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Why the hell aren't we talking about this?

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by Anonymousreply 71September 25, 2022 3:39 AM

I think IL has come up with the best solution for rising crime rates.

Simply change the definition of "crimes" and the number of crimes committed goes down.

So elegant. So simple. It will reduce arrests and convictions and more importantly, stop the madness of higher incarceration rates of minorities.

by Anonymousreply 2September 18, 2022 4:37 AM

The reference to Purge doesn't make any sense.

by Anonymousreply 3September 18, 2022 5:04 AM

[quote] There are 12 non-detainable offenses where the new law would end cash bail. The law includes second-degree murder, arson, drug-induced homicide, robbery, kidnapping, aggravated battery, burglary, intimidation, aggravated driving under the influence, fleeing and eluding, drug offenses, and threatening a public official.

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[quote] The Safe-T Act would allow criminals a pre-trial release for the crimes listed above. And if prosecutors fail to show “clear and convincing evidence” that the alleged could be a threat to a specific individual. Unfortunately, the consequences of the Safe-T Act make an impact on how fast arrested criminals must be dealt with. Because prosecutors would only have 48 hours to decide whether the alleged criminal should be released. Investigators believe that 48 hours isn’t enough time to collect valuable evidence from surveillance cameras, laboratory work, and forensic research.

Second-degree murder??? Robbery? Kidnapping? Arson? Aggravated DUI?

Are they out of their fucking minds????? 🙄

by Anonymousreply 4September 18, 2022 5:16 AM

Pritzker state.

That family is deliberately trying to destroy our way of life.

They need to go back.

by Anonymousreply 5September 18, 2022 5:19 AM

I live here and wonder how long before i decide to move. Fucking burrhead lightfoot and pritzker.

by Anonymousreply 6September 18, 2022 5:27 AM

I can’t believe kidnapping is going to be a fine

by Anonymousreply 7September 18, 2022 5:30 AM

R1, Illinois has always been mad. Chicago especially. 1,000 percent corrupt.

Another example of insane Democratic policies, worse than "Defund the Police".

by Anonymousreply 8September 18, 2022 5:37 AM

This is a TROLL BORIS thread if I ever saw one.

We’ve DECRIMINALIZED thousands of things you fucking TROLLS.

It’s bad for REPUBLICANS when the late night RUSSIAN trolls starting descending like locusts.

Ahahahahahahahaha

by Anonymousreply 9September 18, 2022 5:39 AM

Anyone who says this is a Purge situation is either fucking stupid or incredibly dishonest.

by Anonymousreply 10September 18, 2022 5:40 AM

[quote]Pritzker state.

No. DEMOCRATIC state. Watch another city and state go straight to hell because of these inane Democratic policies.

by Anonymousreply 11September 18, 2022 5:41 AM

Give them all a microchip, to track them. Then drones could fly around and find them.

by Anonymousreply 12September 18, 2022 5:47 AM

God forbid poor people not be penalized for being poor.

by Anonymousreply 13September 18, 2022 5:59 AM

How about just keep everyone in jail until their trial. No bail for anyone. Perhaps would-be criminals would give crime a second thought. We need to be tougher. Regardless of the race of the criminals. No free passes. No excuses. What kind of world are we leaving for the generation?

by Anonymousreply 14September 18, 2022 6:04 AM

R14, that would mean treating rich & poor the same. What a crazy idea.

by Anonymousreply 15September 18, 2022 6:26 AM

Many of you have not thought this through. Under the current system, anyone with MONEY can pay bail and be released that same day, no matter what the crime (with very few exceptions). That's part of our "innocent until proven guilty" legal system. Yes, they must return on their court dates, etc, but they are released - in some cases, their passports are confiscated (Steve Bannon, we're talking about you). This proposed new law only makes that system fairer for the people who don't have the money to pay bail. I think the presumption here is that only the poor commit crimes. Tell that to the lawyer in South Carolina who SHOT AND KILLED HIS WIFE AND SON to get their insurance money. Or to the professor at Northwestern who killed a man in his department just because he and his boyfriend were curious what that experience would be like .

by Anonymousreply 16September 18, 2022 6:39 AM

^ apartment, not department

by Anonymousreply 17September 18, 2022 6:40 AM

They LIKE that it hurts poor people. Cruelty is the point.

by Anonymousreply 18September 18, 2022 7:04 AM

Is that guy in South Carolina out on bail? That seems impossible!

by Anonymousreply 19September 18, 2022 7:44 AM

r19 Alex Murdaugh was originally released on bail, even after all the serious charges. However, as they mounted up and new indictments piled on, the judge increased his bail until he could no longer afford to pay it. (I think 7 million dollars with the last group of indictments).

by Anonymousreply 20September 18, 2022 7:52 AM

This will push people toward the GOP.

