Everybody is all talking Rose Nylund today, but Sue Ann was much funnier.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 98 | January 7, 2022 3:51 AM |
Agreed. Sue Ann was phenomenal character, especially for that time, and played with perfection. Many actresses could have done Rose, but Betty nailed it on MTM.
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | January 1, 2022 1:53 PM |
Sue Ann was just Blanche or Blair Warner.
| by Anonymous | reply 2 | January 1, 2022 1:55 PM |
She was hysterical on MTM. That’s who I remember!
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | January 1, 2022 1:56 PM |
r1: Sue Ann was a brilliant subversion of White's homespun public image.
The role of Sue Ann Nivens was not specifically written for White, but script #73 of the series ("The Lars Affair", originally aired September 15, 1973) called for an "icky sweet Betty White type". The casting director decided to approach the star herself, who with husband Allen Ludden was already good friends with Mary Tyler Moore and her then husband, MTM producer Grant Tinker. Producers were aware of Moore and White's friendship and were initially hesitant to audition White for the role, afraid of the awkwardness that might ensue if White wasn’t right for the part.
White played up Sue Ann Nivens' cheerful, home-and-hearth loving persona—a sharp contrast to the character's backbiting, sexually voracious true nature. Her first appearance in episode one of season four was intended to be a one-time guest role, but series creator James L. Brooks gave White a friendly post-show warning: "Don't make too many plans."
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 5 | January 1, 2022 2:13 PM |
Totally agree. Funny as Rose, brilliant and hilarious as Sue Ann. Sue Ann was also a better-written character and The MTM Show was superior to The Golden Girls.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | January 1, 2022 2:28 PM |
I get the feeling that White had a lot of fun sending up her public image, Brilliantly, though she subverted it - but did not destroy it. Everybody knew offscreen she was really sweet Betty White and not back-stabbing Sue Ann,
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | January 1, 2022 2:38 PM |
Totally agree. Never got tired of Sue Ann (but Rose could bore me). Love the episode with scenes in Sue Ann’s bedroom (that bed!).
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | January 1, 2022 2:41 PM |
Totally agree. While the women of "Golden Girls" were great, the show was strictly by the numbers, whereas Sue Ann Nivens and the MTM show had great wit and writing.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | January 1, 2022 2:56 PM |
Another one in agreement. Her signature role.
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | January 1, 2022 3:09 PM |
Ella was pretty funny too.
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | January 1, 2022 3:16 PM |
r11: Damn, thats great writing and acting. Bitchy quips, pathos and laughs.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | January 1, 2022 3:21 PM |
This is more Ted Knight than Betty but it makes me howl.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 15 | January 1, 2022 7:55 PM |
Glad there are some Sue Ann better than Rose fans. Betty was best at playing roles that belied her sweet old lady persona. The bitchier and the more backstabbing the better. Some of Sue Ann’s clips are laugh riots.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | January 1, 2022 8:34 PM |
Sue Ann also had the edge because MTM never scraped the barrel with Very Special Episodes.
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | January 1, 2022 8:37 PM |
"What's all This Fuss About Famine?"
She gets in two super bitchy swipes at Murray and Mary.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 18 | January 1, 2022 8:40 PM |
I'm watching Sue Ann Nivens clips on Youtube and Betty White was hilarious. What a bitch!
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | January 1, 2022 8:40 PM |
And to think the Sue Ann character may never have been created but for the Rhoda character being spun-off.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | January 1, 2022 8:46 PM |
The Lars Affair is classic Sue Ann. That knee she gives the over door shutting it closed is all you need to know about the Sue Ann characters personality going forward. I don’t know if it was improvised or scripted, but it was a brilliant choice. Cloris won an Emmy for this episode. Betty should have too.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 21 | January 1, 2022 8:48 PM |
Eleven years of smiling...
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 22 | January 1, 2022 8:51 PM |
The early, Rhoda, seasons haven't aged all that well. It was the latter years, with the introduction of Betty White, that are the stand-out ones.
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | January 1, 2022 8:52 PM |
I agree. The media reporting about her death are playing up her role on the "Golden Girls" but Sue Anne Nivens was a much better written role and really highlighted White's comedic skills.
