Starring DL fave Logan Lerman, in all his twinky glory. It's officially out, I believe. Anybody seen it yet?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 226 | April 6, 2021 3:53 PM |
Watched a couple of episodes to see if I'd like it but not really into it. Lot of it is ridiculously far-fetched, like the opening sequence. Also, the timing of characters' ages seems way off. Jeannie Berlin plays a very aged woman in 1977 and Logan Lerman plays her grandson, who is 19. That would have made him born in 1958. In flashbacks to a concentration camp, roughly 35 years earlier, Jeannie Berlin's character is portrayed as a young unmarried woman. It is later mentioned that her husband died in the Korean War and her daughter died in childbirth. Well, to have died in 1958 giving birth, the daughter would probably have to have been at least 18, meaning she would have been born around 1940, but there was no daughter at that point. So not much thought went into the math.
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | February 22, 2020 3:03 AM |
Have you considered that's because the grandmother made up that whole timeline story? (I'm only through four episodes.)
| by Anonymous | reply 2 | February 22, 2020 3:10 AM |
Is there any male nudity yet?
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | February 22, 2020 3:19 AM |
Does Logan finally show us his twink ass?
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | February 22, 2020 3:19 AM |
Watched 1st episode tonight and loved it! Of course, I'm Jewish, so that might have something to do with it.
In love with Logan Lerman.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | February 22, 2020 3:32 AM |
Caught the first episode. I'll stick with it. It has promise.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | February 22, 2020 3:37 AM |
I’m kinda uncomfortable with the premise of the show. What makes it okay for them to go around and murder racists, taking mothers and fathers away from their children? It’s like saying we have free reign to murder all the racist Nazis marching with tiki torches in Virginia.
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | February 22, 2020 3:52 AM |
So far almost everything Amazon produced that I've watched has pretty much sucked. They do not seem to have the touch.
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | February 22, 2020 3:57 AM |
I’m loving it, though just started. I grew up the 60s and 70s so all of the cultural references hit home.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | February 22, 2020 3:57 AM |
R7, this is the way entertainment has been for decades. Where have you been?
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | February 22, 2020 4:05 AM |
R7 They're murdering actual nazis that were high ranking members of the Third Reich during Hitler's reign and are planning to take over America, not college students in MAGA hats. I think they're given a pass for the violence they enact against these "mothers and fathers".
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | February 22, 2020 4:09 AM |
I’m wondering how old R1 is. I’m loving all the old references - things like the subway cars of the 1970s; the clothes. Even just the yellow pages.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | February 22, 2020 4:29 AM |
How many people have you met who were in the WWII camps? I knew one woman from the NAZI camps and one from the Japanese camps.
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | February 22, 2020 4:39 AM |
R7 The writers sure know their audience though, there are plenty of groups online who're threatening this kind of thing against people who just believe the 'wrong' thing. In the long run these groups seem to just cannabalize each other and the scary thing is how easily the goalpost of what they think is 'wrong' shifts. Wouldn't be surprised if that's how the show ends.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | February 22, 2020 4:53 AM |
R15, the only way you could be more cryptic would be to be write in Hebrew.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | February 22, 2020 5:08 AM |
Is anyone’s else bothered by the opening? The figures move like checkers, which even on first viewing seemed wrong. But when chess was then an important element of the story in the first episode, it made it even more apparent that they should be moving in that manner.
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | February 22, 2020 6:04 AM |
Three I know of, r14. A friend's parents met in a displaced persons camp after the war. They had both been in concentration camps. His father was Jewish; his mother was a Catholic dissident. And my father's colleague's wife had been in Auschwitz.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | February 22, 2020 6:06 AM |
If they wanted to keep Logan Lerman’s character out of the way, why didn’t the Pacino character “help” him with college tuition?
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | February 22, 2020 6:20 AM |
Ugh, huge gaff. The black female FBI detective when examining the crime scene in the toy shop throws off a line to a colleague about how she’ll bet him a box of Kristy Kreme donuts. There were not Kristy Kreme donut shops in NYC until 1996. Even Al Pacino reading the script should have been able to point that out to them?
This is so weird considering if you are reading the X-ray material provided through Amazon Prime, which seems to go to great lengths giving context and information embedded in the show. How did no New Yorker working on this show over the age of forty not capture this mistake? And after bankruptcy there has only been one location in the city until this year when a new expansion is taking place. If it’s NYC when in doubt go with Dunkin Donuts.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 20 | February 22, 2020 2:40 PM |
I’m enjoying it so far. On episode 2
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | February 22, 2020 3:19 PM |
Ugh, another gaff. They show this Italianate three or four floor style bank building, but then use the Williamsburg Savings Bank Tower interiors whose windows in no way even begin to match up for that exterior.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 22 | February 22, 2020 3:52 PM |
A nice reminder in the Trump era, that people can still fight evil
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | February 22, 2020 3:59 PM |
r20, does this scene with the black female FBI agent take place in the 1970's? I'd be willing to bet there were few (if any) black female FBI agents then.
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | February 22, 2020 4:06 PM |
I think they got the major points correct
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 25 | February 22, 2020 4:08 PM |
R20 - I’m an editor & a New Yorker - I agree the Krispy Kreme donut reference is pretty inexcusable - there were enough people in the production chain that should have flagged that even if the writer was clueless (unless Krispy Kreme is paying for the mention - which is certainly possible).
However the mismatch between the establishing shot of an exterior and the actual set or location used for the interior happens all the time. It’s not a gaff, just the reality of limitations that all productions face - especially a tv show with a moderate budget. Most “gaffs” that end up in the finished show happen for a reason. I’ve moved scenes around to help story, but that’s can ruin wardrobe continuity — “If they’re paying close attention to the clothes, we’ve got bigger problems.”
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | February 22, 2020 4:23 PM |
It’s “gaffe,” people.
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | February 22, 2020 4:46 PM |
I work with images, not words. For a reason.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | February 22, 2020 4:52 PM |
I don't like the way this demonizes Nazis. Not all Nazis were bad people, most were victims of circumstance.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | February 22, 2020 4:52 PM |
That’s a joke right, r29?
If things get worse in this country, every MAGA asshole is responsible
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | February 22, 2020 4:57 PM |
Jesus christ, R29 just made me lose whatever crumbs of hope I had left that humanity is worth saving. Coronavirus, do your thing!
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | February 22, 2020 5:46 PM |
R24, the scene with the Krispy Kreme gaffE takes place in 1977.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | February 22, 2020 6:26 PM |
After a lifetime of only seeing Carol Kane do schtick from the Muppet Movie, Taxi, and on to Kimmy Schmidt it is a revelation to see that she can actually act and do so incredibly. She deserves awards nominations for her work here and I hope she gets them.
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | February 22, 2020 7:54 PM |
Episode 1 is great, Episode 2 seems to go off the rails with an entirely different feel and vibe. It almost feels like they ordered a pilot and then after viewing it, Amazon said, "add some flashes of comedy and cuteness."
