!
| by Anonymous | reply 96 | February 3, 2023 6:24 AM |
Whatever will the stage Awards do without recognizing le petite man-face and his nips?
Our culture will suffer irreparably without elevating drag to the superlative.
| by Anonymous | reply 97 | February 3, 2023 7:29 AM |
Maybe some trans pass but how would I know if I can’t tell. My experience is that none do, no matter how well they cosplay. I can’t help but look a few times, discretely, because I can’t stop thinking “buddy, you’re a dude in a frock. Be a little discreet about your fetishes”
I have several fetishes but I don’t walk the streets in a jock and carry a whip…and act emotionally fragile and incredulous when people notice/stare. It’s not an outside-the-bedroom identity…it’s a fetish.
Most ftms look like Rachel Maddow to me, a boyish looking woman proudly wearing her Easter suit from the Little Delegates section at JC Penny.
| by Anonymous | reply 98 | February 3, 2023 8:13 AM |
This kind of public haggling for attention didn’t work for the curly haired gal on POSE and won’t work for this ladyman either…
pack your MAC makeup up and go take an acting course!
| by Anonymous | reply 99 | February 3, 2023 8:47 AM |
I will stop all the mutilation on Day 1. It's a disgrace.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 100 | February 3, 2023 10:14 AM |
If you read the Tonys comment, non gender specific categories are clearly coming next year.
I can’t believe the trans performer had the audacity to say, “I’m showing up to meet the moment”
There are hundreds of Trans bills going through state legislatures that will have DEADLY consequences for trans Americans, should they come into law.
Whether or not the Tony Awards eliminate the category of featured actor in a musical isnt going to fucking change that and they/them “meeting that moment” can go fuck themselves
| by Anonymous | reply 101 | February 3, 2023 11:26 AM |
It is wearying that these self-absorbed bores will pull any stunt for attention.
| by Anonymous | reply 102 | February 3, 2023 12:14 PM |
R100 Will he stop circumcision as well?
| by Anonymous | reply 103 | February 3, 2023 12:30 PM |
[quote]If you read the Tonys comment, non gender specific categories are clearly coming next year.
Signaling the end of the Tonys.
| by Anonymous | reply 104 | February 3, 2023 2:51 PM |
r103 it's not the same thing and you know that.
| by Anonymous | reply 105 | February 3, 2023 3:19 PM |
[quote]Most ftms look like Rachel Maddow to me,
I'm in Portland, which has a very large trans community, and here a lot of the ftms go for the bear/lumberjack look complete with beard and pass reasonably well (some better than others). There's lots of them on Scruff.
| by Anonymous | reply 106 | February 3, 2023 4:24 PM |
The Tonys will not change. Producers need more categories for advertising purposes.
| by Anonymous | reply 107 | February 3, 2023 5:12 PM |
I think they should just add two new acting categories:
Non-binary Performer in a Leading Role
Non-binary Performer in a Featured Role
| by Anonymous | reply 108 | February 3, 2023 5:51 PM |
By the way, I think adding these two new categories would be ideal for three reasons: (a) it would honor the work of non-binary performers in a manner equal to that of male and female performers, (b) they could avoid eliminating other acting categories, and (c) to R107's point, it would give producers two more potential Tony wins to add to their advertising. Everybody's happy.
| by Anonymous | reply 109 | February 3, 2023 6:05 PM |
Good way to get press since he wasn't going to be nominated playing a minor role
| by Anonymous | reply 110 | February 3, 2023 6:10 PM |
Adding non-binary categories would surely make is much easier for them to win since there are so few?
| by Anonymous | reply 111 | February 3, 2023 7:44 PM |
I do not have enough spoons to understand what being trans and non binary entails. The mental leaps involved must be exhausting....
| by Anonymous | reply 112 | February 3, 2023 10:18 PM |
I don’t think the Tonys are going to do away with decades of history in these categories to appease a few non-binary categories.