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | January 1, 2022 8:54 PM |
Betty White as Sue Ann Nivens
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 25 | January 1, 2022 8:55 PM |
I spent most of last night arguing this point. 2022 began with much division.
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | January 1, 2022 9:05 PM |
Add me to the list of those who loved Sue Ann! Someone else already mentioned one of my favorite moments with the knee to the oven door. Also, "You know what happens to Veal Prince Orloff...?"
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | January 1, 2022 9:07 PM |
OP: I wholeheartedly agree. MTM is my favorite show of all time, and Sue Ann Nivens is one of the many highlights. Loved everyone and of course Betty White--and the show has held up remarkably well. I was just never a big fan of the Golden Girls. Yes, I liked them all. They were great. But from the very beginning, the GG character of Rose bugged me because she was so dumb. It just turned me off. I still watched GG now and then, but for me it wasn't 'must-see' TV the way Mary Tyler Moore was. I feel kind of bad saying that because how could I not consistently watch Bea, Rue, Estelle and Betty? I don't know, it just didn't turn me on all that much. And Betty's dumb character didn't appeal to me.
But Betty White as Sue Ann Nivens was everything. Funny, funny woman. Brilliant. I don't really even think of the GG and 'Rose.' In my mind, Betty White will always be the delightfully, biting, wicked and hilarious Sue Ann Nivens.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | January 1, 2022 9:07 PM |
With Sue Ann Nivens, White had to be nasty, caustic, insincere, narcissistic yet be funny and have us on her side.
Not an easy thing for an actor to pull off.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | January 1, 2022 9:08 PM |
Ellen Harper wasn't bad either.
She lacked Sue Ann's warm disposition, but she was cold blooded and snobby.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | January 1, 2022 9:10 PM |
When Sue Ann lamented about Phyllis slamming the oven door and ruining Sue Ann's soufflé, and then Sue Ann closes the oven door with her knee...and then Sue Ann continuing to mourn over the soufflé...even whacky Phyllis had to look at her crazily, confused and said unbelievably, "You're bananas."
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | January 1, 2022 9:15 PM |
r29: I think there is a little bit of Sue Ann in many of us.
Or as a friend of mine said "You loved Mary. You loved Rhoda. But you wanted to BE Sue Ann."
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | January 1, 2022 9:16 PM |
Mary: "But Sue Ann, no one is here yet."
Sue Ann: "Mary, dinner is served."
and then later...
Mary: "Mr. Grant, you took half. Sue Ann only made six servings of the Veal Prince Orloff."
Lou: "You mean to tell me that's all we're having for dinner."
Mary: "Yes, Mr. Grant. You have to put some back!"
And an unknown Henry Winkler who came as Rhoda's uninvited date and had to sit alone at the little table by the living room window: "Could someone please pass the salt?"
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | January 1, 2022 9:22 PM |
Watching those clips of Betty as Sue Ann Nivens really gives you an appreciation of how talented she was. Brilliant comedic actress.
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | January 1, 2022 9:25 PM |
I've told this one before but here it is again.
When I lived in WeHo, my neighbor was a costume/wardrobe guy. He was dressing Bea Arthur who was hosting the APLA event at the Wiltern Theater. I was tapped to wrangle Bea for an afternoon.
Long story short, Bea was a strange woman. Shy but caustic. I think she was still drinking.
My point is that one of the few things I got from that afternoon was that the real Betty was not very far from Sue Ann.
That made me love her more.
| by Anonymous | reply 35 | January 1, 2022 9:29 PM |
[quote] Or as a friend of mine said "You loved Mary. You loved Rhoda. But you wanted to BE Sue Ann."
I thought the saying was:
Mary was who you wanted to be.
Phyllis was who you were scared to become.
Rhoda was who you probably were.
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | January 1, 2022 9:33 PM |
Betty White was supposed to be Blanche. Rue was supposed to play Rose. Rue asked to be cast, instead, as Blanche.
Betty White & Allan Ludden (husband) were friends of MTM.
I hated Betty as Rose. Boring! St. Olaf stories were interminable.