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | February 22, 2020 9:41 PM |
So the kid is supposed to be some sort of a mystic or cypher who sees meaning in random numbers? How convenient!
| by Anonymous | reply 35 | February 22, 2020 10:08 PM |
I didn't know Carol Kane was in this. I love her. Maybe I will watch. I mean I have Prime. It's not like I'll have to pay to see it.
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | February 22, 2020 10:53 PM |
[quote] [R7] They're murdering actual nazis that were high ranking members of the Third Reich during Hitler's reign and are planning to take over America, not college students in MAGA hats.
And how do you think those “actual nazis” started out, exactly? How many Heather Heyers are we supposed to endure before we can kill our own nazis?
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | February 22, 2020 11:02 PM |
R29 You don't know the difference between an ordinary member of the german army (Wehrmacht), who you could maybe argue that for, and a Nazi do you?
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | February 22, 2020 11:44 PM |
Was there some sort of significance with the Farrah Fawcett TV Guide in episode 1? Three different characters had it, and the camera lingered on it. It was odd. I got it. We're in the 1970s.
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | February 22, 2020 11:46 PM |
R37 I'm on your side, idiot. I was saying that the characters in the show weren't assassinating innocent victims of circumstance, they were assassinating genuine high ranking members of the Third Reich. Don't go after me, go after the asshole defending Nazis.
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | February 22, 2020 11:55 PM |
[quote]After a lifetime of only seeing Carol Kane do schtick from the Muppet Movie, Taxi, and on to Kimmy Schmidt it is a revelation to see that she can actually act and do so incredibly. She deserves awards nominations for her work here and I hope she gets them.
She is absolutely, positively, [bold]AMAZING[/bold] in the second half of the series. Hopefully she gets recognized. She honestly brought me to tears and I haven't cried since 1989.
[quote]Is anyone’s else bothered by the opening? The figures move like checkers, which even on first viewing seemed wrong.
They're just showing you the players in the story and their positions relative to the story?
| by Anonymous | reply 41 | February 23, 2020 12:07 AM |
I’m glad they killed the fat friend in episode 4. He was a distraction. I recall there were few fat people in the 1970s. Especially fat kids. There might typically be one or two in a class of 100. Usually they were treated like a cross between having cooties, and being less than.
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | February 23, 2020 2:42 AM |
[quote] R29: I don't like the way this demonizes Nazis. Not all Nazis were bad people, most were victims of circumstance.
If you said “Germans”, instead of “NAZIs”, then your point would be arguable. Very few people in Germany were actually in the Nazi party. I think it was like 3%. They were mostly all the worst of humanity. Some were businessmen who thought membership would help there business prospects. They really didn’t need to join, so I wouldn’t actually call these people “not bad”, either. The SS were an elite force within the Nazi party. They were worse than the average Nazi and were targeted for retribution by many at the end of the war.
| by Anonymous | reply 43 | February 23, 2020 2:50 AM |
Re: episode 1, as someone a few years older than Logan's character who grew up in North Jersey, I don't remember Dennis' brand of casual anti-Semitism still being in existence in 1977. That seemed more common a generation earlier, at least according to the drama, history, and literature to which I was exposed. I'd heard about it, but was never exposed to it.
Of course, my neighborhood was equal parts Irish, Italian, and Jewish.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | February 23, 2020 2:54 AM |
The “good German” was a fiction created at the end of the war, recognizing that the allies couldn’t imprison an entire country, though the Soviets sure tried. And in the hopes of rehabilitating them, which generations later, seems to have been effective. The German people today recognize their war-guilt and holocaust-guilt, and have a large peace movement that was very active during the Cold War.
Let’s not forget that the Nazis were initially democratically elected. At the time, the country was in turmoil with street thugs fighting for control, notably the Nazis and Communists. Sections of the country broke away into pre-unification states, only to descend into anarchy. Some thought the Nazis were necessary to restore order.
That said, the culture was notoriously anti-Semitic. Hitler was initially mobbed by adoring crowds. The rather small Gestapo could not have functioned without voluntary assistance from the public, seeking revenge on some, and seeking to seize assets from others. And the Nazis were unnecessarily cruel. It’s hard to imagine how the regime could have established itself without the cooperation and tacit approval of the public.
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | February 23, 2020 3:02 AM |
Now, what it’s America’s excuse for its recent descent into fascism? It has a functioning and well established government, one of the oldest in the world. No one is starving, people live far better lives that they did 50 years ago. None of this was true of pre-Nazi Germany, incidentally. When my grandfather emigrated to America, he was literally dirt poor, and that wasn’t uncommon. It’s one of the reasons American has so many German descendants.
If Trump gets a second term, it will be a dangerous time for America and it’s people. And it will end in tears. So be active this year, as if your life depended on it.
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | February 23, 2020 3:09 AM |
I'm up to episode 9, am enjoying the series
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | February 23, 2020 4:05 AM |
I loved it. Loved the twist, and loved the set up for S2.
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | February 23, 2020 4:06 AM |
Just realized that Tim Daly's son, "Sam Daly" VERY briefly plays "Ron Davis" the other secretly gay FBI agent and friend to Millie Morris on the show.
If the show comes back I could see him returning (based upon the ending) since as far as we can see, he proved that he was one of the only ones she could actually trust with her secrets.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 49 | February 23, 2020 4:22 AM |
It’s depictions of the Nazi camps is believable and stark.
The current day is equally good, though you have to make allowances for the scooby-squad genre. They are all all like this and hard to seamlessly weave it into an otherwise realistic and serious storyline. I think they do a good job with it.
And I love the 1970s detail. Not just cars, fashion, and music but things like phone books, the decrepit subway - yes, it really did look that way. People were afraid to ride, even during the day.
I love this genre and the guys are hot.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | February 23, 2020 4:24 AM |
What is the Asian guy’s connection to the group? The rest of them are Jewish, I think. But I can’t figure-out why he’d want in, or why he’d be accepted.
P.s. I think Jonah is Pacino‘s character’s grandson. We’ll see.
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | February 23, 2020 4:31 AM |
[quote] I’m an editor
And yet you spelled "gaffe" incorrectly!
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | February 23, 2020 4:33 AM |
People are trashing it. It's interesting that people consistently seem to have a problem with media portraying the Jewish struggle or the Holocaust. And in recent years people have even gotten upset about the fact that Jews are the ones always referenced when discussing victims of the Holocaust and claim that blacks and disabled people had it worse in Nazi Germany. It's shit like this that is the reason Neo-Nazism is on the rise and why fascism is making a return.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 53 | February 23, 2020 4:35 AM |
Also, movies shouldn’t try to be all things. This is a Jewish story, so of course it’s not about Black people!
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | February 23, 2020 4:42 AM |
This show is a giant hit for Amazon.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | February 23, 2020 4:42 AM |
What is the untitled book they’re all reading? Is it Mein Kamph?