I'm generally happy with Dem policies, which are now bearing some fruit. Except crime. Rates of virtually everything have been skyrocketing in my city (especially car thefts, which have become astronomical) and the police are barely responding anymore. Dems really need a wake up call on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 21September 18, 2022 8:19 AM

To counterpoint you, R16, there is a well known car thief in Columbus, Ohio that keeps getting released. Almost immediately, he goes out and steals another car. He got into an accident a few weeks back and killed his passenger. Has been speedracing and almost t-boning people. Eventually, a pedestrian will get killed.

But the judge keeps letting him go.

It's fucking insanity.

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by Anonymousreply 22September 18, 2022 8:27 AM

It's because he's 14, and there's no where to hold non-violent non-suicidal juveniles.

by Anonymousreply 23September 18, 2022 8:40 AM

R22 "accidentally" forgets to mention that the car thief is a teen who is not subject to adult criminal laws, which is why he is released so often. He also forgot to mention that the teen's parents have gone public to try to get the police to actually do something about the kid, but the cops have twice now let the kid run off instead of capturing him. His family keeps turning him in. Judges and others in the system are trying to create new laws and rules so that kids who are that level of criminality aren't just let go immediately.

R22 wants you to read his version of the story and think Democrats are the problem and you should vote Republican about it.

by Anonymousreply 24September 18, 2022 11:56 AM

R22 But those kids are Emerging Artists! or Aspiring Rappers! They must be free,

by Anonymousreply 25September 18, 2022 1:39 PM

This is a fucking joke...right?!?

by Anonymousreply 26September 18, 2022 1:49 PM

This is the era for criminals of all kinds...from the streets, up to Washington DC. Really....what the hell is going on??

by Anonymousreply 27September 18, 2022 1:51 PM

I think some politicians need to be purged.

by Anonymousreply 29September 18, 2022 1:56 PM

Do the police have enough officers to go and find these guys when they don't show up for court?

That job used to be outsourced to bail bondsmen.

by Anonymousreply 30September 18, 2022 2:09 PM

The road to anarchy is paved with good intentions.

The justice system clearly favors the wealthy, but this sort of pre-trial “correction” is insane, and the people behind this legislation have lost touch with reality.

The Purge comparison is media hyperbole and ludicrous. The movie and the law are two completely different constructs.

by Anonymousreply 31September 18, 2022 2:13 PM

The DL Klan Grannies like it when people who steal a candy bar rot in jail for a year while awaiting trial and a rich murderer can sail away on his yacht.

by Anonymousreply 32September 18, 2022 2:15 PM

[quote]The DL Klan Grannies like it when people who steal a candy bar rot in jail for a year while awaiting trial and a rich murderer can sail away on his yacht.

Such black and white thinking. Are you a Republican?

by Anonymousreply 33September 18, 2022 2:24 PM

R32 That’s a false equivalency. When someone commits a heinous, violent crime, letting them go free pending trial isn’t the answer, either. Yes, many wealthy people are able to buy their interim freedom, but giving extremely violent recidivists a temporary get out of jail free card will only make things worse.

by Anonymousreply 34September 18, 2022 2:30 PM

If the article is correct (and I’m not assuming it’s correct because the Purge comparison alone proves it is garbage “journalism”) and 3 out of 5 people in jail have not been convicted, that’s very concerning. But what is the solution? It’s easy to say that nobody should be detained more than a month or two without a trial, but that just isn’t going to be enough time to conduct an investigation in many cases.

The argument that people with money can post bail and poor people can’t and that is unfair isn’t really even an argument - it’s a fact. It’s grossly unfair. But isn’t being able to afford an expensive attorney even more unfair? Would OJ have gotten off with a public defender? I think that’s a bigger issue. So if we are going to have unfair system that favors the rich anyway, I’ll all for keeping second degree murderers in jail.

by Anonymousreply 35September 18, 2022 2:33 PM

I'm assuming they're not going to release anyone charged with a heinous, violent crime with or without bail ... unless they're rich and white of course.

by Anonymousreply 36September 18, 2022 2:37 PM

Were the Dems THAT jealous the Republicans were getting so much attention with the Row v Wade overturn that they had to come up with an equally stupid law?