Loved Betty as Sue Ann. There were a couple of episodes where she went after Lou (sexually). Hilarious. Also hilarious were her back-and-forth snipes with Murray. Also loved the episode (mentioned above) where Sue Ann had an affair with Lars (Phyllis' husband) and used her knee to close the oven door.
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | January 1, 2022 9:38 PM |
One of the best episodes: Lou and Sue Ann fuck. Mary can't keep a secret and spills the beans to Murray.
Betty doesn't have much to do in it, but she steals every scene. Unshaven daddy bear Ed Asner looks hot as fuck. And he is devastating in his office scene with Mary
Mary: "Guess who Sue Ann Nivens spent the night with?"
Murray: "Come on, Mary! I have to be home in an hour!"
*****************
Lou: "Sue Ann! Could you do me a favor?"
Sue Ann: "Well, maybe on my lunch hour!"
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 38 | January 1, 2022 9:49 PM |
Murray: A woman is giving birth to a baby in Mary’s bedroom! Sue Ann: I know! And it’s probably the most exciting thing that’ll ever happen in there!
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | January 1, 2022 10:10 PM |
She had a great guest starring role on My Name is Earl.
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | January 1, 2022 10:11 PM |
Mary: "Did you crash the men’s room?"
Sue Ann: : "Of course not… I went as somebody’s guest."
| by Anonymous | reply 41 | January 1, 2022 10:12 PM |
Sue Ann: I just love what you’ve done with your apartment, Mary! Mary: But I haven’t done anything. Sue Ann: I know. That took guts!
[To Mary, upon entering her new apartment] I hope you’ll forgive me for not buying you a housewarming gift. I’m just waiting to see what you need most desperately. You’ve certainly left me an open field! Sue Ann: So I was jealous of her [her sister] when she was fourteen and I was nineteen. I’m sure it’ll be different now that we’re both thirty-five.
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | January 1, 2022 10:13 PM |
Murray: Being fired is like being violated! Sue Ann: Leave it to Murray to find a bright spot in all this.
| by Anonymous | reply 43 | January 1, 2022 10:15 PM |
Sue Ann:I was lying in bed last night and I couldn’t sleep, and I came up with an idea. So I went right home and wrote it down.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | January 1, 2022 10:17 PM |
Sue Ann:Mary, dear, I need your help. I'm doing a show today on single girls. The topic is, "What Turns a Man On." Now, of course, I have lots of ideas, but I thought you might have a few that I could actually say on television.
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | January 1, 2022 10:20 PM |
@r32, "You loved Mary. You loved Rhoda. But you wanted to BE Sue Ann."
Because Sue Ann was getting laid, the other two not so much
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | January 1, 2022 10:40 PM |
Gavin MacLeod always read as gay to me.
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | January 2, 2022 12:24 AM |
Sue Ann kicking the oven door closed with her foot was a classic.
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | January 2, 2022 12:25 AM |
r47: Originally, the character of Murray was supposed to be gay, but Brooks thought it would have been too risky. But MacLeod certainly came across as a bitchy queen with his acid quips to Sue Ann:
From the clip at r5:
Sue Ann: "Oh Lou, you're so thoughtful! How lovely! Just because It's my birthday, you don't have to go through all the trouble of going out and buying me a present. I'll do it for you!:"
Lou: "Will twenty dollars be enough?
Sue Ann: "Oh, twenty dollars will be fine!"
Murray: "I'll bet you say that to all the guys!"
| by Anonymous | reply 49 | January 2, 2022 12:50 AM |
Born-again Christian Gavin McCleod was probably gay IRL.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | January 2, 2022 12:52 AM |
I agree, but I think you may have to turn in your gay card, OP.
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | January 2, 2022 12:52 AM |
Loved that MTM "Lars" episode including the interaction between Betty's and Cloris's characters. "Phyllis" was always so pretentiously measured in the way she carried herself and spoke -- so that when "Sue Ann" really unnerved and flustered her, it was so much fun when Phyl finally let her guard down and told Sue Ann: "You're nuts!"
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | January 2, 2022 4:13 AM |
I've watched WAY too much television in my lifetime, but when asked my all-time favorite supporting character, my immediate response is Sue Ann Nivens. I think we even had a couple of DL polls. Sue Ann was always my pick.