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | February 23, 2020 4:48 AM |
Travis reminds me of Todd from Breaking Bad
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | February 23, 2020 5:31 AM |
Just found another gaffE. Jonah's friend mentions going to "Oneonta SUNY." First off, usually SUNY goes before the city name, but also in this time frame, I believe most called it "Oneonta State" and it was also called "SUCO" later on.
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | February 23, 2020 4:21 PM |
I like that it's really 1 hour long...many shows are only 45 min
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | February 23, 2020 7:19 PM |
R60 Most shows today, especially ones that are streaming originals, have hour long episodes. Honestly I'm kind of against it, an hour is a really long time to devote yourself to a television show. I've noticed that most media is just becoming longer in running time. Most movies are 2 hours long now, most TV episodes are an hour each, etc etc. It's exhausting.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | February 23, 2020 7:27 PM |
Just watched it...good show!
Are they making season 2?
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | February 23, 2020 9:19 PM |
You're right R29 -- there were good people on both sides.
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | February 23, 2020 9:29 PM |
Just finished it. Sweet God, how many sharks did the last two episodes jump?! It was horrible. It started off strong and went downhill and then just plunged off a cliff...although maybe the better analogy is that it plunged off a bridge. What a disaster.
Can't believe how much he looks like his (handsome) dad, R49. Have loved Tim Daly in everything I've ever seen him in.
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | February 23, 2020 9:39 PM |
Please spoil the ending for us. What was the big twist? Was Pacino Lerman's father or grandfather?
Of course, mark it as SPOILER.
| by Anonymous | reply 66 | February 23, 2020 10:14 PM |
[quote] R17: Is anyone’s else bothered by the opening? The figures move like checkers, which even on first viewing seemed wrong. But when chess was then an important element of the story in the first episode, it made it even more apparent that they should be moving in that manner.
R17, they seem to move like pawns, no?
| by Anonymous | reply 68 | February 23, 2020 10:19 PM |
r65, I just finished it and I couldn't agree more. I only binged it because I'm stuck inside battling a bad cold. Everyone, DON"T WASTE YOUR TIME!
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | February 23, 2020 11:21 PM |
Spoil it for us. What happens? I watched two episodes, but I'm just not that invested in it.
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | February 23, 2020 11:43 PM |
I thought the first episode was decent, but the second episode is truly awful. I’m giving up on it.
| by Anonymous | reply 71 | February 23, 2020 11:59 PM |
Agree, R71-the cartoonish segments that are supposed to be explanatory just come off as crass and take viewers right over the story. I'm also having a hard time with Pacino's horrible accent.
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | February 24, 2020 12:16 AM |
Jeeze, it was excellent! maybe you had the live through the 1970s?
| by Anonymous | reply 73 | February 24, 2020 12:27 AM |
R73, some of us who don’t like it did live through the 70s. What bothers me are the wildly changing tones.
| by Anonymous | reply 74 | February 24, 2020 12:28 AM |
People who are actually watching the show and commenting on social media are flipping for it. You’re not alone, R73.
| by Anonymous | reply 75 | February 24, 2020 12:29 AM |
I love it. It’s very much a commentary on current affairs
It actually might be a weird warning to the powers that be
| by Anonymous | reply 76 | February 24, 2020 2:16 AM |
I can't deal with the promo for this in which "Get Down Tonight" plays while Al Pacino rails against Nazis. What's the message -- "This is a fun, sexy show about the Holocaust"?
| by Anonymous | reply 77 | February 24, 2020 2:38 AM |
[quote]People who are actually watching the show and commenting on social media are flipping for it. You’re not alone, [R73].
One of the main problems is that a lot of the issues people seem to have with the show (especially reviewers) are resolved or explained by the last half of the show.
There was a reviewer talking about how insane it is to have a nun character and that people shouldn't question it and I was thinking -- because you didn't actually watch more than the first three episodes or else you'd know exactly what's going on there.
Also the tone goes from jocular and comic"booky" to serious once the Hunters start questioning what they're doing and main characters die.
Jonah (the main character) no longer sees things as "fun" so the entire show shifts in that direction.
Even a few of the the things people have issues with in this thread because they think they have an idea what's going on in the show from the first few episodes -- are not actually what's going on in the show .... but unless they stick around they'll never find out those answers. That's not their fault though. You have to be aware of these things when writing a show.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 78 | February 24, 2020 5:17 AM |
I wish I could go back and not have watched it. It becomes such a cartoon in the last two episodes—aargh, what a waste of time.
| by Anonymous | reply 79 | February 24, 2020 5:17 AM |
That chicken soup looked good. I want some!
| by Anonymous | reply 80 | February 24, 2020 5:19 AM |
I'm currently loving it. Logan Lerman is a great actor. I had no idea. I just thought he was some flavor of the week twink DL went nuts for. This kid has serious talent.
| by Anonymous | reply 81 | February 24, 2020 5:26 AM |
what is his age in real life? I thought he looked much older in some scenes...really bad eye bags..
| by Anonymous | reply 82 | February 24, 2020 5:29 AM |
He's 28, R82 and has been running around with a beard lately.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 83 | February 24, 2020 5:31 AM |
R78 From the write ups I read, the reviewers were only given the first five episodes and I think you made some valid points. As per his real age, this is the second time this month, the other being Connor Jessup, where I was anticipating the actors to be to old to be playing teens, yet it didn’t end up bothering me and for the most part I bought it. Lerman has an incredible capacity to convey vulnerability that served him well in Wallflower and does again here too, which made him all the more believable as much younger.
| by Anonymous | reply 84 | February 24, 2020 5:53 AM |
Does he show any skin in this?
| by Anonymous | reply 85 | February 24, 2020 6:15 AM |
Not that I recall, r85. Not so much as a chest or pit hair.
| by Anonymous | reply 86 | February 24, 2020 11:10 AM |
How do you have Jonno Davies in this and not have him take off his shirt, madness
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 87 | February 24, 2020 12:35 PM |
I will agree that the lack of nudity hurts the show. It's weird to see a show that's direct-to-streaming and is already rated TV-MA for extreme violence not show us so much as one shot of Logan's ass.
| by Anonymous | reply 88 | February 24, 2020 2:08 PM |
That's because Lerman has neither chest nor ass worth seeing.
| by Anonymous | reply 90 | February 24, 2020 3:15 PM |
I saw episode 1 and it was more violent than I expected buti will try Episode 2. Al Pacino’s accent though... cringey. Ill probably stick with it so i can see Carol Kane.
| by Anonymous | reply 91 | February 24, 2020 3:17 PM |
I have to be the only person who finds Carol Kane insanely annoying. Everything she does is over the top. I can't stomach watching her googley-eyed, scenery-chewing performances.
| by Anonymous | reply 92 | February 24, 2020 3:21 PM |
r92 I loved her in this. I don't think I've seen her in anything else in decades.
| by Anonymous | reply 93 | February 24, 2020 3:27 PM |
R92 I agree with you 100%, which is why I posted R33 about how amazing she is in this, and it sounds like you may not have watched it yet so I urge you to give it a chance. Playing a holocaust survivor I think has forced her to another level, even when there are brief flashes of intentional schtick in this she doesn’t revert back to that character she usually plays. She really deserves recognition for this and even for the most part disappears into the role that you don’t see her as the actress, but a heartbreaking character.