Also, trans people pass all the time. At one time I had 3 or 4 colleagues at work who I knew for considerable periods of time and had no idea they were trans. When it came to my attention it was like, so what? Most trans people don’t want everyone to know they’re trans, they’re not attention seeking at all. Once you know somebody, it’s a pretty irrelevant piece of information, unless you develop a close relationship and offer them support. It’s not easy being trans. One of my dearest friends is trans and we talk about it when they need to and never more than that.
But, as noted, the gendered categories already allow for trans actors by being considered as their chosen gender. The last thing a trans person would want is a “trans” category.
As for non-binary people…who knows? There will never be enough of them to fill a competitive category. But I hardly think this is the most pressing thing. These shows are not about individuals anyway - they’re about promoting entire industries. They’re not going win either way in non-gendered categories so what’s the point. For now, they’re eligible for Obies or whatever. You have to be more than a novelty anyway to make an impact.
I mean, what’s Audra saying about this?
| by Anonymous | reply 113 | February 3, 2023 11:52 PM |
R113 They sound like lovely old school transsexuals, who have always been cool, and don't shit all over women.
| by Anonymous | reply 114 | February 4, 2023 12:26 AM |
R115 How fucking dare some male enby steal my thunder!
| by Anonymous | reply 116 | February 4, 2023 2:06 AM |
Last year, the Tonys awarded 4 wins to a musical about a pedophile, MJ The Musical, and gave a Tony to Cosby apologist Phylicia Rashad.
They're already dead to me. I don't care what happens with this narcissist who wasn't gonna be nominated anyway.
| by Anonymous | reply 117 | February 4, 2023 4:52 AM |
[quote]Whether or not the Tony Awards eliminate the category of featured actor in a musical isn't going to fucking change that and they/them “meeting that moment” can go fuck themselves...
But the other queen who is taking himself out of the running is saving lives?
Doll, you're over-caffeinated on your crusade to save humanity one front hole at a time. Take a deep breath, hon.
| by Anonymous | reply 118 | February 4, 2023 5:11 AM |
[quote]Also, trans people pass all the time.
Oh, DEAR!
| by Anonymous | reply 119 | February 4, 2023 5:14 AM |
[quote]Most trans people don’t want everyone to know they’re trans, they’re not attention seeking at all.
BWAHAHA! Oh, my sides, MY SIDES!
Do you live on the Bizarro Planet?
| by Anonymous | reply 120 | February 4, 2023 5:16 AM |
R113 where on Earth do you live that you’ve ever known more than one trans person? Seriously asking.
I’ve lived in Boston (4 years) and NYC (15 years), I have been immersed in gay culture since I came out in the 9th grade, I have played in and organized lgbt athletic leagues in NYC, I’ve been in the lgbt/diversity group at every employer, dated openly gay men (who have friends and affiliations), married an openly gay man, I am close personal friends with a lot of the lgbt political action/advocacy leaders in NY and nationally, and national DNC leaders... I’ve met 2 trans people that I know of. (Like them both, very much)
So again, where do you live? Where is it that you worked with “3-4 colleagues” who are trans persons? Do you work AT a trans advocacy PAC, or in gender dysphoria counseling at an academic hospital?
🤔
| by Anonymous | reply 121 | February 4, 2023 7:19 AM |
R106 What the fuck are they doing on Scruff?
Are there that many gay guys in Portland who want to eat pussy or suck on shaved arm skin flesh tubes?
| by Anonymous | reply 122 | February 4, 2023 7:36 AM |
They probably “pass” in curated, heavily-filtered photos only.
| by Anonymous | reply 123 | February 4, 2023 7:39 AM |
R106 I’m with R122. “They’re on Scruff” that is a horrifying thought, if true. I hope to the sweet Lord they plainly identify as trans otherwise it’s better labeled antisocial disorder.
As if I wouldn’t be able to tell when the clothes come off, but still...it would be a huge waste of time and a boner. I’d hide my horror and be polite…and beat a hasty exit. But trans have to identify that way openly if trying to catfish some unsuspecting horny guy on the fuck apps.
| by Anonymous | reply 124 | February 4, 2023 7:48 AM |
R124 One of my half-dozen bans from reddit was because I was arguing with a transman, in a sub-reddit for gay men, when I said that trans people must identify they're trans on the app, and certainly before a date. The mod didn't like it, who I'm assuming is trans, like they all are, and gave me a week-long ban.
