Tell Me About Joe Orton and Kenneth Halliwell

Theirs seems sort of story begging to be made into a television mini-series or even film.

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by Anonymousreply 24June 8, 2023 5:58 AM

Um…And Redgrave is fabulous.

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by Anonymousreply 1December 11, 2022 1:16 PM

It was an excellent film. For some reason DL doesn't like it.

It's on YT in full.

It's what made Gary Oldman into a star.

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by Anonymousreply 3December 11, 2022 1:20 PM

R2

Only came across Joe Orton while reading various bits recently on Kenneth Lane, one had no idea...

by Anonymousreply 4December 11, 2022 1:23 PM

I saw this film in the theater on one of my first gay dates.

By the end of the movie, I hated Joe Orton so much that I was relieved when Halliwell murdered him. I didn’t tell my date that, though.

by Anonymousreply 5December 11, 2022 1:43 PM

Joe Orton is a character in this film about gay Welsh actor Kenneth Williams, who was a friend and Moroccan sex holiday companion of Orton, and who also appeared in his play, Loot.

Has anyone seen this movie. The dialogue from this scene seems in line with a lot of DL threads.

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by Anonymousreply 8December 11, 2022 1:59 PM

Just discovered Kenneth Williams has an active thread!

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by Anonymousreply 9December 11, 2022 2:09 PM

Alfred Molina is good as KH, but he doesn't look anything like him (whereas as Oldman is a very good Orton look alike).

Apparently, the public toilet portrayed in the film now is a swanky bar. How London has changed in half a century!

by Anonymousreply 10December 11, 2022 2:15 PM

Kenneth Halliwell could have had a real career as an artist if his fragile mental state and pill addiction hadn't ended his life. He was so busy living in Joe Orton's shadow that he couldn't realize that his collage work had a brilliance that could have given him a real career and recognition of his own.

by Anonymousreply 11December 11, 2022 2:36 PM

you gurls will love this one

he thinks the american haRd R comes from the West of England - to me the generic american accent sounds Irish

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by Anonymousreply 12December 11, 2022 2:40 PM

r8 Kenneth Williams was not Welsh. He was English. Michael Sheen who played him in Fantabulosa is Welsh.

by Anonymousreply 13December 11, 2022 3:21 PM

Kenneth Williams, interviewed about Joe Orton

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by Anonymousreply 14December 11, 2022 3:21 PM

Kenneth Williams was born in England; both his parents were Welsh.

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by Anonymousreply 15December 11, 2022 3:50 PM

Kenneth Halliwell was bit older than Joe Orton. After their arrest, conviction and subsequent incarceration for theft and defacing library books upon release nature of relationship seemed to have begun changing.

One wonders if Kenneth Halliwell just couldn't handle besides Joe Orton's endless promiscuity that perhaps he might soon be dumped.

It takes extraordinary rage to whack someone's head many times with a hammer with clear intent to cause death.

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by Anonymousreply 16December 11, 2022 10:25 PM

Good lord, Kenneth Halliwell actually has a listing on Murderpedia.

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by Anonymousreply 17December 11, 2022 10:27 PM

R14's video is interesting-- Williams comes across as an unpleasant man in his diaries but he often displays keen insight into people and situations.

by Anonymousreply 18December 11, 2022 11:47 PM

As with many others one can put things in a diary or otherwise into writing not meant to be seen by others one wouldn't say otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 19December 11, 2022 11:50 PM

"Peggy Ramsay said: “If Joe had been a little more careful. Kenneth wouldn’t have killed him. Kenneth was so lonely and so unhappy. The only way he could see out was to kill himself and take Joe too.”

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by Anonymousreply 20December 12, 2022 2:49 PM

I knew all these poofters.

by Anonymousreply 21December 13, 2022 7:27 AM

Don't come to us all dame high and mighty, we know where you've been dearie.

Was it that Gateways club again?

by Anonymousreply 22December 13, 2022 8:29 AM

Someone please correct the dickhead who keeps on calling Kenneth Williams, Kenneth Lane

by Anonymousreply 23December 13, 2022 8:48 AM

Was Orton ever married? In this interview it is alluded to, but was it just fabricated to hide his homosexuality?

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by Anonymousreply 24June 8, 2023 5:58 AM

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