(Second choice: Danny Devito as Louie on Taxi).
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | January 2, 2022 8:45 AM |
My favorite MTM/Sue Ann episode was when The Happy Homemaker was canceled and Sue Ann was forced to take one humiliating job after another, and there wasn't anything she wouldn't do. She begged Lou to hire her, so to get out of it, he promoted Mary to "Producer", just so she'd have to deal with the responsibility of whether or not to hire Sue Ann. The episode's last line delivered by Ed Asner was one of the funniest punchlines the show ever delivered. I'll let someone else post it. :)
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | January 2, 2022 8:50 AM |
^ Don't tell me... "I hate spunk"... No, that can't be it
@r54, Why don't YOU tell us
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | January 2, 2022 9:02 AM |
R5 Everyone from that show is officially dead now?
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | January 2, 2022 9:08 AM |
^^Yup. MTM and The Golden Girls at once!
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | January 2, 2022 9:09 AM |
Couldn't agree more. My favorite is the scene in a hotel bedroom when Mary and Sue Ann are on a business trip. Mary doesn't want to go out on the town, so Sue Ann threatens her with a nice long girl-to-girl conversation to find out "what really makes Mary Richards tick." They go out on the town instead.
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | January 2, 2022 9:16 AM |
How many queens around the country will be having dinner parties next weekend just so they can bake and serve Veal Prince Orloff.
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | January 2, 2022 9:21 AM |
Adored her as Sue Ann. So did my mother, who described her character as "nasty-nice."
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | January 2, 2022 10:01 AM |
Can you believe these backstabbing sluts, choosing Sue Ann over Rose?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 61 | January 2, 2022 10:19 AM |
I have an idea that when Designing Women hired Julia Duffy and wrote the Allison character that they were trying for another Sue Ann Nivens and it just didn’t work.
Betty was a genius.
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | January 2, 2022 10:30 AM |
"How many queens around the country will be having dinner parties next weekend just so they can bake and serve Veal Prince Orloff. "
Not me, I can't make a decent Veal Prince Orloff to save my soul
Also, where the hell do you even buy veal these days? I thought eating veal was right up there with wearing fur
| by Anonymous | reply 63 | January 2, 2022 10:38 AM |
This was my favorite Betty. Too bad Amy Heckerling cast that deplorable bitch whatsherface over her. Betty would have made a much better Dee.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 64 | January 2, 2022 11:15 AM |
r59: Sadly, fewer than you might imagine. The Mary Tyler Moore Show is much less remembered today than The Golden Girls. Is MTM even syndicated anymore?
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | January 2, 2022 12:21 PM |
The problem syndicating MTM is that the premise -- particularly the relationship between Mary and Mr Grant -- seems dated today, especially to younger generations. Also, while the show had incredible writing, it was short on production values. Visually it's just not a good show.
| by Anonymous | reply 66 | January 2, 2022 12:41 PM |
They'd probably cast Selena Gomez as Mary if they did a remake.
| by Anonymous | reply 67 | January 2, 2022 12:55 PM |
[quote] The problem syndicating MTM is that the premise -- particularly the relationship between Mary and Mr Grant -- seems dated today, especially to younger generations
They're not used to working without frequent vacations , mental health days, lattes, and free gym memberships.
| by Anonymous | reply 68 | January 2, 2022 1:35 PM |
^ Yeah, back then we just drank our crappy jobs away
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 69 | January 2, 2022 1:51 PM |
I know there are not many soap fans here (only a small dedicated group). And I generally dislike the soap Betty was featured on (Bold and Beautiful).
But she was fantastic on it. She played the mother of Stephanie (Susan Flannery), one of the few well constructed characters on the show, and played a dramatic story - we learned Stephanie was a huge cunt in part because her father had physically abused her, and Ann, Stephanie's mom, ignored the abuse.
Ann's disconnect and denial also influenced Pam, Stephanie's sister, who became a bit looney tooney and disconnected from reality in a more la-la-la I like blue sort of way.
She really could play ANYTHING.
And she won an Emmy. Deservedly (and it's rare to say that about Daytime Emmys).
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | January 2, 2022 1:56 PM |
^ R70, reading your character descriptions, they all read like the better years of ROSEANNE.