| by Anonymous | reply 94 | February 24, 2020 3:31 PM |
Kane is mostly known for her comedy, but she's been very good in less zany roles. She was great in those When A Stranger Calls movies playing a normal everyday woman being terrorized by a psycho.
| by Anonymous | reply 95 | February 24, 2020 6:31 PM |
R81, Logan is the real deal and has been all along, even as a kid on the TV show Jack and Bobby. He was compelling in 3:10 to Yuma and The Perks of Being a Wallflower and Indignation. He reminds me a lot of Christian Bale in a way. He really should have a great career ahead of him as well.
| by Anonymous | reply 96 | February 25, 2020 12:08 AM |
I should have added that, even with all of that talent, he can't save this dreck. I completely agree with R69 that, once I made it to the end, I wished that I could get all of the time back.
| by Anonymous | reply 97 | February 25, 2020 12:10 AM |
I've watched the first two episodes and, I think, that's enough for me. Jonah is just too stupid. How could any Jew be so stupid about how dangerous Nazis were? Even if his safta didn't tell him her personal story, he had to have learned from other sources. And he's supposed to be some sort of genius? It's just too annoying.
| by Anonymous | reply 98 | February 25, 2020 1:39 AM |
I enjoyed it throughly. Pacino surprised me because I thought his acting was actually good. He’s been doing shit-work for a number of years, now. I might watch it again.
| by Anonymous | reply 99 | February 25, 2020 2:04 AM |
There is dialog? I just keep looking at Logan and wanting to breed him.
| by Anonymous | reply 100 | February 25, 2020 2:11 AM |
I actually loved the ending. Without given any spoilers away, found it totally believable
| by Anonymous | reply 101 | February 25, 2020 2:16 AM |
[quote] Also, the timing of characters' ages seems way off. Jeannie Berlin plays a very aged woman in 1977 and Logan Lerman plays her grandson, who is 19. That would have made him born in 1958. In flashbacks to a concentration camp, roughly 35 years earlier, Jeannie Berlin's character is portrayed as a young unmarried woman. It is later mentioned that her husband died in the Korean War and her daughter died in childbirth. Well, to have died in 1958 giving birth, the daughter would probably have to have been at least 18, meaning she would have been born around 1940, but there was no daughter at that point. So not much thought went into the math.
It would have made more sense for her to be his mother. She could have been a teenager in the camps, gotten married in the 50s, had a kid in 1958, and been a 50 year old woman when she was killed in 1977.
The writers are forgetting how long ago 1977 is — Holocaust survivors weren’t all grandparents then.
| by Anonymous | reply 102 | February 25, 2020 2:20 AM |
Hope Kane gets an Emmy nom for this. Her performance is searing.
| by Anonymous | reply 104 | February 25, 2020 2:21 AM |
I liked Jeannie Berlin, too. I'm glad her character was present throughout.
| by Anonymous | reply 105 | February 25, 2020 2:31 AM |
The same aging issue goes for Pacino’s character ... he should be more like 60, not pushing 80.
| by Anonymous | reply 106 | February 25, 2020 2:32 AM |
It’s awful, I gave up after three episodes.
| by Anonymous | reply 107 | February 25, 2020 2:33 AM |
Interesting, here is the May 1977 TV Guide commercial for the one with Farrah Fawcett on the cover, which they show at the end. Instead of being a full on headshot it is actually three images of her. Obviously they doctored theirs to make the visual impact stronger and it looked very much like the iconic poster image, which worked to create instant recognition.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 108 | February 25, 2020 2:50 AM |
[quote]After a lifetime of only seeing Carol Kane do schtick from the Muppet Movie, Taxi, and on to Kimmy Schmidt it is a revelation to see that she can actually act and do so incredibly. She deserves awards nominations for her work here and I hope she gets them.
She was incredible!
This series has called on actors to really show their range. Saul Rubinek, Josh Radnor, Greg Austin who was so dull and annoying in BBC's CLASS was so terrifying in this. I loved every second of this series.
| by Anonymous | reply 109 | February 25, 2020 5:36 AM |
Yes, for fear of spooking him I’ve been reluctant to mention Josh Radnor, but he does a commendable job taking the comic relief role and infusing it with heart. He, Kane and Pacino are doing some of their best work by being understated and in service to their character. Perhaps the directors and show runners should be complimented, the influence to dampen down so many scenery chewers and get great performances from them across the board must be connected to them. And casting must have seen a potential that was there, but not usually expressed.
| by Anonymous | reply 110 | February 25, 2020 5:55 AM |
R109, I was thinking the same thing. There were also so many wonderful older actors who were in everything that I saw growing up (I spotted Broadway's Chip Zien & of course Judd Hirsch) that got a chance to be part of this incredible cast.
| by Anonymous | reply 111 | February 25, 2020 6:10 AM |
*** Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler ***
For those of you who already saw the last episode and thought the last scene with the old man was not believable. I thought perhaps some of you were too young to know that it was commonly speculated up through the 1970s that he had escaped to Argentina and was living there. We now have proof that he did not. I think through DNA and dental records, IIRC. But some suspension of disbelief is necessary anyway as it is just a TV show, after all.
| by Anonymous | reply 112 | February 25, 2020 6:21 AM |
[quote]There were also so many wonderful older actors who were in everything that I saw growing up (I spotted Broadway's Chip Zien
Thank you for his name. I was trying to remember who his is. Chip is definitely a That Guy actor. I saw him in a ton on things in the past.
The series assembled a great team of old school working actors like Hirsch, William Sadler, John Noble, Kenneth Tigar, and Keir Dullea. And a great opportunity for Dylan Baker whose Biff Simpson gets to play such distinct personas.
| by Anonymous | reply 113 | February 25, 2020 2:40 PM |
[quote]Greg Austin who was so dull and annoying in BBC's CLASS was so terrifying in this.
Does Greg Austin star in anything? Is there anything in which he is especially gay, shirtless, dongful?
| by Anonymous | reply 114 | February 25, 2020 2:58 PM |
[quote]Does Greg Austin star in anything? Is there anything in which he is especially gay, shirtless, dongful?
Yes to gay, yes to shirtless. No dong that I know of.
In "Class" he played an alien who comes to Earth and quickly falls for a fellow student. Unfortunately there's only fan videos still up, not their actual scenes.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 115 | February 25, 2020 3:12 PM |
I loved the show and can't wait for season 2. Nice twists at the end there. Logan Lerman is simply gorgeous and a great actor. Catch him in "Fury" with Brad Pitt. Great movie.
| by Anonymous | reply 116 | February 25, 2020 3:28 PM |
R8 - Bosch is really good
| by Anonymous | reply 117 | February 25, 2020 3:41 PM |
r8 - I loved Transparent, not so much as a trans show, but as perhaps the best Jewish American tv show of all time.
| by Anonymous | reply 118 | February 25, 2020 3:48 PM |
Hunters is the only time I've seen Josh Radnor as remotely doable.
| by Anonymous | reply 119 | February 26, 2020 8:00 PM |
r119 Ewww...I thought he looked like walking gonorrhea.