There is a wide-spread belief among gender ideology cultists where they will argue that it's not their responsibility to inform a potential date that they're trans. They argue that it would put their safety at risk.
That makes no fucking sense to me. It would seem like they would be in much more danger, especially from straight dudes, if they don't disclose before the clothes come off.
A transwoman is going to be in much more danger if she's been making out all night at the bar without disclosing, then once alone in a hotel room with a straight guy and she pulls a Crying Game and whips out a big fat lady-cock.
| by Anonymous | reply 126 | February 4, 2023 8:41 AM |
Looks better without the war paint.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 127 | February 4, 2023 8:48 AM |
[quote]By opting out of the Tony Awards, in which all of the categories are gendered
ALL the categories are gendered? So, for example, there's a Tony for the best male musical score and best female musical score? Best revival of a male musical and best revival of a female musical?
| by Anonymous | reply 129 | February 4, 2023 8:54 AM |
" The Tony for best performance by a freak goes to..........."
| by Anonymous | reply 130 | February 4, 2023 11:03 AM |
I looked through his Instagram feed and couldn't find one where he wasn't wearing a shit-tonne of makeup R127. Did you find any sans war paint?
| by Anonymous | reply 131 | February 4, 2023 11:20 AM |
[quote] R77 it already happened with British music awards, all the nominees in the genderless category had a cock
r80 Berlinale already did so too. These things spread like mold. Theatre scene is filled with most brain damaged gender cultist morons, white black brown men women het and LGB actors & staff all.
| by Anonymous | reply 132 | February 4, 2023 11:50 AM |
This cringeworthy one never disappoints. Great gay representation..
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 133 | February 4, 2023 11:56 AM |
To gays still wondering in 2023 how someone can be both non-binary and trans.
I got 'educated' by LGBTQIA+ cultist gays years ago: 1 'trans' means just transitioning from your 'assigned sex at birth' 2 sex/gender identity crap is a 'spectrum' 3 if you transitioned from male to female you are a trans(woman) if you transitioned from male to somewhere crappy place between male and female, you are non-binary 4 therefore enby (=n-b) is part of the trans spectrum and falls under the trans umbrella 5 enby's place among LGBTQIA+ is T.
Plenty of 'both non-binary and trans' female loons. For men, "I'm not a sir. I'm transgender nonbinary!" Ezra Miller. Bald nuclear official Sam Brinton - known as just non-binary for the uncritical mass - has screamed too many times on twitter that he is trans (too).
| by Anonymous | reply 134 | February 4, 2023 12:08 PM |
Reed's bitchy review at R12 deserves an award.
| by Anonymous | reply 135 | February 4, 2023 12:15 PM |
Hang on a minute. I thought The Trans told everyone else only The Trans can play trans roles in plays.
So by that logic I assume Justin David Sullivan ONLY plans trans non-binary characters?
Otherwise he/she/it is depriving non-The Trans actors of roles that only they could play.
Sorry to bring logic and hypocrisy to yet another The Trans discussion - I know it's deadly.
| by Anonymous | reply 136 | February 4, 2023 12:29 PM |
I saw this great video about non-binarism yesterday and it pointed out how sexist it is
For male born people, nonbinarism is simply a form of dressing up and decoration
For female born people, they are actually mutilating themselves
Horrifying 😱
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 137 | February 4, 2023 12:41 PM |
R131, the are a few, but you have to look for them.
| by Anonymous | reply 139 | February 4, 2023 2:04 PM |
Is there some shame in transitioning now? Years ago people were militant to be called their new sex after surgery/hormones. Now I see, "I am a trans woman"- as if they feel they aren't the real thing. Just forever "nearly a woman".