by Anonymousreply 37September 18, 2022 3:12 PM

^ & with less than 2 months to go until Election Day.

by Anonymousreply 38September 18, 2022 3:40 PM

Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot.

by Anonymousreply 39September 18, 2022 4:32 PM

OK, let’s not oversell the national implications that this law would have seven weeks from now. It is a bad law, but it is also very difficult to nationalize one idiotic state law if there are no attempts to bring it to other states. No one is going to run an ad in any other state complaining about this piece of lunacy in Illinois, even as a scare tactic, because no viewer would know what the hell they were talking about. This is not “defund the police,” which was, unfortunately, easily demonized and a gift to the Rethugs.

by Anonymousreply 40September 19, 2022 5:43 AM

[quote] Illinois and the new "Purge" law

I purge my bowel every 30 hours.

by Anonymousreply 41September 19, 2022 5:46 AM

[quote]Yes, many wealthy people are able to buy their interim freedom...

Who's the Republican, again?

by Anonymousreply 42September 19, 2022 11:29 AM

[Quote]Three out of five people that are in jail have not been convicted of any crimes.

Innocent until proven guilty + No threat to others = Freedom until tried and convicted

Yes, I can see why the world is coming to an end.

🙄

by Anonymousreply 43September 19, 2022 12:51 PM

This is a good law. It should be imemented nationally.

by Anonymousreply 44September 19, 2022 3:30 PM

How is this a bad law? Because people can't buy their way out of facing the consequences for their actions?

by Anonymousreply 45September 19, 2022 4:10 PM

The DL Klan Grannies want the browns to know their place and anything that gets in the way of that makes their panties itch.

by Anonymousreply 46September 19, 2022 4:12 PM

[quote] I'm generally happy with Dem policies, which are now bearing some fruit. Except crime.

And the border.

by Anonymousreply 47September 19, 2022 4:16 PM

You do realize that Biden dumped billions of dollars on local police forces? Right? If that's bad, then what's good?

by Anonymousreply 48September 19, 2022 4:17 PM

This will work out well. Check back in a few months when the murder rate in Chicago surpasses New Orleans. They'll be lots of hand wringing and concern about what to do. You know the way to hell is paved with good intentions don't you.

Rich people will hire security and live in gated communities. Poor people will be completely fucked.

by Anonymousreply 49September 19, 2022 4:25 PM

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.

by Anonymousreply 50September 19, 2022 4:28 PM

Yeah New Orleans is really fucked by the Republican state government. Just like Jackson, Miss and St Louis MO and a lot of Florida cities.

It's almost like Republican state governors don't give a shit about the people who live in cities and think they are only responsible to their voters and not to everyone.

by Anonymousreply 51September 19, 2022 4:32 PM

What does that have to do with Illinois, R51?

by Anonymousreply 52September 19, 2022 4:34 PM

New Orleans; Jackson, Miss; and St Louis MO are all run by Dems, R51.

But you knew that, didn't yiou?

by Anonymousreply 53September 19, 2022 4:37 PM

Any city with a large black population is fucked as that population committs 50% of the violent crime. There are many reasons for it but there are few solutions. One of the solutions is to keep people in prison while they await trial. Not a great solution but one that works.

I was involved in a horrifying incident yesterday that didn't make the news in NYC. When certain acts are not seen as crimes anymore the crime rate goes down. The problem is solved!

by Anonymousreply 54September 19, 2022 4:43 PM

Huh so state governors and legislators don't have any responsibility for what goes on in cities in their state? Or maybe you just think Republicans are only responsible to the people who vote for them?

How much power do city mayors actually have?

Or maybe you like to tell yourself fables?

by Anonymousreply 55September 19, 2022 6:45 PM

Republicans commissioned a study on bail reform.....and it proved that bail reform doesn't lead to more crime. Oops!

by Anonymousreply 56September 19, 2022 6:51 PM

I'm all for this. You could end up in jail for no reason just because of a lack of money. My white bf beat me up in late May. When the cops showed up, them white cops believed My bf's story about how I didn't let him out of the room and beat him up. Which is totally false. I'm a 5'5" chicano, him a 6'2" gringo..... Now if it was a cash bail program My bail would've been $20,000. Which I in no way have, I would probably still be in jail. . Thanks to the cash less bail system, I have to keep showing up to court dates and my bail would remain an I bond. Instead of actual money. Nothing really is gonna change.

by Anonymousreply 57September 19, 2022 7:19 PM

Right wing trolling? Sadly commonplace at DL. The users of this old site are beginning to show it.

by Anonymousreply 58September 19, 2022 7:23 PM

The problem isn’t with the elimination of cash bail — that’s been used successfully in places for decades. Judges aided by prosecutors are able to make assessments about criminal defendants and determine whether they should be held pending trial. The problem is this aspect:

[quote] Because prosecutors would only have 48 hours to decide whether the alleged criminal should be released. Investigators believe that 48 hours isn’t enough time to collect valuable evidence from surveillance cameras, laboratory work, and forensic research.