Josh Radnor never topped his performance with NPH in The Paris Letter, doabilitywise.
| by Anonymous | reply 120 | February 26, 2020 8:21 PM |
[R115] As 'Class' is a slightly darker spin off from Dr Who aimed at young to mid teens shown on the BBC youth channel, there are definitely no dongs!
| by Anonymous | reply 121 | February 26, 2020 9:15 PM |
[ugh] Why do I always fall for that ffs?
| by Anonymous | reply 122 | February 26, 2020 9:16 PM |
R116, you really think there will be a Season 2? Not after those reviews. Amazon Prime will toss it onto their junk pile on top of that Matt Bomer Last Tycoon Season 1.
| by Anonymous | reply 123 | February 26, 2020 9:35 PM |
R123, They don't care about reviews as much as they care about actual views. If people watched it, it will be back with tweaks no doubt.
I tried watching Kelsey Grammar in The Last Tycoon and it was boring as hell. No one was talking about it and more important than that, no one was watching it.
| by Anonymous | reply 124 | February 26, 2020 11:18 PM |
Logan Lerman did a great job with average material. I realized he's more than just a pretty face. He can actually act.
| by Anonymous | reply 125 | February 26, 2020 11:58 PM |
Lerman's character is the dumbest fuckwad of all time. Can't follow orders, has the worst instincts, wastes time whining and wailing. Ugh. And while he's not ugly he's certainly not handsome and has no visible muscle tone. Don't understand the fascination with him.
| by Anonymous | reply 126 | February 27, 2020 6:01 PM |
I thought it was an interesting premise because there really were Nazi hunters in that era, and Logan Lerman is nice to look at, but it was just so terribly written and cartoonishly executed, I cannot continue. The accents are atrocious. The acting is inauthentic (sorry Logan), and the style is a rip off of Quentin Tarantino (who I don't like, but he's much better than this). I'm amazed Amazon green-lighted this poor effort.
| by Anonymous | reply 127 | February 27, 2020 6:25 PM |
I thought it was great! Sure, there are some nit-picky things you could criticize (such as the ages of some of the characters being out of whack), but as a whole, a successful endeavor, in my opinion.
If I have any real criticism, it would be those moments that I guess could be called "comic relief", which were totally unnecessary and certainly not in keeping with the seriousness of the subject matter.
| by Anonymous | reply 128 | February 27, 2020 6:40 PM |
This is Jewsploitation porn.
Has anybody here ever seen [italic]The Hebrew Hammer?[/italic]
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 129 | February 27, 2020 8:44 PM |
It's not faring well with critics.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 130 | February 27, 2020 8:47 PM |
A wider variety of critics on Rottentomatoes gave it 65%.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 131 | February 27, 2020 8:49 PM |
No way does it get a second season.
| by Anonymous | reply 132 | February 27, 2020 8:50 PM |
R129 I think I get what you mean. One needs to tread very carefully when dealing with an event as horrific as the Holocaust. (The Pianist and Schindler's List succeeded in this respect. Both films felt realistic in the horror portrayed and carefully researched.) The Holocaust flashbacks in Hunters feel exploitative and voyeuristic. I found it offensive.
| by Anonymous | reply 133 | February 27, 2020 9:00 PM |
I appreciated the flashbacks because even though some of the acts were fictionalized like the human chess game, real brutality, sheer inhumanity and horrors were inflicted on those in the camps. I want people to remember that brutality so people won't disregard this resurgence of anti-Semitism; so that they will know what unchecked bigotry can devolve into.
| by Anonymous | reply 134 | February 27, 2020 9:12 PM |
R134 As a Jew, I think that it's impossible to remind people and disassuage this rise in Anti-Semitism. The plight of the Jewish people is an issue that only Jews care about anymore. Those who are vigilant about social justice only really care about People Of Color, and everyone else can't be bothered. It's up to Jews to save ourselves and prevent another Holocaust, because when the new Hitler arrives everybody else will either turn a blind eye or be tossing the books into the bonfires themselves.
| by Anonymous | reply 135 | February 27, 2020 9:18 PM |
That’s not true, r135.
Wasn’t true in WWII, either.
| by Anonymous | reply 136 | February 27, 2020 9:37 PM |
R135 is right, R136. People have become so callous and sociopathic over the past two decades. They seldom have time for anything that doesn't affect them personally. Maybe a litt!e lip service, but that's about it. This is especially true of Americans, which is why we are not seeing large-scale marches and protests as there are in other countries.
| by Anonymous | reply 137 | February 27, 2020 10:13 PM |
The show will absolutely get a second season.
| by Anonymous | reply 138 | February 28, 2020 6:00 AM |
Logan Lerman should have played Oliver in Call Me By Your Name.
| by Anonymous | reply 139 | February 28, 2020 6:27 AM |
That could have been interesting, r139. I wonder whether Timmy would have reacted to him as passionately as he did Armie.
I would have liked Julian Morris, who I think could have played 26 at the time. And also Jewish.
| by Anonymous | reply 140 | February 28, 2020 6:34 AM |
I disagree R139. Timmy and Logan are too similar in type: pretty, cerebral, and rather soft. I like them both, but that would have been boring. Contrast is good. Logan could have played Elio though.
| by Anonymous | reply 141 | February 28, 2020 6:45 AM |
[quote]Logan could have played Elio though.
He could have. Yeah. But I'm glad he didn't. And Timmy did.
| by Anonymous | reply 142 | February 28, 2020 6:49 AM |
Josh Radnor as a Mossad hunk is so wrong
| by Anonymous | reply 143 | February 28, 2020 8:13 AM |
The surf rock rendition of Hava Nagila and and that exploitation asides are so embarrassing.
It reminds me of when in high school teachers would try and make Shakespeare “hip”.
You can picture the nerdy writers thinking about how cool and ironic their Tarantino homages are.
| by Anonymous | reply 144 | February 28, 2020 8:16 AM |
pacino is soooo bad.
he makes it unwatchble.
logan is hot but cant act.
| by Anonymous | reply 145 | February 28, 2020 11:21 AM |
R142 Lerman is what? 30? That would be funny. A man who looks in his mid 20s playing a 17 yo and a man who looks in his 40s playing a 24 year old. Believable? Um no. Besides, Timmy can act rings around Lerman, Sherman and Herman.
| by Anonymous | reply 146 | February 28, 2020 1:48 PM |
R41, you aren't kidding. Carol is amazing and had better be nominated for an Emmy at least. The entire cast is fantastic.
| by Anonymous | reply 147 | February 29, 2020 9:35 AM |
Logan is a fucking fantastic actor, are you kidding?
| by Anonymous | reply 148 | February 29, 2020 2:16 PM |
I find him utterly UNcompelling. In both looks and talent.
| by Anonymous | reply 149 | February 29, 2020 2:24 PM |
I really liked the first episode, but dear God, did it turn awful after that. I kept waiting fir it to get good again, but it never did. It just got sillier and more offensive as it went. The humor was SO forced and clunky and so unfunny. It really was embarrassingly bad. It makes you appreciate how fine the humor and seriousness were balanced in something like Inglorious Basterds.