You can't put 'trans' on your driver's license.
| by Anonymous | reply 140 | February 4, 2023 2:23 PM |
R140 no, there should be no shame. People may do with their bodies, and identify with their minds whatever they wish. Complete and unfettered autonomy without judgement. Yes, mtf trans means “nearly a woman” and there’s NOTHING wrong with that. Only small minded idiots would think there’s something wrong with it, and who cares about them.
Woman means XX chromosome. Short of that you are not a “woman” or “female”. Conversely, “male” or “man” means XY chromosome. Science may be a little unkind in that regard but alas, it’s biological/scientific specificity. Wishing it away doesn’t make it so. The scientific community can’t unlearn things once they’ve become established facts.
Trans is an identity disorder. And I mean ‘disorder’ in the strict clinical definition not the loaded colloquial usage of moral wrongness.
Christ, we’ve been forced to be exceedingly fastidious about scientific language these days, lest someone become enflamed by casual conversation. It’s also curious that the lot who were the first to throw around the phrase “science denier” at anyone who doesn’t embrace their political thought also seem to be the first ones to throw science out the window when it doesn’t suit.
| by Anonymous | reply 141 | February 4, 2023 2:51 PM |
I love Rex Reed's review. He is basically Datalounge personified.
| by Anonymous | reply 142 | February 4, 2023 3:18 PM |
R143 I’ll admit, I had to look up that one. I thought she went by JK. Do people call her Joanne?
Regardless, I get the reference. I wouldn’t necessarily look to a fiction writer to illuminate science, personally. Especially a writer who struggles so greatly with the English language and syntax.
JK/Joanne is young adult fantasy/fiction writer. You regard science as fantasy/fiction… got it.
| by Anonymous | reply 145 | February 4, 2023 5:18 PM |
I like to say, "Look between your legs. There's your binary!
| by Anonymous | reply 146 | February 4, 2023 6:21 PM |
[quote]Jennifer Weber’s alleged “choreography” repeats the same jerky movements over and over again in every number, featuring nothing more than jumping around like spastic penguins. The songs are execrable, but as bad as they are they sound even worse screeched in the style of melisma better suited to gospel than pop-rock.
The critic-as-absolute-cunt is a dying species in America. Thank God for Rex.
| by Anonymous | reply 147 | February 4, 2023 8:37 PM |
Rex Reed will call out shit when he sees it, he won't pretend it's art for political correctness reasons like a lot of critics these days do. He's a dying breed.
| by Anonymous | reply 148 | February 4, 2023 8:39 PM |
Oh is Rex doing theater reviews now? For whom- The Parsippany Penny Saver?
| by Anonymous | reply 149 | February 4, 2023 10:07 PM |
[quote]Rex Reed will call out shit when he sees it, he won't pretend it's art for political correctness reasons like a lot of critics these days do. He's a dying breed.
And yet in reviewing "Funny Girl" he pretended that Beanie was giving the greatest performance seen on Broadway since Laurette Taylor in "The Glass Menagerie."
| by Anonymous | reply 150 | February 4, 2023 11:06 PM |
r150 she checked too many boxes. lgbt? check. fat? check. Possibly handicapable in a special way? check????
| by Anonymous | reply 151 | February 4, 2023 11:38 PM |
r146 ah, yes everything boils down to whether you're a cis scum manspreader preying on women and the world with your privilege or you're a dainty victim of the patriarchy, raised in a superfluous sexist world designed to turn women into cross legged chattel. There's your binary, indeed! obliterate gender now and trannies for co-opting our supremacist group!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 152 | February 4, 2023 11:42 PM |
R150 I wish I knew the Taylor/Menagerie reference. It sounds cultured and informed, whether the opinion is broadly shared or not. I wish also that I had a broader appreciation for the stage arts. I make the effort to see musicals and straight plays, but I know my ability to deeply appreciate them is limited. I can tell when they’re unequivocally bad, but between decent and resplendent I am lost.
I love opera, even poor productions and performances. I enjoy most ballet, even if only for the physicality.
I wish I was more able to appreciate a broader range of performance arts, but I am not.
| by Anonymous | reply 153 | February 5, 2023 12:38 AM |