About Sue Ann: Was she ever a regular on MTM? Or was she just an often used recurring?
| by Anonymous | reply 71 | January 2, 2022 2:40 PM |
R71 Regular. I believe Val did more episodes than Betty though on a season by season basis.
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | January 2, 2022 3:00 PM |
[quote] Also, while the show had incredible writing, it was short on production values. Visually it's just not a good show.
Agree that the *office* set on MTM looked flimsy and cheap. But Mary's apartment looked great and was iconic.
Also, the GG house was better than the MTM office set, but I wouldn't say GG had great production values. Lighting was flattering to the Girls, yes. The GG house was really ugly, at times.
| by Anonymous | reply 73 | January 2, 2022 5:45 PM |
[quote]"Sue Ann" really unnerved and flustered her, it was so much fun when Phyl finally let her guard down and told Sue Ann: "You're nuts!"
R52. The actual line by Phyllis is: "You're bananas, you know that?"
| by Anonymous | reply 75 | January 2, 2022 8:07 PM |
[quote]Sadly, fewer than you might imagine. The Mary Tyler Moore Show is much less remembered today than The Golden Girls. Is MTM even syndicated anymore?
R65. The Mary Tyler Moore Show" is the all-time best show ever on television. MTM is less remembered now because it was on in the 1970s and time marches on regarding fashion, sets, etc. The reruns have been played a thousand times over, and after a while every show cycles out of syndication. But the show still holds up as shown by the many YouTube clips. They are hilarious. The cast is unforgettable.
The Golden Girls are on top of people's minds because it was a show on in the '80s and '90s. But eventually GG will too cycle out of syndication and the next generation will forget and wonder what the big deal was all about with that show too. But I still maintain nothing beats MTM. For great acting, writing, directing and overall consistency.
| by Anonymous | reply 76 | January 2, 2022 8:17 PM |
[quote]The problem syndicating MTM is that the premise -- particularly the relationship between Mary and Mr Grant -- seems dated today, especially to younger generations. Also, while the show had incredible writing, it was short on production values. Visually it's just not a good show.
R66. MTM was syndicated for years and years. In fact for many years in the '80s, its reruns played twice nightly from 7-8pm before networks' regular primetime schedule began at 8pm. And it continued to play in reruns for years after that. Every show eventually goes off the air as will the Golden Girls at some point. Regarding your comment about younger generations today, younger generations don't set the standard that make a show great. For the most part, young people nowadays don't even watch shows from generations ago, and as time goes on, they will watch even less. MTM still holds up incredibly well.
The acting, writing and storylines of MTM transcend the sets, which by the way reflect a sign of the times. MTM is a landmark in television history, and will remain a classic. The relationship between Mary and Mr. Grant is just fine. So she called him Mr. Grant. It didn't and doesn't matter. Mary did not play "subservient" even though Lou was her boss. She was a woman of her generation, and Mary was very much an independent woman on par with her co-workers and friends on the show.
| by Anonymous | reply 77 | January 2, 2022 8:31 PM |
I love MTM Show and have all the episodes in my library. But certain aspects of it simply are dated. The relationship between Mary and "Mr. Grant" is dated, IMO. Also, Mary making coffee for the office (because she's the woman).
The Dick Van Dyke Show was before my time, but I have seen episodes of it.
Part of the problem, IMO, was that, at the beginning of the MTM Show, Mary (the actor) was still sort of acting like Laura Petrie, the little woman. E.g., the crying / hiccuping thing.
| by Anonymous | reply 78 | January 2, 2022 8:37 PM |
I pulled out my set of MTM DVDs the other night and watched "The Lars Affair" in memory of Betty -- and Cloris and Ed and Gavin (all of whom also died in 2021).
Despite the sad occasion, it was impossible not to bust out laughing numerous times during the episode.