I really like Logan Lerman. He’s a good actor and when the show was focused on his relationship with his safta, it was good. But his character, as noted above, was an idiot. It’s hard for actors to play characters who make unmotivated and out-of-character choices, so I admire him for giving it his all. (Although he looked embarrassed in that impromptu "Stayin' Alive" dance number. Poor thing.)
SPOILER ALERT: I always wonder why Al Pacino doesn’t get more shit for playing Jewish characters when he isn’t Jewish. Here, obviously, it works.
| by Anonymous | reply 150 | March 1, 2020 2:45 PM |
I have to admit I'm up to the bowling alley scene in the first episode and I have no idea what the hell is going on.
| by Anonymous | reply 151 | March 8, 2020 3:04 AM |
I'm sick of seeing the commercial on tv with them playing the song "Psycho Killer...qu'est-ce que c'est?" every 5 minutes
| by Anonymous | reply 152 | March 8, 2020 3:20 AM |
I'm up to episode 4. Some of it is silly but all and all I think it's a good series with an important message, especially these days. We are as close to living in Hitler's Germany now as we've ever been. We have Nazis parading the streets of America and a president who condones it.
Actually a better story for what is going on in our country these days was the original series V. It was ahead of it's time.
| by Anonymous | reply 153 | March 8, 2020 4:13 AM |
Wait for HBO's The Plot Against America. Now THAT'S a story that has real relevance given what’s going on in America today.
| by Anonymous | reply 154 | March 8, 2020 4:16 AM |
What the hell is this show? A Nazi hunter show? A comedy? A Superhero show? a Holocaust torture porn show? There's an animation fantasy sequence, a musical flash mob, a twenty year old hero who can't take down an eighty year old with a knife? A Nazi assassin who kills two with a bowling ball then bowls a strike, all in the first two episodes. This is seriously one fucked up show
| by Anonymous | reply 155 | March 8, 2020 10:12 AM |
r7 - They aren't hunting racists. They are hunting Nazi war criminals who personally executed thousands (and in some cases tens of thousands) of people. as far as we know the white supremacists in Charlottesville havent murdered anyone. If they do, they will be prosecuted in an American court. The argument given on the series is that there is nobody to prosecute these war criminals.
| by Anonymous | reply 156 | March 8, 2020 11:07 AM |
Emmys for Pacino and Carol Kane.
| by Anonymous | reply 157 | March 10, 2020 12:46 AM |
I wonder if Amazon is giving season one for free to hook people and will then charge for the next seasons if there are any. They do with series all the time. Fuck Bezos. I won't pay if they charge. I'm already paying for Prime and for the HBO channel. That's enough. For some odd reason they give you seasons 1-5 of Girls but you have to pay for season 6. Now I have it because I pay for HBO but WTF! The only seasons that are worth watching are 1 and 2. Season 6 and the way the series ended really suck. Watching it once is enough.
| by Anonymous | reply 158 | March 10, 2020 2:33 AM |
R158 No, Hunters is an actual property of Amazon, that is the draw for joining. They’ve never had an added price for extra seasons of their own shows. As for Girls, that’s most likely an HBO thing not to release the last season on another platform so they have the lure for people to join HBO Go and see the complete series.
| by Anonymous | reply 159 | March 10, 2020 2:41 AM |
r158, so far, Amazon has kept all seasons of its own series free for Prime Video members.
| by Anonymous | reply 160 | March 10, 2020 2:42 AM |
Thanks R159 and R160. That's good to know. I don't think I've ever watched a series owned by Amazon before. I think you're right about holding out season 6 of Girls being an HBO thing. Believe me, people are not missing anything if they don't see. It was a lousy season with a lousy ending to the series. I don't want to say too much and spoil it but I thought it was awful. I'm glad I didn't get HBO just for that.
I'm looking forward to The Plot Against America. I hope that is as good as what I've read about it sounds.
| by Anonymous | reply 161 | March 10, 2020 3:19 AM |
R161 Did you check out Man in the High Castle on Prime? it’s interesting that at the end of the series they ritualistically destroyed all the Nazi stuff, but they could have easily used it for this show as well. It was commendable what they did, except that just inflated the production cost for Hunters. I’m surprised we haven’t had a season two announcement yet.
| by Anonymous | reply 162 | March 10, 2020 3:26 AM |
OK "Hunters watchers, SPOILER ALERT if you watched yet... What's the deal with the Nun, is she, isn't she, or are they just fucking with us. Kinda hated the ending.
| by Anonymous | reply 163 | March 10, 2020 3:52 AM |
r163, I think she's part of a larger group from Europe, hence the hunting in Europe and obviously Argentina. Was Eva that much younger than Adolf?
| by Anonymous | reply 164 | March 12, 2020 11:54 PM |
Braun was born in 1912, so that idea that she would have young children at the age of 65 when the action takes place is only slightly less stupid than some of the other bullshit this show put forth.
Another bit of ridiculosity: the idea of Josh Radnor being a semi-famous actor who might be recognized (as he is, several times) being part of an undercover group of hunters. And if I recall, the killer knifed him at one point and then Radnor showed up next episode, seemingly unharmed.
| by Anonymous | reply 165 | March 13, 2020 12:04 AM |
[quote]I think she's part of a larger group from Europe, hence the hunting in Europe and obviously Argentina. Was Eva that much younger than Adolf?
SPOILER....they make it look like she is a double agent, my question is....was she? Yeah, Radnor was knifed in the subway blackout and fine in the office next day. I don't think Radnor pulled off the character.
| by Anonymous | reply 166 | March 13, 2020 3:03 AM |
r165= all those kids were clones of Hitler, she didn't bear the biologically.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 167 | March 13, 2020 3:59 AM |
When, I think it was episode 8, they're talking about the killer toxin, corn syrup, is that a reference to Reagan allowing Donald Rumsfeld to foist that poison Aspartame on America even though the science proved it it was at the very least a neurotoxin, before it hit the market like a bomb? I remember as a kid gumballs came in the mail, to everyone, it wasn't requested, and they aimed it at children. Once you tasted it, like the gumballs, and it made everything taste even better than sugar, you were hooked. I could believe that was some kind of plot because so many Americans have been dumbed down every since.
| by Anonymous | reply 168 | March 14, 2020 3:58 AM |
r168 what are you talking about??/
| by Anonymous | reply 169 | March 14, 2020 10:15 AM |
Pacino's accent is ridiculous.
| by Anonymous | reply 171 | March 14, 2020 4:53 PM |
Yikes, doesn’t bode well for season two, I hope Amazon does just to spite them.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 173 | March 15, 2020 9:48 AM |
I think the last half hour of the last episode basically killed season 2
| by Anonymous | reply 174 | March 15, 2020 10:33 AM |
The first hour of the first episode and the last half hour of the last episode were just about the only things I liked about this show. They had nothing to do with each other, though. Two completely different series.
| by Anonymous | reply 175 | March 15, 2020 12:18 PM |
I just watched the first episode of The Plot Against America, only one episode is available so far. It is fantastic! It is SO about fucking Trump and his cult members. Scary as hell as it is a carbon copy of what is happening here, minus a killer virus of course. It very much reminds me of the original V, which was way ahead of its time. It's worth paying for HBO if you can just to see this and then cancel it in between seasons if there is more than one. The acting it wonderful too. Even the child actors are wonderful.
| by Anonymous | reply 176 | March 21, 2020 3:27 AM |
"After a lifetime of only seeing Carol Kane do schtick from the Muppet Movie, Taxi, and on to Kimmy Schmidt it is a revelation to see that she can actually act and do so incredibly."