A 48-hour cap is way too restrictive and will cause huge problems.

by Anonymousreply 59September 20, 2022 3:59 AM

The OP is worse than Hitler.

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by Anonymousreply 60September 20, 2022 2:49 PM

[quote]The problem isn’t with the elimination of cash bail — that’s been used successfully in places for decades

I guess you see people getting out without bail and committing more crimes as a success story.

by Anonymousreply 61September 20, 2022 2:50 PM

What R54 said. Certain crimes that are quite serious are being dropped down in the severity...or not being prosecuted, because those crimes are being treated as minor offenses, not worth their time. So....this emboldens criminals, naturally. Criminals walk into a store, grab an armful of things, and just walk out....like it's nothing. No one does anything about it anymore. The brazen crimes, done in broad daylight....in a well populated area, is an example of how these laws are not good. As far as the percentage of crime rate going down argument...well, a lot of serious crimes aren't considered serious anymore. So...in reality, the crime rate is up, but a lot of crimes aren't put into the percentage. It's a false rating....and I think, a way to cover some DAs' and mayors' asses

by Anonymousreply 62September 20, 2022 3:16 PM

I see the Klan Grannies are out in full force.

by Anonymousreply 64September 20, 2022 3:55 PM

Racists love punishing poor people for being poor, even if they're poor themselves.

by Anonymousreply 65September 20, 2022 4:00 PM

They just love punishment. They're vindictive paranoid assholes.

by Anonymousreply 66September 21, 2022 2:53 PM

I agree that this doesn’t seem so bad. Rich idiots shouldn’t have special privledges

by Anonymousreply 67September 21, 2022 11:00 PM

"Pekau, the mayor of Chicago suburb Orland Park, calls the bill a “massive threat” and said Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot is “living in a fantasy world” in regards to crime in the city."

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by Anonymousreply 68September 24, 2022 4:18 PM

What R54 said was utter bullshit and easily disproved except for the fact that he offered nothing concrete; what constitutes a "violent" crime? What percentage of citizens makes a city with "a large black population" so? And if keeping the accused "in prison" keeps a city safe, why are these cities rife with crime when the criminals are being kept "in prison" while they await trial?

Cash bail is a direct descendant of the Jim Crow South:

[quote]Initially, cash bail tried to serve a reasonable purpose. By creating a monetary penalty for those who might flee charges, it ensured that anyone accused of a crime would face their day in court or pay the price. While awaiting your trial, you could pay a certain amount of money as collateral to be freed from detention, the money you would lose if you missed your court date. When it was conceived, America had not yet adopted its racist addiction to mass incarceration. Since the 1970s, when then-president Nixon launched a “war on drugs,” the cash bail system has served to unnecessarily detain and convict poor Black and Brown people and destroy lives, families, and communities.

The problem isn't that cash bail does not work. The problem is that cash bail has been applied unevenly, with black and brown people, usually men, suffering the most under this system:

[quote] Black and Latino defendants having a 10-25% higher likelihood of being held on bail. When they are held, the amount of their bail is twice as high as bail typically set for white defendants... in larger urban areas, Black felony defendants were 25% more likely than white felony defendants to be held on bail before a trial. That climbs to 50% if the defendant is a young Black male.

Our system of justice is founded on the principle that it is better to let 100 guilty men go free than to unjustly incarcerate one innocent man. And this works on principle so long as the accused is white. But due to institutional and structural racism, we see black and brown people held to account far more often than their white counterparts, and this is regardless of the type and severity of the crime committed. Cash bail reform is simply the logical opposite of imposing bail in the first place, and if law enforcement (and government writ large) wants to retain the cash bail system, then simply apply this standards without regard to the race of the accused.

by Anonymousreply 69September 24, 2022 4:58 PM

Purge law? Sounds like heaven

by Anonymousreply 70September 25, 2022 2:06 AM

It sounds pretty fair. Why should the poor be punished even more?

by Anonymousreply 71September 25, 2022 3:39 AM

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