RIP to a cast that will never be equaled.
| by Anonymous | reply 79 | January 2, 2022 8:40 PM |
70’s tv just doesn’t hold up well. In 40-50 years none of those 70’s shows will be shown or remembered except for those antenna tv type channels.
| by Anonymous | reply 80 | January 2, 2022 8:42 PM |
R79, watch the "Once I Had a Secret Love" episode, Season 6. Lou gets drunk and has sex with Sue Ann. Lou feels horrible and tells Mary about it, but Mary promises Lou not to tell anyone. Of course, Mary tells Murray. Etc.
| by Anonymous | reply 81 | January 2, 2022 8:45 PM |
R80 Three’s Company is still hugely popular - even on IFC, along with Parks and Rec and far more recent shows.
Regarding MTM vs GG - 15 years ago (if were accounting for the time difference) MTM was already largely out of syndication circulation. And their DVDs didn’t sell well at all. Doesn’t mean GG is “better,” but it’s highly unlikely it will be forgotten in the same way. I’m sure it will still be popular in reruns 10 years from now.
Some shows are just more successful in that way than others.
| by Anonymous | reply 82 | January 2, 2022 8:48 PM |
MTM, I just rewatched the entire series, held up well. I like the simple sets. I was amazed that the show, 50 years later! Is still so effective and entertaining. The Mr. Grant still works because it reflects Mary’s upbringing and personality traits, awkward, overly polite, so I don’t find it offputting. Each character displayed insecurities which made the audience relate to them. Even Ted and Sue Ann’s egos showed their vulnerability. Love them, although I didn’t enjoy Phyllis as much as other characters.
| by Anonymous | reply 83 | January 2, 2022 8:52 PM |
I loved that scene where she has Murray in a wedding dress.
| by Anonymous | reply 84 | January 2, 2022 8:56 PM |
Wow -- you guys must all have cable!
MTM is on every afternoon for an hour from 2-3PM Eastern on the Decades channel, an OTA channel which may also be carried on some cable systems. I've been watching those reruns for a few years, now that I've settled into my Florida retirement.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 85 | January 2, 2022 9:19 PM |
[quote]70’s tv just doesn’t hold up well. In 40-50 years none of those 70’s shows will be shown or remembered except for those antenna tv type channels.
Which will be far more than you can say for a lot of these current shows, which thanks to these reduced episode runs, will never be that successful in syndication.
And yes, that includes, most if not all streaming shows.
| by Anonymous | reply 86 | January 2, 2022 9:20 PM |
I know this is a Sue Ann thread but I love Ted in the platform shoes.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 87 | January 2, 2022 9:27 PM |
[quote]Betty White was supposed to be Blanche. Rue was supposed to play Rose. Rue asked to be cast, instead, as Blanche.
With the original casting, Bea didn't want to do the show. She supposedly said something like, "Maude Findlay and Vivian Harmon move in with Sue Ann Nivens? No thanks!"
| by Anonymous | reply 89 | January 4, 2022 3:20 PM |
And yet Bea did essentially play Maude on GG.
| by Anonymous | reply 90 | January 4, 2022 4:02 PM |
MTM is in HULU as is GG. GG was a bigger hit than MTM. And Betty was a star on that show. She was recurring on MTM and only from Seasons 5-7 so she wasn’t known as well on there but certainly has an impact.
| by Anonymous | reply 91 | January 4, 2022 4:32 PM |
[quote]The Lars Affair is classic Sue Ann. That knee she gives the over door shutting it closed is all you need to know about the Sue Ann characters personality going forward. I don’t know if it was improvised or scripted, but it was a brilliant choice. Cloris won an Emmy for this episode. Betty should have too.
I think this was her first episode, what a great introduction to her character.
| by Anonymous | reply 92 | January 4, 2022 5:20 PM |
[quote] So she called him Mr. Grant. It didn't and doesn't matter.
I became an attorney in the early '80s & found that the secretaries were calling the much older attorneys - born in the late '20s to early '40s - "Mister." I found it archaic.
| by Anonymous | reply 95 | January 5, 2022 1:53 PM |
She called him Lou once when they were trying to be romantic.
| by Anonymous | reply 96 | January 5, 2022 10:42 PM |
Betty and Cloris reunited.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 97 | January 6, 2022 9:49 PM |
Mary also called him Lou after he hit Ted in one episode. She told him you don't deserve to be called Mr. Grant.
| by Anonymous | reply 98 | January 7, 2022 3:51 AM |