You know she was nominated for a Best Actress Oscar in the mid 1970s for Hester Street--a film shot almost completely in Yiddish.
I thought she was going to have an entirely different career.
| by Anonymous | reply 177 | March 21, 2020 7:51 AM |
Carol Kane is also the star of one the most iconic horror movies of the 70's ....I met her at The Broadway Cares Equity Fights AIDS Annual Flea Market and the DVD signed by her.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 178 | March 21, 2020 8:36 AM |
pacino is a joke,,,,,what a turd of an actor.
Lehrman is delicious......an ass to die 4 and worship till the hole is ripe and wet with fresh juice.
| by Anonymous | reply 179 | March 22, 2020 4:28 PM |
Hunters is a piece of shit.
| by Anonymous | reply 180 | March 22, 2020 5:03 PM |
Who's seen Plot Against America? If so what do you think? Does anyone know when episode 2 is coming out?
| by Anonymous | reply 181 | March 23, 2020 3:31 AM |
The novel and first episode of Plot Against America (I haven’t seen the second yet, which should be available now) are on an entirely different level than Hunters. Art Vs amateur hour.
| by Anonymous | reply 182 | March 23, 2020 11:07 AM |
I FINALLY got through this entire series, thanks? to the Coronavirus.
But I don't think Logan Lerman should have killed Pacino's character. Pacino wasn't a Nazi, he was just a conscripted doctor. I think he did mostly right with his life. What am I missing? What did Pacino's character do that warranted death as a punishment? He was doing good work.
| by Anonymous | reply 183 | April 2, 2020 4:52 AM |
[quote]But I don't think Logan Lerman should have killed Pacino's character. Pacino wasn't a Nazi, he was just a conscripted doctor. I think he did mostly right with his life. What am I missing? What did Pacino's character do that warranted death as a punishment? He was doing good work.
Wasn't he the soldier who made the prisoners play chess and made the real Offerman choose who would be killed?
| by Anonymous | reply 184 | April 2, 2020 5:00 AM |
I just watched the first episode, and the pacing felt incredibly slow. I'm surprised there's not been any discussion of the NASA scientist's condo. The bathroom had black tile with red grout, and black wallpaper with a red pattern. It was spectacularly hideous, and I just loved it.
| by Anonymous | reply 185 | April 2, 2020 6:31 AM |
No, r184. He was the doctor who humanely gave the real Myer a medical job, I thought.
| by Anonymous | reply 186 | April 2, 2020 6:55 AM |
[quote]But I don't think Logan Lerman should have killed Pacino's character. Pacino wasn't a Nazi, he was just a conscripted doctor. I think he did mostly right with his life. What am I missing? What did Pacino's character do that warranted death as a punishment? He was doing good work.
Pacino only signed for one season.
| by Anonymous | reply 187 | April 2, 2020 7:21 AM |
R185, I loved it too! I’m actually doing a late seventies retro job in my bedroom and that wallpaper is similar to something my decorator found that we’re using.
| by Anonymous | reply 188 | April 2, 2020 11:05 AM |
I was wrong. It wasn't The Wolf who held the chess game, he tortured Meyer because he was in love with Ruth.
Meyer relates the reason he was unworthy of Ruth: at Auschwitz, the Wolf forced Meyer to choose between witnessing Ruth’s execution or killing innocent men himself. He chose the latter — 11 of them
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 189 | April 2, 2020 3:51 PM |
This show was very well cast. I enjoyed season one, but I found the twist in the last episode to be soul crushing.
| by Anonymous | reply 190 | April 2, 2020 4:28 PM |
[quote]but I found the twist in the last episode to be soul crushing.
I figured out Meyer wasn't who he said he was early in the series - the hints just kept coming; and nearly stopped watching because I didn't want to see the reveal, but I'm glad I stuck with it.
| by Anonymous | reply 191 | April 2, 2020 4:30 PM |
R191, what were the hints? Honestly, I didn’t figure out the twist.
| by Anonymous | reply 192 | April 2, 2020 5:20 PM |
[quote]what were the hints? Honestly, I didn’t figure out the twist.
When Meyer implored Jonah to make the hard decisions and actually do what he didn't want to do. I knew it would end up with Jonah killing him. At that time I assumed Meyer would be taken by the white Nationlist and Jonah would have to kill them both.
Then when Meyer killed a person without asking the questions. And again when he killed another person without doing the normal protocol. By the time the banker asked Meyer how he made his money I knew he was a Nazi. Also, when the journalist said Meyer didn't help him and it was as Meyer had never seen him before.
| by Anonymous | reply 193 | April 2, 2020 5:52 PM |
Also when Jonah's Bubbie (can't remember her name) told Meyer that he looks different, and he said something to the effect of, "We all look different now".
| by Anonymous | reply 194 | April 2, 2020 6:52 PM |
I guess you are right, r184.
Pacino was actually the Wolf himself disguised as Meyer Offerman.
I got confused when Pacino offered his own defense, stating that he was just a doctor. I thought the doctor in the white coat from the Auschwitz flashbacks was different from the Wolf in his officer's gear. But apparently, they're the same person.
If Pacino was actually the Wolf, then I think Logan Lerman was justified in killing him.
But were doctors really put in charge of the concentration camps, outranking the military officers? Why did the Wolf have both medical and officers' uniforms? Who was the highest ranking authority over Auschwitz?
Either way, I don't think any doctor should have cooperated with a death camp. And if the Wolf was the highest authority commanding Auschwitz, I don't think he cared nothing for Nazi ideology, as Pacino claimed.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 195 | April 2, 2020 7:52 PM |
Well, Pacino's character is dead now, so he doesn't need to come back.
They could find another acting heavyweight to play Hitler, who they're positing survived WWII.
| by Anonymous | reply 196 | April 2, 2020 7:54 PM |
The big hint came when Pacino killed the Republican fundraising bitch they were interrogating before she could out Pacino. r182.
Remember she called him a "great pretender" and Pacino shot her before she could keep talking?
The other Hunters were upset by it because they felt Pacino ruined due process and their chances of getting more information from her.
| by Anonymous | reply 197 | April 2, 2020 8:03 PM |
This article brings up a couple of good questions:
[quote]How did no one realize who Meyer Offerman really was all this time? How did none of the Nazis he confronted recognize him? Why would Ruth not tell anyone when she discovered who Meyer was?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 198 | April 2, 2020 8:14 PM |
Is Meyer the one who killed Ruth? We never did find that out.
| by Anonymous | reply 199 | April 2, 2020 9:11 PM |
Meyer could have gotten plastic surgery.
| by Anonymous | reply 200 | April 3, 2020 12:14 AM |
I just turned it one tonight and realized that Det. Morris’ mother is buried just up the hill from my family plot in Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn. It’s a pretty location under some ancient elm trees. The plot is under the “I” in the caption, “I’m sorry, Ma”.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 201 | April 3, 2020 3:43 AM |
Meyer Offerman told Jonah he has surgery done. But it's one thing to have done enough to not look like your original self, it's another that you can look convincingly like another person.
| by Anonymous | reply 202 | April 3, 2020 12:04 PM |
The last episode went completely off the rails.
| by Anonymous | reply 203 | April 6, 2020 9:48 AM |
I binged the whole 10 episodes this weekend. They do take their liberties though the REAL story is interesting too. In essence he DOJ had a Nazi prosecution unit. The acts they did were excessive.
| by Anonymous | reply 204 | April 6, 2020 11:12 AM |
R293, the series is unique in that the scenes with re-enactments of the Holocaust are realistic and horrible, but the modern-day storyline is essentially a standard scooby-group superhero tale. So, it’s natural for it to go off the rails. You have to suspend disbelief just as you would with any Superman movie, or equivalent. I mean really, a Jewish nun who kills people?
| by Anonymous | reply 205 | April 6, 2020 2:40 PM |
Gawd, I hate r293 and fully plan to hate him even more if this thread ever gets to his post.
| by Anonymous | reply 206 | April 6, 2020 2:42 PM |
r206 is pre-empting her hate for the future.
| by Anonymous | reply 207 | April 6, 2020 3:30 PM |
I already had R206 on block/ignore. Must be a troll.
| by Anonymous | reply 208 | April 6, 2020 6:47 PM |
R208, I think that was just humor, but who knows? And I meant r203, of course,
| by Anonymous | reply 209 | April 6, 2020 7:24 PM |
I found it really annoying that they would drop Yiddish or Hebrew expressions every now and then as if they needed to remind us the characters were Jews. If someone doesn’t use these terms constantly and naturally, they would only use them at all for emphasis or irony. They would not drop one casually into ordinary conversation.
And I am the same age as Logan’s character and grew up in NYC. We used English words for our grandparents. Grandma or grandmother. I can’t imagine someone who doesn’t otherwise use Hebrew referring to “my savta” exclusively, even outside the family. And no one else is the least bit confused, even non-Jews. Maybe Ruth asked wanted him to call her that (though the Yiddish “ Bubbe” is more likely for a European refugee), but he would say “my grandma” when talking to anyone else.
| by Anonymous | reply 210 | April 7, 2020 5:50 PM |
Are you Jewish, R210? Even if, I think that’s very personal. People choose what to be called. And there can be two, competing for the titles.
| by Anonymous | reply 211 | April 7, 2020 5:56 PM |
Sarah Silverman uses "bubbie" in her routines.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 212 | April 7, 2020 6:43 PM |
Bubbe is much more common.
Yes, I am Jewish. Do many goyim know that Savta is Hebrew and Bubbe is Yiddish?
| by Anonymous | reply 213 | April 7, 2020 6:54 PM |
r210- my stepmother's parents survived Auschwitz and were called Bubbe and Zayde by all their grandkids, which was shortened to, "BZ"
| by Anonymous | reply 214 | April 7, 2020 9:31 PM |
[quote]Do many goyim know that Savta is Hebrew and Bubbe is Yiddish?
I never heard "satva" prior to Hunters.
| by Anonymous | reply 215 | April 7, 2020 10:42 PM |
It’s sav-ta, often pronounced saf-ta.
The question, r215, is did the grandkids refer to “my Bubbe “ when talking to people outside the family, even non-Jews? I doubt it.
| by Anonymous | reply 216 | April 7, 2020 11:22 PM |
r216, they absolutely did in my family, Like r215, I've never heard of "Savta", but the grandparents were Polish Jews.
| by Anonymous | reply 217 | April 7, 2020 11:37 PM |
I've heard "bubbe" and "zayde" since I was young. I'm from New Jersey, and I've always had Jewish friends who would talk amongst themselves in my presence.
And thank you for "savta" instead of "satva."
| by Anonymous | reply 218 | April 8, 2020 1:00 AM |
I just watched all of this. I found it to be a series that had outstanding potential to be brilliant, but spinning it into this Tarantino/Action Hero genre actually damaged it. I also don't like the fact they made up the chess game concentration camp scene. The Holocaust was horrific enough, without needing to splice in extra fictional horrors amongst reality. They only did that whole chess scene, so they could do that opening credit sequence.
As a fictional piece of television it's not a bad watch. But after watching it, I just feel so uncomfortable they have made a sensational action hero story out of such a truly terrible piece of not so distant history. Whilst films like Marathon Man have created fictional stories involving Nazi characters, they are not so all encompassing as this.
I loved the twist and felt that had the writers and producers taken a less sensational approach to this piece, it could have been brilliant. I also thought Carol Kane's story arc was exceptionally good. But I found Dylan Baker's Nazi character ludicrous. At one point, I was expecting him to shed his skin and a drawling reptilian alien with razor sharp teeth to emerge and spit acid in someones face.
Maybe I am being cynical, but I feel this project likely started as an excellent idea, almost designed to be a 10 hour film. The premise of showing how many Nazi's escaped capture and fled Germany. The story then going on to tell how both groups of Jewish survivors and the FBI (separately) sought to hunt these people down. Then somewhere in early development, someone has said "Yeah but younger audiences today will get bored if we just show them reality, we need to make it more sensational. Let's make them action heros and cartoon villains!. We can make the Nazi's do bat shit crazy things like murder their whole family in one fire of bullets, and have the Hunting Jews behave like a something out of Kill Bill".
Someone just needed to ask why it was necessary to make the subject matter more appealing to this type of audience!
| by Anonymous | reply 221 | April 12, 2020 10:44 PM |
The twist was truly WTF, I did not see that coming at all. Granted, it was more of a Tarantino type series so there wasn't a ton of realism.
| by Anonymous | reply 222 | July 11, 2020 7:01 AM |
It was highly entertaining I'll admit but the shit eating scene was a bit much. Ewww.
| by Anonymous | reply 223 | July 11, 2020 7:03 AM |
what other shows are you guys watching?
| by Anonymous | reply 224 | July 11, 2020 2:24 PM |
This is very exciting news, love her!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 225 | April 6, 2021 1:05 PM |
good, looking forward to it.
| by Anonymous | reply 226 | April 6, 2021 3:53 PM |
